The Empress and her Chair.

[dmanmiller34]

I find it extremly ironic that the Seanchan Empress uses the One power, possibly without her knowledge, to compusle her subjects. Do you you think that Mat's Fox head medallion will protect him from it when Tuon takes the throne?

[Luckers]

RJ has stated that the main sequence novels will never go to Seanchan, so its unlikely we will see Mat in any encounter with the Crystal Throne. But as a pure guess, i'd say yes, the medallion would protect him.

[dmanmiller34]

It fleeting already went there with Rand and Aveinda in they're snow cone of love. :o

[Charlz Guybon]

Speaking of the Empress, I really would have liked to see her assassination. In my mind I see Semirhage traveling into the throne room with no disguise, announcing "I AM SEMIRHAGE" and just ripping everyone to shreds.

[Luckers]

Perhaps... though damane guards might make that interesting. Nah, Semirhage has control of herself, and no need to show off. My guess is that it happened at night, with no one being aware until they morning when they came in to a rather grissly display. It'd be then that Semirhage would likely have had the atha'an shadar move to take the city, thus stirring the civil unrest that followed.

 

And forgive me dmanmiller. I should have said that the story will never go there again.

[dmanmiller34]

If she had gone there She would have had to kill her away from the Throne. Otherwise she sould have been effected the same as everyone else. So if Rand will go there will the throne getr brought over to Randland? Becasue the teisted seanchan profacy of him kneeling to the crystal throne is still out there to be fulfilled.

[Luckers]

That prophecy is false. Ishamael made it up and inserted into Seanchan culture in order to cause disent. Aside from the obvious allusion when Seanchan think about the prophecy and how neither the one prior to the consolidation in Seanchan nor the one here referred to Rand kneeling to the crystal throne (and the obvious implication that that prophecy was therefore inserted when Luthair landed), we know it has to be theirs that was tampered with... after all, why would anyone on this side of the ocean go to the effort of removing that sentence. Or, for that matter, why would anyone have removed it on the other, and why would there be rumours of tampering there, yet not here.

 

Beyond that, of course, there is the fact that that prophecy conflicts with the real prophecy. Rand will bind the nine moons to serve him, and therefore will not be kneeling to the throne in any sort of submissive way, and since we know Rand will never go to Seanchan, he will also never be in a position to physically kneel to the throne.

 

So... false prophecy.

[Charlz Guybon]

If she had gone there She would have had to kill her away from the Throne. Otherwise she sould have been effected the same as everyone else. So if Rand will go there will the throne getr brought over to Randland? Becasue the teisted seanchan profacy of him kneeling to the crystal throne is still out there to be fulfilled.

Semirhage said she killed the Empresses on the throne and splattered it with every ounce of her blood.

 

Also, that's a fake prophecy, made by Ishamael.

[Luckers]

Semirhage might have just been bragging, or trying to be dramatic.

 

Also, theres a question ive been meaning to ask you for a while. What does IIRC mean?

[Cadsuane]

She might have been exaggerating, but I don't think by much. I think her goal was to cause chaos on that side of the ocean, and it would make a bigger impact for the Empress to be murdered on the throne, in a very bloody manner, than it would to kill her at night, in bed. A quiet nightly death still upsets the system, but would not scare the populace the same way, and could be spun into a less hysteria-causing event than a bloody, public murder, or public discovery of the murder.

[Guest cwestervelt]

If I recall correctly.

 

I had no idea either.  I just looked it up no.  http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=IIRC

 

Addition:

Semirhage can have been lying about the Emperess being dead for all we know.  Not saying she was, just that she simply making the claim could cause chaos among the return.  It would likely take a considerable amount of time to try and verify any such claim and by the time anyone got verification, it would be to late to straighten things out.

[Luckers]

Thanks mate.

 

And yeah, she could have been... though it might have been dangerous to do so... what if another boat leaves Seanchan. Semirhage can't watch the entire coastline of that continent. It would likely have just been easier and safer to really do away with the royal family.

[Guest cwestervelt]

Another boat arriving would almost add to the confusion.  Now you have conflicting stories going around and triggering all sorts of other confused rumours.

 

She probably did do away with them all though.  She needed to get her full entertainment from them and since they were no longer any use to her...

[Charlz Guybon]

Semirhage might have just been bragging, or trying to be dramatic.

 

Also, theres a question ive been meaning to ask you for a while. What does IIRC mean?

If I Recall Correctly.

 

I can't imagine she made that story up. It makes perfect sense for her to have done what she claims. This way there is no possibility of Seanchan reinforcements participating in the last battle.

[Luckers]

But it might add to the confusion in a way that see's Semirhage's puppet dead, and Semirhage out of power.

 

And thanks Charlz. I is compooter eleeterite.

 

Too much?

[Silver]

I was so sad when I read that part. And I believe Semirage did do as she claimed and killed her on the Throne. The throne itself isn't that big a deal. It just inspires awe in a person, and you can still kill  a person while feeling awe.

[Guest cwestervelt]

I never trust anything the Forsaken say.  Rather, I look at their words from the perspective of what they might think to gain from that particular lie.  If I can't see any potential gain from it being a lie, then I might consider it as legitimate.

 

I can't find it now, but I once thought RJ made a quote to the extent of ",would you trust anything a Forsaken told you?"  Unfortunately, I can't verify if he ever did or not.  Not trusting them about anything just seems like a good rule to go by.

[Majsju]

It's from DragonCon 05,

 

Question: Ishamael mentions in prior turnings of the wheel that the soul of Lews Therin was raised up as the Shadow’s champion, and if that is the case, who was the champion of the creater, was it ….

 

Jordan: You believe Ishamael??? Sorry, man, but c’mon!