Where are the WoT "curses"?

[RaolinDarksbaneFTW]

I've heard Egwene call Rand a bastard and Rand call Matt a prick (were there others I missed?). But I have yet to hear; wool headed sheep hereder, light burn you, or my favorite blood and bloody ashes. This despite there being situations where they could've been easily inserted into the dialouge.

 

While not a dealbreaker for me, I hope the show fixes this as I prefer RJ's in world "curses" as opposed to modern real world ones. 

 

What are your thoughts? Prefer one or the other or was this a neutral change? 

[Elder_Haman]

10 minutes ago, RaolinDarksbaneFTW said:

Prefer one or the other or was this a neutral change? 

I'm neutral on this one. IIRC, there have been one or two uses of "bloody". But I don't find the more modern usage bad or off-putting.

[JenniferL]

I assume they’ve elected to use our swears instead because it sounds pretty silly when you yell “Mother’s milk in a cup!” in real life. 

[Vartija]

17 minutes ago, RaolinDarksbaneFTW said:

What are your thoughts? Prefer one or the other or was this a neutral change? 

I did a bit of a "mental flinch" at both bastard and prick (which seems to be the go to instult so far, Rand uses it too). Maybe it's because of the mellow book swearing background that they sound so hostile. To be honest though, I think the book swearing might sound a little silly for non book readers. 

 

The bigger thing to me is why those words had to be used at all so far. I don't think either fit particularily well in those scenes, which to me is part of the bigger problem that is the quality of the dialogue. I didn't think much about Mat's mom callin him a "prick like his father", but... it does sound a bit harsh to call your son that. Similarily Egwene calling Rand a bastard felt a little harsh. Again, it might be book background speaking but I don't see why they have to be this hostile to each other, and the word "bastard" is just not WoT at all. Part of the maturing of the whole story I guess.   

[Els]

15 minutes ago, JenniferL said:

I assume they’ve elected to use our swears instead because it sounds pretty silly when you yell “Mother’s milk in a cup!” in real life. 

☝️This. Some of the swearing in the books was lost on me at first when I was reading through. Had only picked it up because of the other character reactions to them swearing (i.e. scolding). Took a bit to get used to. I am indifferent overall but I do think more "flaming" "blasted" "blood/bloody ashes" and "light burn you" could have been incorporated and understood.

 

I appreciated the use of Egwene calling Rand a bastard in that episode because insult that hit harder to me than it would have if she had said "wool-headed sheep herder". 

[Dozer]

What really captured me in the book (and all good fantasy stories) is the immersive ability of the author and their world.  Slang, speech, maps, regional styles and dialect are the tools used to draw in the audience and hold them in this unknown world.  For a story that has an audience capable of being guided through this world, this is one more little miss by the show runners to add to the myriad of questionable changes.  Trust the power of the story and the intelligence of the audience to embrace these immersive tools.   In the world of Hollywood the story always comes third next to profits and mass audience appeal and it makes me afraid this is the first step to GoT soft core fantasy porn

[JenniferL]

I really don’t think “swear words the audience will recognize” is the gateway to soft core porn. 

[Vambram]

1 hour ago, RaolinDarksbaneFTW said:

I've heard Egwene call Rand a bastard and Rand call Matt a prick (were there others I missed?). But I have yet to hear; wool headed sheep hereder, light burn you, or my favorite blood and bloody ashes. This despite there being situations where they could've been easily inserted into the dialouge.

 

While not a dealbreaker for me, I hope the show fixes this as I prefer RJ's in world "curses" as opposed to modern real world ones. 

 

What are your thoughts? Prefer one or the other or was this a neutral change? 

 

I agree with you. In a fantasy series, one of the things I enjoyed was when an author could immerse me into the world and culture of the books. Instead of only using modern cursing, I believe that the show would be even more entertaining if the cast were allowed to use some of our favorite curses from the WoT books. 

[DaddyFinn]

"Burn me!"

"Blood and (bloody) ashes!"

"Light!" (this has been said already.)

 

Those wouldn't feel too laughable. I probably missed some similar, simple curses. No F-bombs and other similar "strong" words and I'm fine.

 

 

[Dozer]

"That killed the goat" - Mat Cauthon

 

Have found many opportunities to use that one

[thehumantrashcan]

I don't know, Battlestar Galactica and Firefly did a good job using non traditional swear words just fine.  Don't see why they couldn't have done it here.

[ManetherenTaveren]

10 hours ago, Els said:

I appreciated the use of Egwene calling Rand a bastard in that episode because insult that hit harder to me than it would have if she had said "wool-headed sheep herder". 

I predict Lan will hurl the "sheepherder" insult toward Rand at some point this season (probably when he discovers Rand has his father's heron blade) and there will be much rejoicing.

[Starganderfish]

It’s another part of the world building the show is lacking. 

It’s more “edgy” to use bastard and prick and they are keen to try and skirt the edginess of GoT without going full “Tyrion-in-the-brothel”
Honestly for me it’s like the 7 year old who’s learnt a swear word and uses it because he thinks it makes him cool, though he’s secretly terrified his Mum will hear. It feels really out of place. It’s not as bad as the crappy new Star Trek dropping the f-bomb and dramatically pausing so the audience can all gasp at how edgy they are… but it’s in the same ball-park. 
Personally I’m a fan of Frak and Gorram in other shows. It’s immersive. 

And I think “Mother’s milk in a cup!!” is an awesome curse to shout if you hit your finger with a hammer or something. It has the right flow and intonation and finishes strong with an abrupt one-syllable word.  

[DaddyFinn]

3 minutes ago, Starganderfish said:

Mother’s milk in a cup

Can anyone explain what makes this a "curse"? I've never understood it.

 

Uno better spit those flaming curses or we will riot.

[Dozer]

1 hour ago, DaddyFinn said:

Can anyone explain what makes this a "curse"? I've never understood it.

 

Uno better spit those flaming curses or we will riot.

Would think it's just because of the flow off the tongue.  Also, may be a cleaned up version for Wisdoms in ear shot

 

Uno would be the one to ask

[DaddyFinn]

11 minutes ago, Dozer said:

Would think it's just because of the flow off the tongue.  Also, may be a cleaned up version for Wisdoms in ear shot

 

Uno would be the one to ask

"Father's milk in a cup!" would be a lot more ewwww ?

[Starganderfish]

1 hour ago, DaddyFinn said:

Can anyone explain what makes this a "curse"? I've never understood it.

 

Uno better spit those flaming curses or we will riot.

TV Tropes - You’re drinking breast milk

[DaddyFinn]

2 minutes ago, Starganderfish said:

TV Tropes - You’re drinking breast milk

The more you know.. Thanks! ?

[Daenelia]

I have to say, I do miss 'blood and bloody ashes'. Or is that just because I often use bloody myself, I wonder.

 

I am okay with any swear and curse words, really. I have no problem with either choice. But just one bloody ashes would make me happy.

 

 

[DaddyFinn]

From AMA in Reddit. This was no surprise. WAFO.

 

 

 

[Still Trench]

15 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

From AMA in Reddit. This was no surprise. WAFO.

 

 

 

I have now been RAFO’d by RJ, Brandon and WAFO’d by Rafe. 
 

it’s WOT fan trifecta. 

[Dozer]

Well that ticks one box.  Good news.  Uno for President!!