DM Will Likely Crash During My Game Mafia - Game thread! [STANDARD]

[TrippedOnReality]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

 

 

You think he buffed Mafia twice? 

 

Nah

 

Why even say something like this? 

 

I don't think it's likely.  But I didn't think it was super likely that he'd put in a strongman either.  It basically makes JK useless unless JK happens to JK the strongman.  

[Zander?]

I feel like AJ like tripped...fml I hate not having ISO

[Zander?]

@TrippedOnReality

 

Might want you to claim before DL but not yet for sure...wanna see what @Aquilla has to say first.

[Zander?]

But I gotta hit the sack guys.

[Zander?]

Wanna see everyone's top suspect and why please.

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I don't think it's likely.  But I didn't think it was super likely that he'd put in a strongman either.  It basically makes JK useless unless JK happens to JK the strongman.  

 

Problem here is that he didn't name BFG Strongman. He used the term "Armor Piercing". 

 

One is an actual role. The other is mod flavor that doesn't have to imply other roles.

 

The fact that you've seized this as an opportunity to spec on additional roles is not a good look. You shoulda been strengthening your case, but you flew off into the "what if" direction. 

[TrippedOnReality]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

Because you've been very active for a first gamer. And because AJ always squinted at you - go back and look at his posts. You pulled that mammoth post thing and you've been leader with no real results the whole game. 

 

I figure you need looking at. You shouldn't have a problem with that.  

 

It's my first game here.  Not my first game ever.  lol, you think I should ISO AJ for what reason?  And I could argue you've been active and not had much for results either so I'm not really sure what your point is.  But you can look at me all you want, and I said as much. 

[DPR]

9 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

It's my first game here.  Not my first game ever.  lol, you think I should ISO AJ for what reason?  And I could argue you've been active and not had much for results either so I'm not really sure what your point is.  But you can look at me all you want, and I said as much. 

 

This doesn't match at all with your earlier confidence. 

 

Everybody else is out now, so I'm going to turn in. We'll pick it up tomorrow. 

[TrippedOnReality]

15 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

Problem here is that he didn't name BFG Strongman. He used the term "Armor Piercing". 

 

One is an actual role. The other is mod flavor that doesn't have to imply other roles.

 

The fact that you've seized this as an opportunity to spec on additional roles is not a good look. You shoulda been strengthening your case, but you flew off into the "what if" direction. 

 

BFG's flip literally said "Kills you submit on protected players will succeeded."  That's not flavor.  That's a role description. 

[TrippedOnReality]

24 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

@TrippedOnReality

 

Might want you to claim before DL but not yet for sure...wanna see what @Aquilla has to say first.

 

That's fine.

[TrippedOnReality]

Strongest scum read: DPR because if I trust Sooh clearing Aquilla, DPR looks next worst based on his interactions with BFG.

 

BFG was trying to give DPR a townread D1 and got quite a bit of pushback on it from Zander, Sooh, Darthe, and AJ.  DPR didn't react to what most people thought was an undeserved townread at all, and even when I questioned him on it he was somewhat vague in his response saying he's used to people having a strong opinion on him one way or the other.  

The only thing he really had going for him so far was that BFG gave him her only town read which I thought was unlikely to come from scum!BFG if they were teamed.  I think just about everyone who posted a reads list except BFG, had DPR in their bottom 3 D1.

Most of DPR's interactions with BFG D1 were really weak and revolved around their slightly differing read on Aquilla.

 

His focus on Darthe's thing well after other people were trying to move away from it and actually scumhunt isn't a great look for him either.  He actively worked against the BFG wagon on D1 as well, even before she claimed doctor. 

 

After Krak claimed, he tried to move the wagon to AJ without questioning there being two protective roles in the game.  Argues to save BFG over Krak because her game has been cleaner, but AJ responds saying it's been an absentee ballet.  AJ and DPR go back and forth a bit about it.

 

Also, BFG calling Krak out for changing his vote from BFG to DPR would make more sense if she was trying to a) make Krak look shady and b) make sure the second wagon didn't end up on a teammate in case it ended up going random.  Always better to have a 50% chance at not losing a teammate over 100% chance. 

 

Start of D2, DPR pushes AJ for voting BFG.  AJ asks why BFG is town if you ignore the claim.  And rather than answer AJ why BFG is town, he switches focus back to mechanics asking AJ how he thinks the game is set up.  AJ suggests JK9, later DPR tries to shade him for not mentioning it earlier because AJ supposedly recognized the setup and that somehow we might have saved the JK if only AJ had suggested JK9 at the time. 

 

DPR then tries to delay lynching "doc" BFG and having the tracker track BFG, even before we know for sure there even is a tracker.  Even after a couple of people try to explain that there is no way to know if there is a tracker for sure, DPR keeps trying to shade AJ for knowing the setup and not saying it sooner.

 

And then there are these two posts:  First he says he doesn't think he's ever played with BFG as scum.  And then later says, there's truth to AJ's comment about her not enjoying being scum.  Which, it's possibly he could be aware of her preference for town, but one of AJ's first post in D2 was to point out DPR's lack of experience with scum!BFG, so it's a little weird to me how he'd know she doesn't prefer being scum if he's never played with her when she's been scum unless they've discussed meta outside of the game.  Which is entirely possible, but if that were the case, I'm not sure he fights AJ's scum read on BFG that hard if he knows she doesn't like playing scum.  He also tried to defend her not being around as NAI, but didn't do that for anyone else who was less active. 

