Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[seph]

2 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

It really doesn't seem like it brother.  Shrug.  I think she's a Wolf...tho I suppose I think you're all Wolves and I'm the only villager LOLOLOLOL.  Jkjkjkjkk.  Please answer my question tho.  Based purely on gameplay put in order Town to Wolfiest... ONLY gameplay related no PR/mech and why.  Convince me you believe that and your posts at least convey it somewhat and I'll vote whoever you want today 

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On 4/2/2025 at 7:25 PM, seph said:

These posts are up to the Ic mod reveal. Game starts at 7:30  so I got a bit.

 

I think Gud is a wolf obviously, I don't see Turin pressuring gud this early if w/w, I would more than likely expect something to help them get into the thread.

 

Just a gud interaction it could mean something, it could just be a question.

 

Once again Turin questioning gud. Not w/w imo.

 

 

I will be spoilering guds first reads lists from last game next to this games reads. People give random reads all the time, but the post explaining it rubs me the wrong way.

The town reads were dice, Cass and someone else???

 

Shortly after this we get this

Pressure from darthe before we get a forced reads list imo

 

I disliked this so much at the time, it looked like someone trying to appease the masses without having any sort of reasons for this. My tinfoil of the team came later but Cass and dpr have no posts regarding the game. Verb either but I don't have much to post about him.

 

Every other read leaves room to switch and I didnt catch that earlier. When asked for reads in her other game they read so much better even if she was unsure. (Spoilered below)

 

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Don't worry deary, I shall not disappoint! Just as shiney and pure as always.

 

Heavy does seem different but I'm not ready to assume he's wolf just yet. Especially since he was cop last game and I had him pegged wolf. 😏

 

Dice, Turin, Shad seem pretty chill atm.

Verbal so far so gud!

 

Zanders, don't break my heart this game, I'm counting on you keeping my pocket warm, err that sounded weird huh? you know what I mean lol

 

  On 3/11/2025 at 8:07 AM, Gudrean said:

For now I don't have any sus reads as they usually come when someone just talks normally. Can't explain how it works but I surely hope it works, for townsake. Or aren't we actually in a spacecraft? So for shipsake. nod nod

 

Depending on Dice reads is not a bad way to go, from what I've seen but still gotta read Dice himself to decide if he's town or not. Then we're safe to follow his reads. 

 

I'll agree no one seems super-wolfy as of yet.

 

This was a post about dpr, again leaving room to change the reads.

Im eventually getting to dpr I think. Hockey time!

 

On 4/7/2025 at 12:44 PM, seph said:

Pos 1 towards Gud

#2

#3. This is within the first 15 pages, and after this I think people started to view GUD in a bad light. I am curious to read through and see Darth's other posts here. I don't want to view the posts as spewed but atm I want to look pressure elsewhere while I read.

 

Key what was your question for me?

I feel like zander had one as well.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 12:50 PM, seph said:

Would love for people to move to cass today. 
Cass/Gud/Verb then look at dpr after those 3 imo. Keep on the POE on day 2 team, and that is the order I would go.
Dice might be my tinfoil

After reading today's posts I think most should be hard pressed to lynch turrin.

 

What sucks is the entirety of the bottom of my list has made it to today.

I am grabbing a few muliquotes and hopefully spoilering them correctly with so points inside. ><

Gud I have questioned nonstop through this game, and looked like a nervous wolf all of day one IMO. Her reads list when pressured by darthe just seemed off to me, and I viewed a little differently than Zander after the darthe flip. It looked like pressure when I first read though them but I see his point of view.  I am fairly certain she followed me to cass as she had Turin as one of her only town reads but my thoughts there are limited as I just remember some posts zander quoted today.

She made some iso's and I remember them looking like she was just doing work. I didn't think we got opinions from her but started to slowly warm up to the idea that it might just all be her being an inexperienced townie and started tinfoiling with some of her interactions starting to sound better tone wise.

She was one of the bottom coming into today, and why I chose her.

Dice- I felt like the beginning of his d1 was good but tapered off tremendously giving us promises as the days went on with less and less. Today he has done nothing but talk spec and attempt to discredit but that's all I say about that. Reading back his response of "Don't tell me we are taking someone off the table for this" was indeed in response to me and DPR which initially bugged me and he claimed to thought was to Turin when I brought it up today. They are listed below in order.  The thing that really bugged me was his turrin vote post that I will talk about below.

