Game Over- Shady Oaks Retirement Home [Basic Game] - TOWN WINS!

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 5:56 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Adding I suppose Zander also was quoted on D1 saying he was lynching me or Mills - after the bump in the night he no longer has to back on that so...

 

Could be a big brain move from Zander. No, really.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL. No one has ever had big brain in the same sentence as my name!!!!!

[Turin Turambar]

That's why my post was the way it was. You can't multi quote into spoilers. And as far I know you can't get to the actual code like the.old days.

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:02 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Hey Heavy.  First lol about saying the pings. Missed opportunity for a one ping only gif. Losing my touch.

 

I did make a theory about Mills death. ZANDER killed him to give you some town cred. Cairos voted you at end of day as opposed to Mills who is now a known townie(although dead). Assuming Cairos would  never vote a teammate in that situation so hence baguette, Heavy is town.

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How would Mills death give Heavy Town credit?!?!?!!

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

That's why my post was the way it was. You can't multi quote into spoilers. And as far I know you can't get to the actual code like the.old days.

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Ya I just tried with the GiF and it didn't work so I dunno 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

So what is your theory Zander? As the Town leader should you not be giving us answers?

[Gudrean]

I think I'm gonna just

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:20 PM, Zander? said:

 

How would Mills death give Heavy Town credit?!?!?!!

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OK. Here we go. This is with you and Heavy as the other two mafiosos.

 

At EoD, the known mafioso, Cairos,  chose to vote Heavy an unknown over Mills, a known townie.  Some people could be convinced that Cairos,  who knows both of their alignments wouldn't risk making his teammate a viable lynch, so would vote Mills. That he voted Heavy means Heavy must be town. I think a clever wolf could spin that. Especially,  if there was no other really vocal people to push against it.

#tinfoilisafinematerial

#endgamewifom

[Gudrean]

I was thinking this same thing unless he knew we would be thinking this way and so voted Heavy to make us think he is town. Is there a way to find all of Mills votes, easily or just sift back through?

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:23 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So what is your theory Zander? As the Town leader should you not be giving us answers?

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I did.  Im voting Turin.

[Gudrean]

  On 3/1/2025 at 3:14 PM, Cairos said:

Well one thing for sure is that mafia can be confusing because you don’t know who is who. Turin does seem suspicious since he’s being the first one to say who he think is mafia. Mafia are people who will try to lie and confuse others and act all innocent. 

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Cairos being mafia and saying this, says 1. maybe Z, Heavy, and Turin are mafia since they act innocent, but maybe just trying to have fun and clear their names. 2. was he just trying to throw us off the real mafia by throwing Turin's name here? 3. Being mafia he knew his team and wanting us to think he's calling out Turin to think he's town? feels like a lot of early WIFOM

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:29 PM, Gudrean said:

I think I'm gonna just

 

 

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I love Napolean Dynamite!!!!!

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:45 PM, Gudrean said:

Cairos being mafia and saying this, says 1. maybe Z, Heavy, and Turin are mafia since they act innocent, but maybe just trying to have fun and clear their names. 2. was he just trying to throw us off the real mafia by throwing Turin's name here? 3. Being mafia he knew his team and wanting us to think he's calling out Turin to think he's town? feels like a lot of early WIFOM

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There only 3 total Mafia and Carios was one.

[Gudrean]

  On 3/1/2025 at 5:56 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Baseless defense could be a sign that someone wants  to try to build up "Town cred" by defending a town player even though they have no cause. It's day 1 so there is no chance of a viewing.  Remember,  the mafia KNOW who is town, so they can defend them and be right.

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This is why I'm trying to sift to find who was supporting who to see if there is a pattern.

[Gudrean]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:47 PM, Zander? said:

 

There only 3 total Mafia and Carios was one.

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was just giving possible mafia in my mind, I'm aware only 2 of them can be. ☺️

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on?

 

It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1? 

