Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:14 PM, Gudrean said:

I don't think it takes an expert at mafia to know that if one side has a role the other side will have roles that are balanced. why do you all keep insulting my intelligence like I can't learn from reading the stuff online and listening to what everyone says.

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Noone insulting your intelligence you make a direct statement to specific roles and alignment based from said roles.  Like having never played a semi or advanced game and the vast majority of the roles being seen for the first time by you yet you staying matter of fact comments about the balance of said roles or knowing which or which alignment makes no sense unless someone told you.  I wouldn't know if I was you and this was my 3rd game.  It's not anyone trying to insult you.  It's your comments, certainty and conviction about said stuff that you wouldn't know simply because you're a new player playing your first semi or advanced game.

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 5:02 PM, Gudrean said:

It's weird that I'm able to learn from reading?  Mafia isn't Calculous! The fact that you keep trying to take away my accomplishments in learning how to play is demeaning.

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Ummmmmmm Im not liking this because I know how smart you are and I can't see you actually thinking anyone is actually trying to insult or belittle you?  Like Einstein couldn't button his shirt.  A rocket scientist with a 250 IQ couldn't walk into a hospital for the very first time and perform brain surgery having never done it or seen it before right?!?!!  Sadface.gif I truly hope you don't actually feel this way 💓 💓 💓 

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 5:16 PM, Gudrean said:

this isn't AtE this is you doubting my ability to learn. so if i can't learn throughout a single game then when, game 10, game 40, how long does it take me to catch on to the things you guys say ad nauseum

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I've played over 100 games and still learn new things lolololol. I get that you're much smarter than me but I still struggle with every faucet of advanced PR and balance.  I'd guess everyone of us playing and like 95% of everyone who plays the game at any point for any amount of time doesn't know everything.

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 hours till end of Day 3

[seph]

One last way to try to explain it because I think I do get where you are coming from.

 

I am highlighting that his neighbor claim makes him more than likely than average to be a wolf the same way my rb claim makes Gud less likely than a average to be a wolf. None of this should disregard gamelplay but its informing your reads.

 

I know I'm town, I know I'm right here man, and all of this has mayhem is throwing the game. We need to work together instead of arguing for 20 more pages or we are going to lose this game.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:07 PM, seph said:

One last way to try to explain it because I think I do get where you are coming from.

 

I am highlighting that his neighbor claim makes him more than likely than average to be a wolf the same way my rb claim makes Gud less likely than a average to be a wolf. None of this should disregard gamelplay but its informing your reads.

 

I know I'm town, I know I'm right here man, and all of this has mayhem is throwing the game. We need to work together instead of arguing for 20 more pages or we are going to lose this game.

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Disagree.  I feel like just common sense mafia makes me likely town, because it makes less sense otherwise.  Honestly, what this looks like is you trying to confuse the situation.  I read your posts and come to the opposite conclusion, dude.

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 5:29 PM, Gudrean said:

Turn was town and had all "townies" on him?

Cass was ??? yet only confirmed wolf on her was Darthe.

Looks like even "experts" can be wrong too.

 

There's a wolf in Dice/Verb

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There has to be of you're a Villager.  Unless exactly CaTurin was a Wolf and it's Seph but then I'd assume the flip flavor would a indicated that a team had lost or was done /dead whatever.  That's an assumption but usually how that works.

[Ithillian Turambar]

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VERBAL - 1 (Seph)

 

Not Voting - Dice, Gudrean, Verbal, Zander

 

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[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 5:31 PM, seph said:

Couldn't this be said that she is the easiest lynch today as well? I doubt I responded well as a new person when everyone in the game was gunning for me lmao.

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Yes but you would have 2 maybe 3 experienced players at mylo or LYLO tomorrow.  Again that scenario isn't something I'm focusing on ATM anyway 

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 hour and 30 minutes till end of Day 3

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 6:00 PM, seph said:

Verbal-
I am putting quotes in spoilers because I am not going to find the post on it's own again. He has been the least consistent player that is alive today, Guds iso list was more work that he has put it IMO. Below is one of his first responses to getting pressure and please just tell me anything he has done before his I am a neighbor claim. He has been coasting.
 