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On 4/3/2025 at 9:06 PM, seph said:

Bro...

I literally told you I am re reading your posts. Multiple times. Stop getting mad when I do what I saw I'm doing. 

I'm trying to read it from a perspective without gud involved.

 

I read none of this post from you yet. I tried to talk to you twice now and you vanished both times, and never evem responded to me about my/your reads.

 

That post was me getting my thoughts in lined for what I actually think of you, if I think you are the wolf, or it's turin and hallia. Or whatever else I might think.

I said I had 20 quotes for you like 4 times in this thread lol.

 

Not reading into the game atm cause I'm Winding down for bed

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:13 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

I suggest you pull your head in and stop screaming at me. Like right now.

 

you say you said you werent saying you were Washington and expect that someone else wont take that as you saying you arnt Washington? seriously? 

 

And i didnt say you SAID you were LD, I said youve been representing that you are. With all the song and dance youve been doing about it how else should i characterize it?

 

Lied? How about the fact you said you werent going to claim. But you did and in a weird spot. Try telling me otherwise? As for softing roles before? i believe i said Its not something i remember you doing.

 

 

 

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:23 PM, seph said:

Unvote

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:36 PM, seph said:

Let's take some breaths and remember this is a game everyine

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:37 PM, dicetosser1 said:

TELL me people arnt getting taken off the table again because they flip out.

 

 

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On 4/4/2025 at 3:42 PM, dicetosser1 said:

@keyholder21  not gonna quote the post cause its long but re Cass  Im not sitting here sayign shes Town. Im not sitting here saying shes scum. I just havent paid much attention to her. She hasnt been here, youre absolutley right in that we arnt getting normal wordy cass posts. But ive just been paying attention to other things.

 

RE the hally D2 thing  She has a tell. it doesnt always happen but when it does i know shes scum. And again hse hasnt been here.

 

Verb  now verb hasnt been here much but my null on him is because i cant read him. He tends to make very short enigmatic posts and I never know what he is. so he is null. If I see something that sets me off i vote him but if hes just kinda THERE I never know what to do with him.

Curious to see points rergarding Hallia and never followed through on the next day when she was lynched. I think Dice might be hallia teammate tbh. 

Below is the Weird vote post I found.

On 4/3/2025 at 3:22 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

id disagree. Most of my many mislynches have been driven by Town

 

 

We oughta lynch you for this. CULTS ARE NOT FUN!!!

 

 

 

thank you. I was hoping for like a "when she said THIS i had this reaction" sorta thing but thats fine.

 

So I think im caught up. 

 

I seem to be collecting town reads more than scum reads.

 

Town

Darthe  I just dont think theres any doubt here. Hes poking, asking questions, ive agreed with a bunch of things hes said. 

Key  Shes digging. Seems a little tunneled on gud but I cant complain about that. Agaain  have agreed with stuff she says

Seph  He just feels like hes on his town game to me. most of the game hes sounded and felt unrushed and relaxed. A bit less last few pages, but i think that may be to not really understanding what Verb and DPR were saying to him.

 

Null

Gud  other people who have played with her are sussing her but she sounds the same to me. 

DPR  some things ive liked some i havent. No real idea tbh

Verb I always find verb hard to read and his lack of activity so far isnt making it any easier. Dont think hes said anything bad but he hasnt said much really

Halli  lack of activity isnt helping. Is usually a Day 2 read for me, especially if she does a certain something there.

 

Null - Scum

Cass just isnt registering with me. Barely here. I think i get her vote on turin but im not seeing the normal way she posts.

 

Scum

Turin. 

 

 

 

 

 

Right so Vote Turin

 

This may be a bad vote cause a big part of it is irritation. Ive literally had this running thru my head even as i slept.

 

The other parts tho are inconsistency and now he has added a LAL element to it.

 

He had a post where he snapped at Darthe kinda hard, then took his ball and left the thread. Not something I normally associate with turin.