 

It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd.

 

Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense? 

 

WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES???

 

Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:45 PM, Gudrean said:

Cairos being mafia and saying this, says 1. maybe Z, Heavy, and Turin are mafia since they act innocent, but maybe just trying to have fun and clear their names. 2. was he just trying to throw us off the real mafia by throwing Turin's name here? 3. Being mafia he knew his team and wanting us to think he's calling out Turin to think he's town? feels like a lot of early WIFOM

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ZANDER,  take yourself out of the mix here. Say it is your dream and mafia is Cairos, Heavy, and me. follow the actions of D1. You think Cairos nudges my.lynch like that if I'm mafia with him? I would think he would have either jumped on if the plan was to bus, or tried to steer things another way. Mafia will frequently try to distract from a building lynch by breaking momentum and or shining a light somewhere else.

[Gudrean]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:52 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on?

 

It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1? 

 

It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd.

 

Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense? 

 

WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES???

 

Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.

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Dude Heavy, if you reread what I posted I'm honestly trying to find ways to figure this out and darnit I feel like I've grown as a player in such a short time. I am seriously considering changing my vote from you but this ^ does not help your case, at least with me. Give me concrete reasons like some of what you just said and I will lead myself to the right answer. I'm not sold that you are wolf and I'm not sold that Turin is not. That's why my post shows both directions for him. Please bear with me as I learn how to deduce this stuff and make an informed choice. 

Also in case you are taking it personal, from me at least, I'm sending you a big hug to say we're all gud! 😘

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:52 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on?

 

It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1? 

 

It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd.

 

Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense? 

 

WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES???

 

Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.

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Mafia can be frustrating.

  To answer your question though, there was no way I was going to get lynched on day 1. At the end there was very little chance that anyone other than Cairos would.  There just wasn't enough time or people to manifest a complete train inthat time. Since I wasn't a choice. Even Zander had me as lock D1 villa at that time. Cairos couldn't vote me. Well he could have but it wouldn't have had the same effect. 

 

If you think people aren't  trying to solve, then interact with them. Ask questions. Ask in a even manner without any insinuation of their alignment.  Here's an example:

 

Right after the flip on Cairos,  Andy said something along the lines of "there were 2 wolves on Turin (train)". The only two people on my train at EoD were you and Andy herself.  Does that change your thoughts on Andy?

I asked you something similar before, but what is your overall read on Andy?

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Also Turin, it is pretty insulting that your theory is not just that I am wolf - but a rather dim one. Mills is an unexpected victim, so surely in trying figure out why people would look at the last action of a known mafia. I just don't buy it. Mills was a likely lynch target and I cannot get away from the fact that this is why he was NKd and the only person making use of this is Turin, especially with all the efforts of Turin to derail the whole D2 into a Zander-Heavy-Turin mudwrestling match where you are only allowed to wear really small underpants.

 

Re: Gudrean, no I'm not taking it personally, especially not from whoever turns out to be wolves - that is the point of the game after all. I'm getting frustrated that the narrative is being completely controlled by Turin and Zander. People doing catch ups seem to be spending all their time reacting to them and discussing the agenda that they have set and not things like why was Mills killed. or ideas that come from the other players. And yes, I can admit I am egotistical enough that it does smart a bit when I ask for thoughts and someone replies, yeah Turin does seem right. I guess so should just be resigned to being lynched. No one is listening to me, or at least, no one is agreeing. Either we townies are going to defeat ourselves and the silent wolves will win by default or the wolves have the narrative and no one is challenging them. 

 

Frustrating.

[Zander?]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:52 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on?

 

It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1? 

 

It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd.

 

Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense? 

 

WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES???

 

Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.