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  On 4/1/2025 at 1:46 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:46 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

Pretty much, yeah.  Honestly, waiting for some flips to jumpstart my engagement.  I've always ramped up as the game goes on - just like I did last game.  Nothing new for me.

 

 

 

I felt like he twisted words to ride a wave that was building on Turrin Day as an easy access vote. I feel like he put him at L-1 if I am not mistaken. It just reads awkward and I really dislike it because he never even listened. Me + 1-2 others tried to talk to him for him just to say we were misrepping him... 

 

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  On 4/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Verbal32 said:

Gonna put Turin against the ropes, here.  If 3p, we need to remove ASAP.  If I'm misinterpreting something, then I'm willing to listen and revise the impression I just got from that post.

 

Vote: Turin

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:36 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

Disagree - town should be hunting everybody not town.  On D1, when it's the hardest to hit mafia, if a 3p spews themselves, town should lynch.  It's that simple.

 

lol that you think me voting you here means I'm scum

This was to Turin

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:58 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

If you really think my reaction was twisting, then I'm not sure what to tell ya, dude.

Him literally refusing to think he misrepped after saying he might have. There was no conversation with him and he IMO never planned to reassess

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Verb had plenty of odd interactions with Darthe EOD 2 and I think that he is the W mate there. One of
my two biggest issues is he lies about the first EOD and the tied trains.

Look at his posts here and tell me they don't look wolfy AF
 

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Talks about switching to Cass even though he states he wouldn't vote there because me / darthe

We never get this from verbal

He is joking before the DL

 

And we go to random

He says he will get more active as we get more votes etc etc and we have nothing. We have speculation talk which has clouded this entire day. 
If Dice and Verb are both the last two wolves it makes sense to me they are throwing so much shade on my RB. 

Overall gameplay wise without spec involved
Darthe- Verb, and if I had to link Gud it would probably be here as well.
Hallia- Dice-Turrin

My POE without spec involved.
Dice/Gud I think I might give the slight edge to dice but the more I think about his Hallia post and his inactiveness day two the more I get worried.

Zander I really need you to trust me here, I understand your concerns and the fact that I could still be wrong. I do not think I am though. 
Today is the day we win together, or lose together.
Verb

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Will you at least consider Gud tomorrow?

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 6:02 PM, seph said:

I 100% think he is a neighbor, and this was all posted before me saying I roleblocked.
No I don't think he is lying about him having a x1 ability he didn't use. I think he is lying about being a Town Neighbor. 
Alright man I laid out everything I could and I have to go out with Jackie now. I will be thread present but I don't know what else I can say today. 
Ill be here if you need me.

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I agree with neighbors it's any other PR and you seem to just assume he doesn't have something that coulda screwed with your Gud RB.  I don't even care anymore.   If you're a Wolf I'm too sick to fight anymore and if a Villa and youre alive tomorrow at least promise you'll consider she's a Wolf of yours both still alive.  She may be Town.  I'm just not convinced yet 

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 6:03 PM, seph said:

The wolves literally seal the win for one of them by Lynching verb if he was town.

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If there's still 2 Wolves in not sure the game would end.  I still think Verbs got a lot of Wolf equity.  Like i said way before if I believe your BOATJOAT T/T neighbors doesn't make nearly as much sense to me 

[seph]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:37 PM, Zander? said:

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:39 PM, Zander? said:

 

I agree with neighbors it's any other PR and you seem to just assume he doesn't have something that coulda screwed with your Gud RB.  I don't even care anymore.   If you're a Wolf I'm too sick to fight anymore and if a Villa and youre alive tomorrow at least promise you'll consider she's a Wolf of yours both still alive.  She may be Town.  I'm just not convinced yet 

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I do promise to look into it, though if we hit a wolf I feel like you might be the one put on the spot again.

Who they nightkill will be telling ino

[Verbal32]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:37 PM, Zander? said:

 

Will you at least consider Gud tomorrow?

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She should be the consideration today.  I got about 10 minutes and I’m not available.

 

Stop waffling, you know it makes more sense for me to be telling the truth.  The easiest solution is I’m town.  Occam’s Razor and all that.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:45 PM, seph said:

I do promise to look into it, though if we hit a wolf I feel like you might be the one put on the spot again.

