Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Sirayn]

Vemynal - are you a clumsy finder? Is that why Far Dareis Mai got a warning that she was being investigated? ???

[Sirayn]

I actually can't find the previous game in which one player was an innocent vigilante with a regular night kill and his role name was serial killer. It wasn't a game I played in. Can anyone help me substantiate this?

[Sirayn]

I find it odd that Sira of all people would be requesting the healer to reveal, no information would be gained except for the evil team. It is too early in the game to start revealing everyone, as seems to be happening.

 

For the second time, I was referring to a guard, not a healer. I should think it's obvious that there is information to be gained from a guard revealing and telling us who he targeted on a night when there was no kill. There is no such thing as too many role reveals. If for example the guard guarded Vemynal and there was no kill, perhaps this information might ... help us decide who to lynch?

[Sirayn]

My role is Finder/Assassin (...) And for the record: I get to choose to finder or kill someone every night. If I have captain I can do 2 of the same action or I can do 1 kill and 1 finder.

 

Vemynal ... you're saying you could potentially have a kill every night? Just like a serial killer or ... a mafia member?

 

Why do so many self-proclaimed good roles have regular night kills? ???

[Dark Justice]

Well. We were told to expect the unexpected.

I am in serious trouble over who to trust here. DPR`s role sounds a bit too weird. Why would you come up guilty if you are innocent?

A finder/assasin role also sounds weird.

 

Hmmm.. Some serious thinking needs to be done.

[Talya]

I find it odd that Sira of all people would be requesting the healer to reveal, no information would be gained except for the evil team. It is too early in the game to start revealing everyone, as seems to be happening.

 

For the second time, I was referring to a guard, not a healer. I should think it's obvious that there is information to be gained from a guard revealing and telling us who he targeted on a night when there was no kill. There is no such thing as too many role reveals. If for example the guard guarded Vemynal and there was no kill, perhaps this information might ... help us decide who to lynch?

 

 

Unless the guard had just one chance throughout the whole game to use it's ability I would say it was the same as healer...what ever you call it. If we call out the healer and FDM is our finder we will lose both within two days, so tell how this is advantageous to us.

 

FDM - I got the impression from your posts that you thought he was an evil. I haven't the time to go back and check, but you did seem to be gunning for him.

 

I agree that there seems to be too many people with night kills, and finder roles.

 

Of course if there was more than one team, FDM may well be a finder, what she may not be is one for us innocents.

 

What if there are all right to some degree, but have elaborated on their roles, that too would be confusing.

 

 

 

[Alys Kinch]

Meh, I'm not concerned. I did what I had to do for my own reasons, no matter what people think, and it was for the best. The gain was potentially (and just so turned out to be) greater than the cost.

 

that's what concerns me. a means to an end is not always justified.

 

Alys first, because she is one to normally jump out in the pack,

 

i don't do it to jump out of the pack. i do whatever makes sense to me. stated all of my reasonings so that everyone could agree or disagree. i can't really think of a time when i have not done so. in this case, you even agreed with my reasoning despite my vote being for someone else.

 

Why do so many self-proclaimed good roles have regular night kills?

 

makes it sound like the innocents could harm us more than the mafia who can't agree who to kill...

 

O.k. so where do we go? Far claims finder/ sleuth. She claims I am innocent, thanks for the nod, but she could have gotten that information pretty easily by being mafia. She could have gotten it by her role. I can't say I am a great night one choice, but I can't say it was a bad decision. There are better though.

 

She also claims Dpr is mafia sk. I discount her knowing about the serial killer being a stab in the dark. That's such a lucky stab that... yeah. That still leaves both innocent and evil as options.

 

DPR claims that he's 50/50 evil on findering. It wouldn't be the first % based findering we've had. Being called an SK smacks of benevolent dictator... all but impossible. Still that's a connotation that we develop based on what we've been exposed to. Maybe we need to back away from the word odor being a bad smell and accept that it could be good. Maybe not. Who knows though? Maybe fair and balanced said that it was necessary. I lean more toward ilgross being in love with confusion. I know I've gone, "Wait, what?" several times thus far. *damn creative mods* :P

 

But I digress. On to Vemy. He's rash. He's somewhat odd. He likes the spotlight. He claims to have finder/vig. He claims our captain murdered our last captain but isn't explicitly stated as being mafia.

 

At this point, the question occurs. All of this is odd. But does it all have to be mutually exclusive? Is there any way that any of you can think of, without including personal views of the people stating the roles, that this must be mutually exclusive claims? The only way this makes sense to me is all three are in on the gag or they are all telling the truth with personal feelings sprinkled in. To me it's a big circle that makes sense when you boil it to the facts.

 

Far jumped on connotation. Ignores that the 50/50 might be true. Her case is that connotation makes him evil.

 

DPR suggests that we believe Far as well as himself.

 

Vemy suggests that we believe him that Far is evil even though his pm didn't explicitly say that she is. And even though she figured out that DPR is the serial killer.

 

See? someone else thinks so already.

[Sirayn]

I like your thinking Alys.

[Dark Justice]

Well. Alys sais it good. I dont trust anybody at this point. Least of all FDM & Vem.

[Alys Kinch]

I was hoping it didn't sound like I was gullible, but it does make sense that way. More so than all the factions. Especially since they all agree in a circular logic kind of way.

[Sirayn]

I don't believe that all of them are telling the truth - indeed, I believe it's possible that all three are individually evil and on at least two if not three separate evil factions - but I think it's important to consider it so we can make progress on nailing people down to evil teams.

[Alys Kinch]

at least two if not three separate evil factions

 

three evil teams? you are certainly using your flare for drama this go around.

 

DPR as his own team, I assume?

 

The mafia.

 

3?