 

Has been soft claiming Washington most of the game but iirc literally said he was not him? Been representing LD but also said hes not that. Bought the LD up early for no real reason, I dont agree with his idea of worrying mafia, i think it just warns them and lately hes fixated on people saying their Town despite saying he didnt believe in the usual make everyone say their town schtick. So fixated his annoyed me into digging my heels in and refusing to say what he wants just because he wants it so much.

 

Has been focused on mechanics all game. Says hes been talkign theme but talking theme is posting music vids or what your fav part of the play was or little tidbits like apparently Lin got inspired because he heard they were taking Hamilton off the $10 note.

 

He is also the one who raised about their being fake claims and that he thinks there would be based off ithis modding history.  I can totally see Washington being a fake claim, would be the best one you can get really (cause youd never get Hamilton imo) So im really not trusting his claim. Especially as I dont remember him ever softing a claim like that before.

 

Thats not what hes been doing.

 

and now im adding LAL. Lynch All Liars.  He been softing Washing, repping LD but said he wasnt them AND said he wasnt going to claim. Like at all.  Then he claims  with only 3 votes and like 30 hrs before deadline?

 

Oh and he has added more inconsistency claiming Washington but now flashing IYKYK around.  Thats a Jefferson thing. Who is a political enemy of Hamilton.

 

So thats where im at

 

 

I thought she was just pointing out it was a line from the show

 

 

 

yeah imagine that.

 

See above 😄 

 

 

Gud  Dont post things from other games in the current game. Its not a done thing

 

Making a vote based on poe here was terrible, the eventually goes to talk about how he does think Turin is a wolf based on everything Zander was berrating him on. Easy out imo.

Turin hinted and claimed he was Washington multiple times and who cares if he was posting ad repping a certain character. it's very NAI and around this is when I started to try to subvert the lynch. I don't feel like we got much from dice d2 and only speculation from dice d3. 
He is the only one I think that fits Hallia's teammate.

Posting this before verbal and will give final thoughts.

 

[Gudrean]

On 4/4/2025 at 4:57 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

TURIN - 5  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice, Verbal)

CASS - 5 (Darthe, Seph, Turin, Gudrean, Key)

DPR- 1 (Hallia)

 

Turn was town and had all "townies" on him?

Cass was ??? yet only confirmed wolf on her was Darthe.

Looks like even "experts" can be wrong too.

 

There's a wolf in Dice/Verb

[seph]

22 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

See I completely disagree irt to only Gud especially since there's another Wolf most likely.  And even more so since you believe she's town your conclusion should be Gud besides you and me is the most UNLIKELY to have the ability.  This is my issue with you and it's starting to feel like you may want , what you may perceive as the easiest person to have against you tomorrow..... LOLOLOLOLOL ....at least that's what the tinfoil in eating is starting to say.  But everything before that definitely true lol

Couldn't this be said that she is the easiest lynch today as well? I doubt I responded well as a new person when everyone in the game was gunning for me lmao.

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

Doesn't the same logic from Dice apply here?
I also thought he claimed a x1 ability he hasn't used yet

 

But if he's a Wolf like you're saying he's obviously lying right?!?!?!?!

[seph]

Verbal-
I am putting quotes in spoilers because I am not going to find the post on it's own again. He has been the least consistent player that is alive today, Guds iso list was more work that he has put it IMO. Below is one of his first responses to getting pressure and please just tell me anything he has done before his I am a neighbor claim. He has been coasting.
 

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  On 4/1/2025 at 8:46 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

Pretty much, yeah.  Honestly, waiting for some flips to jumpstart my engagement.  I've always ramped up as the game goes on - just like I did last game.  Nothing new for me.

 

 

I felt like he twisted words to ride a wave that was building on Turrin Day as an easy access vote. I feel like he put him at L-1 if I am not mistaken. It just reads awkward and I really dislike it because he never even listened. Me + 1-2 others tried to talk to him for him just to say we were misrepping him... 

 

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  On 4/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Verbal32 said:

Gonna put Turin against the ropes, here.  If 3p, we need to remove ASAP.  If I'm misinterpreting something, then I'm willing to listen and revise the impression I just got from that post.

 

Vote: Turin

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:36 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

Disagree - town should be hunting everybody not town.  On D1, when it's the hardest to hit mafia, if a 3p spews themselves, town should lynch.  It's that simple.