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I'm voting who i think is most likely a Wolf.  That's the game.  Villagers try and find Wolves and lunch em and Wolves try to not get lunch and kill Villagers.  Everyone's a Wolf till it's mechanically proven otherwise IMHO.  I'll agree tho we have room many low/little content posters tho I understand RL is a thing but it's also easy for a Wolf to hide behind as well.  If your a Villager decide who you think is most likely a Wolf like who has the highest wolf likeliness % and vote them and build a case and try to convince others to join you.  If you're a Wolf well....diaf lololololol

 

[Gudrean]

  On 3/6/2025 at 7:11 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also Turin, it is pretty insulting that your theory is not just that I am wolf - but a rather dim one. Mills is an unexpected victim, so surely in trying figure out why people would look at the last action of a known mafia. I just don't buy it. Mills was a likely lynch target and I cannot get away from the fact that this is why he was NKd and the only person making use of this is Turin, especially with all the efforts of Turin to derail the whole D2 into a Zander-Heavy-Turin mudwrestling match where you are only allowed to wear really small underpants.

 

Re: Gudrean, no I'm not taking it personally, especially not from whoever turns out to be wolves - that is the point of the game after all. I'm getting frustrated that the narrative is being completely controlled by Turin and Zander. People doing catch ups seem to be spending all their time reacting to them and discussing the agenda that they have set and not things like why was Mills killed. or ideas that come from the other players. And yes, I can admit I am egotistical enough that it does smart a bit when I ask for thoughts and someone replies, yeah Turin does seem right. I guess so should just be resigned to being lynched. No one is listening to me, or at least, no one is agreeing. Either we townies are going to defeat ourselves and the silent wolves will win by default or the wolves have the narrative and no one is challenging them. 

 

Frustrating.

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No response to my hug? geeze

[Gudrean]

  On 3/6/2025 at 7:18 PM, Zander? said:

If you're a Wolf well....diaf lololololol

 

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[Gudrean]

  On 3/6/2025 at 7:11 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 Zander-Heavy-Turin mud wrestling match where you are only allowed to wear really small underpants.

 

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This could be extremely interesting!

[Turin Turambar]

I don't think I ever implied anyone was dim. Except maybe Zander, lol. If it came across that way,  I  apologise. 

I have to go to work now, so people have some space from my volume.

 

Good night for now.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Gaah - just lost a long post as my internet hiccuped, I pressed submit and DM took me to a you are not connected to the internet page and ate the post.

 

Thank you for the hug, @Gudrean, my apologies if I seemed unappreciative. 

 

Head is so full I don't even know what I said. It was however, heart moving and almost impossibly eloquent. Please just accept the gist of it: I'm town, lol 😎

 

I think I said Andy is plausible as Town. Wouldn't go further than that, but don't have much else to go on. Her comment just seems like a mistake, I don't think much can be read into it because of that, but perhaps she can clear up what she meant by it.

 

I feel like a voice in the wilderness and no one is listening, or at least, not being convinced. Mislynching me is a big step towards the wolves winning and I don't see that there are many good arguments being made against me but if Zander changes his vote I'm as good as pushing up daisies in the town cemetery and not a single person seems in the slightest bothered by that. Why is no one even entertaining my reasoning at all? Because I don't have the I'm an old player hat? Why has Turin spent so much time and effort to implicate Zander but is voting me? Why are so many people saying well I'm suspicious of Heavy and x so that everyone can coalesce on me? Only two of you are wolves. I guess I just done lost the argument, but I cannot help feel that this was due to the volume of my opponents rather than the skill of their arguments.

 

Please try to think of why Mills was killed. To give me town cred is a terribly bad reason. That would be totally a double edged sword. it would just as likely be a ploy by the wolves - heck more likely, we are talking about the choices of the wolves and the actions of a known wolf. How on earth would I ever think that would give me town cred? It doesn't make sense. Please think about it rather than just listening to Turin. It is bad logic.

 

If you lynch me, I will flip town and then you will have to think about what that means about Turin. You might as well start now, might save some time on D3. Are his arguments really that convincing? How will you react when he says "oopsie!"?