[Dark Justice]

So maybe we should lynch DPR to get some answers? It is probably the action that would tell us the most, with the less cost?

Lynching FDM or Vem could cost us bad. DPR wouldnt.

[Sirayn]

Well, let's see ...

 

Vemynal claims to have the capacity to kill every night if he stops using his finder ability. So that's a potential one-person evil faction.

 

DreadPirateRoberts claims he's a serial killer. So that's a second one-person evil faction.

 

Neither of these have confessed to being the person whose kill was blocked last night. That's a potential third one-person evil faction.

 

None of the above are the mafia group. That's a potential fourth evil faction.

 

Am I really using a "flare for drama" here? ;)

[Sirayn]

Oh, and I forgot Far Dareis Mai, who according to Vemynal killed the original captain. I think that makes five. ;)

[Alys Kinch]

except that any of them could be in any of the other factions and vem claiming assassin would make him more of an innocent. making the word potential a very important word to pay attention to.

[Sirayn]

Why on earth does Vemynal's assassin claim make him more of an innocent? He's a self-professed assassin, he's going to say he's innocent whatever his alignment is. I don't find his claim any more credible than DreadPirateRoberts'. But I think I've demonstrated that three evil factions is not excessively dramatic - in my opinion all the indications are toward multiple evil teams.

[Alys Kinch]

we are back to the connotation thing again. you kind of latched onto that one too, though. if serial killer is hte evil version of assassin/vig... see where i am going?

 

i don't necessarily disagree with you, i just... it's less problematic to feel the other view point. i think.

[Sirayn]

Assassin is also a word that I understand to mean evil, but I assume that Vemynal means it differently. But the operative part is the regular night kill. That's classically evil and a very cheap excuse. Oops, did I kill four innocents over the past four nights? I'm just a misguided vigilante with a regular night kill!

[Toy and Minion]

Okay, people, 5 pages is way too much to sift through after school.  *sighs*

 

*goes back to read the 5 pages of dHoom*

[Kryos]

Sirayn, I have to agree with Alys, you are too caught up in the name conventions and such and how you perceive them. In all honesty, the mod could decide to call all the good guys mafia and all the mafia innocents just to throw a game into total chaos from the beginning. How you perceive it all isn't what matters really. Yes, you have your view and it could possibly be right, but then again, your view as well could be wrong. The only one who has the true say in what role goes with what team is the mod. And honestly, I see you struggling way too hard to try and make Vemy look bad while at the time, in my eyes, it is making you look bad, like you are trying to hide something, but in effect it is drawing way more attention to yourself.

[Vemynal]

Ok, first off I am JP Morgan and a capitalist traveling on the ship. I want to find the captain’s killer and it explicitly states that I win with the town. It then says I can’t talk during night (cept to ilgross obviously). It says I have henchmen and I can use them to view someone to kill someone. Slightly redundant but again it says I win with the town. Then he wishes me luck^^. And that was hard to do without quoting :P

 

Vemynal - are you a clumsy finder? Is that why Far Dareis Mai got a warning that she was being investigated? ???

If I am it was not told to me that I was, but considering the coroner for this game I started off considering that I could be a paranoid cop or a clumsy cop. Because I’m already half assassin I don’t think I’d be one of those but then again I need some handicap for a pretty OP role, so who knows =/. And yes, potentially I can kill every night.

 

Vemy suggests that we believe him that Far is evil even though his pm didn't explicitly say that she is. And even though she figured out that DPR is the serial killer.

 

It said she was found guilty when I viewed her, i'm going to pm ilgross asking if by guilty he meant FDM is mafia but I don't see how she can be guilty or the "evil action that begun the game" and not be evil =/. And I don’t necessarily like the spotlight, I had every intention of not role revealing till Wes told the healer to heal FDM.

 

Well, let's see ...

 

Vemynal claims to have the capacity to kill every night if he stops using his finder ability. So that's a potential one-person evil faction.

 

DreadPirateRoberts claims he's a serial killer. So that's a second one-person evil faction.

 

Neither of these have confessed to being the person whose kill was blocked last night. That's a potential third one-person evil faction.

 

None of the above are the mafia group. That's a potential fourth evil faction.

 

Am I really using a "flare for drama" here? ;)

 

Your scaring me at this point >.< but that’s exactly why I wasn’t willing to kill someone last night, if I hit an innocent and the evil team killed someone and fdm was actually innocent then that’s 3 innocents dead right off the bat. If you remember sirayn I also said yesterday just because there are 2 night kills doesn’t mean the captain is evil. Believe me yet? Also sirayn, it may just be ilgross’ wording but he did say the word “assassin” in my job description.

 

now vemy is a very confuzzled bunny =/

 

And it says I win with the town, so I'm fairly certain I'm an innocent.

 

And guys, if I'm evil then why in hell did I open my big mouth in the first place? its safe to say that if I was evil and fdm the finder then i was off her radar for the time being =/

 

/glomps kryos

 

peace  8)

[Toy and Minion]

Wow.  That about sums it up for me.

 

Has anyone considered that they may all be telling the truth?  If Wes comes ups 50/50 evil, than who's to say that the same isn't true for others or everyone, for that matter?

 

I believe that lynching Wes would be the lesser of the two (or three) evils.  However, I am reluctant to place my vote as of yet.

[Alys Kinch]

I suggested exactly that Dsage.

 

Also, as clarification, does anyone have an idea what the names are about? I am starting to have an idea, but I hate to say too much. I need to look some things up.

[Dark Justice]

Well. It doesnt seem like anything makes sence. Im willing to go for [glow=red,2,300]WES/DPR[/glow]. Lynching FDM is just to dangerous. If she really is the finder, we have lost a very important role. Am not convinced entirely that she is on the good side.