 

lol that you think me voting you here means I'm scum

This was to Turin

 

  On 4/4/2025 at 11:58 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

If you really think my reaction was twisting, then I'm not sure what to tell ya, dude.

Him literally refusing to think he misrepped after saying he might have. There was no conversation with him and he IMO never planned to reassess

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Verb had plenty of odd interactions with Darthe EOD 2 and I think that he is the W mate there. One of
my two biggest issues is he lies about the first EOD and the tied trains.

Look at his posts here and tell me they don't look wolfy AF
 

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On 4/4/2025 at 2:52 PM, Verbal32 said:

I think I can be around for EOD.  I'd rather not have random.org decide the lynch - 'wagonomics' works best when the players direct a specific lynch.

 

I started the day with 2 light scum reads (admittedly based off 1 post each), and added a sus on Turin based on his post I already mentioned previously.

 

Cass was in my middle pile of players I didn't have a definitive read on yet - I'm less comfortable going there, especially considering the other 2 players I am sus on are on that train.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 3:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I see that POV, but I can only say that for me it is inconclusive......and that's mostly because the only 3 people I've sussed today are all on her train.  

Talks about switching to Cass even though he states he wouldn't vote there because me / darthe

On 4/4/2025 at 3:54 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I have looked at everybody, yes.  My read on Darthe would be null without that one town core post, and my read on seph would actually be slight town if not for the "nodding along" post.  But I stand by my belief that sometimes it's just one little post slip that scum makes, especially solid scum.  And both of those are solid players.

 

For everybody else, I have them basically above the line currently.  At this point, I need to see some flips and look at votes and try to evaluate from there.

We never get this from verbal

On 4/4/2025 at 3:55 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Love the safety dance!

He is joking before the DL

On 4/4/2025 at 4:00 PM, Verbal32 said:

kidding, kidding

 

 

 

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still kidding, bet you thought I was gonna say not kidding

 

 

On 4/4/2025 at 4:00 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

DAY ONE HAS ENDED.

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST

And we go to random

He says he will get more active as we get more votes etc etc and we have nothing. We have speculation talk which has clouded this entire day. 
If Dice and Verb are both the last two wolves it makes sense to me they are throwing so much shade on my RB. 

Overall gameplay wise without spec involved
Darthe- Verb, and if I had to link Gud it would probably be here as well.
Hallia- Dice-Turrin

My POE without spec involved.
Dice/Gud I think I might give the slight edge to dice but the more I think about his Hallia post and his inactiveness day two the more I get worried.

Zander I really need you to trust me here, I understand your concerns and the fact that I could still be wrong. I do not think I am though. 
Today is the day we win together, or lose together.
Verb

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I don't think I can be around for DL - my son has AAU basketball and I'll be at his games and potentially without internet.

 

So maybe don't wait too long, heh.

 

Theres very very likely another Wolf unless CaTurin was.  They need to kill the other Wolf so I'm thinking that they'd jump on you by now if you were Town as well id that makes sense lol

[seph]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

But if he's a Wolf like you're saying he's obviously lying right?!?!?!?!

I 100% think he is a neighbor, and this was all posted before me saying I roleblocked.
No I don't think he is lying about him having a x1 ability he didn't use. I think he is lying about being a Town Neighbor. 
Alright man I laid out everything I could and I have to go out with Jackie now. I will be thread present but I don't know what else I can say today. 
Ill be here if you need me.

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 hours and 58 minutes till end of Day 3

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

 

Nope, that is not logical.
Verb- as we established did not
ME- why are you including me in this scenario
Dice- He could have but why all the speculation and not come out and tell us if he is town. That would have made today so much easier but instead he goes after the person I roleblocked and am viewing as a towny because of it.
Key- No Roleblock
DPR- Has a roleblock but you have said nothing of this. I was his top townie read and I would have bet he would have told you since he trusted you. You could have just outed me if I was a wolf.
GUD- LITERALLY THE ONLY OPTION. 
Massive Misrep

 

Like your logic makes no sense...FROM YOUR OWN POV. You believe Gud is Town because you're NA ..you know I'm town...I assume you Believe YOUR Town...that means Verb HAS To BE A WOLF why would you EVER believe him?!?!?!  Dude if you're a Villager you're Logic makes ZERO sense!!!!!!