Who they nightkill will be telling ino

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Zander, you’re getting played here.

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 6:24 PM, seph said:

EVERYONE CAN'T BE TOWN! 
not everything a wolf says is a lie Zander. Wolves do lie but at the time of his reveal there wasn't much friction in the thread.
IF he is a wolf and lies, how should this affect the view on my roleblock. He is an unknown besides Neighbor
If he is town and affected my roleblock how is this +ev not to talk about.

From what I know
I used a RB.
Kills went through.
Gud didn't make the kill
@Zander? can you talk about each individually?
Variables.
1. Someone affected my roleblock
a.Gud - Makes the most sense in this case. 1/6 shot to hit me. Based on gameplay and think this is the best play today.
b.Dice- Hiding this seems -EV especially if he thought Gud was a wolf, knows the kills still went through because now I am speculating that him or ver hiding it seems like I am getting setup for tomorrow.
Talking about targeting me stops uses speculation that has muddied this whole day.
C.Verb- same as Dice. Am I missing something here when it comes to variable 1??

2. Role block does not affect factional kills.
D. Can both wolves NK be used on the same night?
E. Did the other wolf just have a kill ability and a NK? Could be, but everyone in this thread is gunning for GUD. It seems like easy pickings because a mislynch means a wolf win.

Variable 3- I suck and am completely wrong and have to admit zander is better at math than me.
I don't see how Dice and verb handling of this have been +ev in anyone
 

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BECAUSE there's 2 Wolves left lol I can't anymore if you're a Wolf you win I'm too sick now my heads pounding too on top of it. Tag me a promise if you're a Villa and that if the games not over and you're both alive tomorrow you won't just cruise on Gud without at least working it a bit?  So Dice Hallia and Verb Dathe you said...that's what I thought too. It was Gud/Dice Hallia and you and Verb with Darthe I mentioned 

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:47 PM, Verbal32 said:

Zander, you’re getting played here.

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I don't even care anymore lol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:49 PM, Zander? said:

 

I don't even care anymore lol 

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I've had Seph town since Day 1.  I have that crazy tinfoil thing I mentioned I don't wanna talk about till post game but meh imma run with it.  Darth handles you and Seph the same way.  Difference is Seph hard defended him and I can't see teammates doing that.  I think one of you too makes sense with Darthe and one of Dice Gud with Hallia.  Based purely on gameplay I find Seph Townier than you 

[seph]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:49 PM, Zander? said:

 

BECAUSE there's 2 Wolves left lol I can't anymore if you're a Wolf you win I'm too sick now my heads pounding too on top of it. Tag me a promise if you're a Villa and that if the games not over and you're both alive tomorrow you won't just cruise on Gud without at least working it a bit?  So Dice Hallia and Verb Dathe you said...that's what I thought too. It was Gud/Dice Hallia and you and Verb with Darthe I mentioned 

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That's an easy promise to make. You saw the work I put in today, I plan on going just as hard tomorrow.

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:52 PM, Zander? said:

 

I've had Seph town since Day 1.  I have that crazy tinfoil thing I mentioned I don't wanna talk about till post game but meh imma run with it.  Darth handles you and Seph the same way.  Difference is Seph hard defended him and I can't see teammates doing that.  I think one of you too makes sense with Darthe and one of Dice Gud with Hallia.  Based purely on gameplay I find Seph Townier than you 

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Can't see Seph doing that to a teammate o meant

[Zander?]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:53 PM, seph said:

That's an easy promise to make. You saw the work I put in today, I plan on going just as hard tomorrow.

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GG maybe especially if you're a Wolf you out WiMed me even tho I'm sick AF lol 

 

VOTE VERB 

 

Hilarious side note... everytime I type the word Vote iny phone the name Turin auto populates right afer LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Zander?]

@seph  you don't seem to wonder much about my tinfoiling post game thing.  I wonder what you'd guess I mean lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

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VERBAL - 2 (Seph. Zander)

 

Not Voting - Dice, Gudrean, Verbal

 

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[seph]

  On 4/12/2025 at 7:56 PM, Zander? said:

@seph  you don't seem to wonder much about my tinfoiling post game thing.  I wonder what you'd guess I mean lol

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Wasn't it relating to the post I quoted? I think I actually have a guess