[seph]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Theres very very likely another Wolf unless CaTurin was.  They need to kill the other Wolf so I'm thinking that they'd jump on you by now if you were Town as well id that makes sense lol

The wolves literally seal the win for one of them by Lynching verb if he was town.

[seph]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Like your logic makes no sense...FROM YOUR OWN POV. You believe Gud is Town because you're NA ..you know I'm town...I assume you Believe YOUR Town...that means Verb HAS To BE A WOLF why would you EVER believe him?!?!?!  Dude if you're a Villager you're Logic makes ZERO sense!!!!!!

Zander, his neighbor has a x1, why would it be weird for him to have a x1. He didn't claim what it was and he claimed it as unused.
ARE YOU TELLING ME I NEED TO SPECULATE MORE!!>>??!?!? Jesus lol this game is making my head hurt.
Sorry to all the dead thread if anyone actually reads this anymore.

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

I am not asking you to claim. I am saying if you blocked me, saying so would be a huge help, since this could possibly be Lylo. Claiming would have eliminated 25 pages today of uselessness. 
Blocking me and not saying it, and then attacking the person I am trying to say is a townie is just causing confusion in the thread

 

It's like everything you're saying has to assume EVERYONE IS TOWN because in order for your logic to work because you  believe EVERYBODY for your NA belife on Gud to be correct.

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

Zander, his neighbor has a x1, why would it be weird for him to have a x1. He didn't claim what it was and he claimed it as unused.
ARE YOU TELLING ME I NEED TO SPECULATE MORE!!>>??!?!? Jesus lol this game is making my head hurt.
Sorry to all the dead thread if anyone actually reads this anymore.

 

DUDE your logic Makes sense only if Everyone is Town because You're accepting everything they say as Truth/fact... WOLVES LIE. WOLVES HAVE FAKE CLAIMS...I can't understand how you don't see this!!!!  UNLESS OFC YOURE a Wolf and what I said earlier is your plan LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

VERBAL - 1 (Seph)

 

Not Voting - Dice, Gudrean, Verbal, Zander

 

3 votes to Lynch

 

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Day 3 ends 10pm BST on Saturday 12th Aprl

 

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[seph]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

It's like everything you're saying has to assume EVERYONE IS TOWN because in order for your logic to work because you  believe EVERYBODY for your NA belife on Gud to be correct.

No, I am trying to play off the information I have. I used a RB. 
Dice and Verb could have done something correct?
If you are a town and you know your ability X canceled out someone else's (mine Y) in this case, who is using their knowledge to attempt to prevent a lynch on somebody the ENTIRE thread seems to think is a wolf. Wouldn't the most + EV thing to do is claim the shot?

This has been such a cluster today. I made a post trying to ignore spec for you btw.

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

@Zander?you keep flip flopping all over. And by all means waffle all you want. This has been a stressful day.

 

Lets say If two wolves are in the game, if I was a wolf I would be happy to see another one die. I have 0 reason to go to such lengths and could have lynched her no problem today if I wanted. THE only reason she is still alive right now is probably because of me. 

 

If you are so sketched out by my view, why? What's the benefit for wolf seph here for any of this

 

EXACTLY MY POINT it's almost like you're trying to be TWTBAW or i don't even know.....the fact you keep arguing with me about when your belief about your NA almost certainly being correct and work and GUD has to be Town has more holes in it than an infinite golf course lolololol that said you COULD possibly be right.  But like I've said this whole time, there's too many variables to JUST ASSUME this

[Zander?]

5 minutes ago, seph said:

No, I am trying to play off the information I have. I used a RB. 
Dice and Verb could have done something correct?
If you are a town and you know your ability X canceled out someone else's (mine Y) in this case, who is using their knowledge to attempt to prevent a lynch on somebody the ENTIRE thread seems to think is a wolf. Wouldn't the most + EV thing to do is claim the shot?

This has been such a cluster today. I made a post trying to ignore spec for you btw.

 

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIRMED INFORMATION.  You're assuming it worked?  Even if ITHI literally said RB successfully blocked she could have a PR herself +Plus the Wolf Kill.  And when you're the last Wolf in pretty sure you can submit multiple thing.

[seph]

4 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

DUDE your logic Makes sense only if Everyone is Town because You're accepting everything they say as Truth/fact... WOLVES LIE. WOLVES HAVE FAKE CLAIMS...I can't understand how you don't see this!!!!  UNLESS OFC YOURE a Wolf and what I said earlier is your plan LOLOLOLOLOL 

EVERYONE CAN'T BE TOWN! 
not everything a wolf says is a lie Zander. Wolves do lie but at the time of his reveal there wasn't much friction in the thread.
IF he is a wolf and lies, how should this affect the view on my roleblock. He is an unknown besides Neighbor
If he is town and affected my roleblock how is this +ev not to talk about.

From what I know
I used a RB.
Kills went through.
Gud didn't make the kill
@Zander? can you talk about each individually?
Variables.
1. Someone affected my roleblock
a.Gud - Makes the most sense in this case. 1/6 shot to hit me. Based on gameplay and think this is the best play today.
b.Dice- Hiding this seems -EV especially if he thought Gud was a wolf, knows the kills still went through because now I am speculating that him or ver hiding it seems like I am getting setup for tomorrow.
Talking about targeting me stops uses speculation that has muddied this whole day.
C.Verb- same as Dice. Am I missing something here when it comes to variable 1??

2. Role block does not affect factional kills.
D. Can both wolves NK be used on the same night?
E. Did the other wolf just have a kill ability and a NK? Could be, but everyone in this thread is gunning for GUD. It seems like easy pickings because a mislynch means a wolf win.

Variable 3- I suck and am completely wrong and have to admit zander is better at math than me.
I don't see how Dice and verb handling of this have been +ev in anyone
 

[seph]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIRMED INFORMATION.  You're assuming it worked?  Even if ITHI literally said RB successfully blocked she could have a PR herself +Plus the Wolf Kill.  And when you're the last Wolf in pretty sure you can submit multiple thing.

My confirmed info is I used my ability. I am trying to weight the options and I do not see Gud as the best option going forward...
See last post plz. I feel like everyone is just watching us argue rn.

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

I said that in the post as well. 

Which is why I have only been talking about gud/dice....

 

What about Verb again I ask?  Im confused as to why he doesn't seemingly exist to you ?!??!?!

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

The neighbor who told us he didn't use his x1?

 

You're voting hij

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, seph said:

The neighbor who told us he didn't use his x1?

 

You're voting him yet you believe everything he says?!???!!  Dude again this is why I'm keeping at you because it makes no sense at all.  You're PR based Gud Clear is in part hinging on you're Wolf vote having told you the truth .  Say that sentence out loud and come back and talk to me please.

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, Gudrean said:

I have not "angled" hard at anybody, I've simply stated I think you are a wolf neighbor.

I also never claimed to be an expert at balance. I said that the game was going to be balanced, role wise because the Mod knows what she is doing and made a good game. maybe not in so many words but...

 

 

Ofc the game is going to be balanced but you understanding which roles would likely be in this game that would make it balanced would be non existent considering it's your first semi advanced or advanced game.  See that's an issue.  The only way you'd know what roles like you said that didn't or did make sense for whatever you said exactly was if someone told you that.

[seph]

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

P!  Dude again this is why I'm keeping at you because it makes no sense at all.  You're PR based Gud Clear is in part hinging on you're Wolf vote having told you the truth .  Say that sentence out loud and come back and talk to me please.

Zander, can you go back up to the post I @ you and talk to me about  it.

 

What I am saying is that a neighbor with a x1 makes sense. The only facet I can know for sure is the neighbor claim. I explained my though process above for if he or dice used their ability on me.

 

Me thinking his x1 is reasonable has nothing to do with him being a wolf or not. I think he is just a wolf neighbor.

 

I am not clearing gud, I think the scenario I am describing where gud is town is more likely to happen. If dice or verb targets me it's just heavily - ev to keep that quiet with everything happening today.

 

We are literally going in circles here.

[seph]

I will be driving but I gave my gameplay read and the @ post is the best I have for you today man.

 

I am sorry I couldn't clear up my though process, or understand where you were coming from. Glgl and may the odds be in our favor