 

On 6/22/2018 at 5:36 PM, DPR said:

 

I don’t think I’ve ever played with BFG as scum, so there’s that.

 

I’m an active and aggressive player - I’m used to being on one reads list or another pretty much all the time. 

 

I get called scum A LOT. Sometimes I am... 

 

Which is to say that my activity and transparency might give BFG a townnlean. Or, because a number of folks have her as scum, she *knows* I’m town and wants to build equity there. 

 

Kind of a basic play for her I’d think, but it is what it is.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 11:59 AM, DPR said:

 

Thing about it that bugs me is that there is truth to AJ's statement that BFG does not enjoy playing scum. Under that scenario, I can see where a bus plan might help to cover some behavioral tells that might otherwise standout. 

 

Please also remember that Darthe started the BFG train and the scum team blowing it up on D1 is not a bad idea - it buys her time before folks revisit that suss. It was just dumb luck that Krak got called out and had to reveal. If he hadn't been a jail keeper, she wouldn't look nearly as bad right now. 

 

Vote DPR

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, DPR said:

 

 

We're obviously at a standoff. Sooh jumped out first and went for the low-hanging fruit without committing to it - that a good look for her? 

Since when are you a low hanging fruit?

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, Zanatron said:

@Sooh

 

Am curious tho...why Aquilla over say DPR or myself?

Because I was coming down hard on Aquilla yesterday, and because I felt like if he was town he would have a hard time clearing himself, so he was either the last mafia, or an easy mislynch. I was trying to avoid F3. When yesterday ended it was always in Aquilla/DPR for me, so I tried to clear/convict one of them.

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, TrippedOnReality said:

Just got home.  I think DPR looks the worst if Sooh is clearing Aquilla.  Sooh could be mafia trying to pocket Aquilla and get clear by claiming a faked clear, in which case Aquilla is still town.  But mostly I think Sooh is town based on her interactions with BFG.  Would like to hear her entire claim though.  Given mafia had at least one modified killing role, there is no guarantee they don't have more than one.  

I am a tracker. N1 I tracked DPR to nowhere. N2 I tracked Aquilla to nowhere.

 

N1 BFG could have made the kill as she was already under heavy suspicion.

N2 only the final mafia could have made the kill, and since Aquilla did nothing he's not the killer.

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, DPR said:

 

This doesn't seem improbable.

 

In that view clear Sooh, clear Aquilla. 

 

I'm VT. If you're VT, we look at Tripped. 

 

This looks like a Zanderpocket.

 

Are you pocketed, Z?

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I don't disagree that it sounds like Sooh is claiming tracker.  But mafia could have a ninja kill, too.  Idk that Chris would give mafia both a ninja and a strongman, but it's not out of the question.

I find that highly unlikely tbh.

[Sooh]

7 hours ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I don't think it's likely.  But I didn't think it was super likely that he'd put in a strongman either.  It basically makes JK useless unless JK happens to JK the strongman.  

I guess the flip doesn't mention if it's a one shot, which possibly would be better for the setup. I mean, it could still be, it's just not in the flip. Anyway, it's possible Chris felt a JK was too strong a role and wanted to nerf it a bit.

[Sooh]

6 hours ago, DPR said:

 

Problem here is that he didn't name BFG Strongman. He used the term "Armor Piercing". 

 

One is an actual role. The other is mod flavor that doesn't have to imply other roles.

 

The fact that you've seized this as an opportunity to spec on additional roles is not a good look. You shoulda been strengthening your case, but you flew off into the "what if" direction. 

This feels so slimy I don't even know what to say about it. 

 

Just... no. 

 

Vote: DPR

[DPR]

Sooh, I need you to unvote me. We have all day to do this - we have to wait until deadline anyway - so don't leave me at L1 while we can still analyze.

 

I'm VT. You lose nothing by viewing the game through that perspective for a bit. I'll do the best I can for the town and it ain't like I'm going anywhere. 

 

 

[Sooh]

There's no hammer option, so no, I won't unvote you.

[DPR]

True. I keep forgetting that. 

[Sooh]

Why is it never Zander for you, DPR?

[Sooh]

@Aquilla

 

I know you're cleared, but I'd like to hear from you this phase. <3

[DPR]

You willing to look at this outside of me lynch today? 

 

You called my post above "slimy", but if Chris had wanted BFG to have a role, wouldn't he have just called her "Strongman"? By calling it a role instead of just a description, my first thought was that it was a play to misdirect the game into thinking that maybe there were other Town roles outside of the JK9 setup. And, sure enough, Tripped then went on to talk about Ninja kills.

 

My thought is that if you are Tracker, and it looks like that's what we are playing, then the last Mafia *has* to avoid being tracked tonight. Even if I'm mislynched, you still have a day left.  

 

Question for you: why didn't you track me again N2 if I was your top suspect? 

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Why is it never Zander for you, DPR?

 

I think we have to strongly consider that we are playing a JK9 setup. Zan has been comfortable with that and now you are claiming Tracker. AJ wasn't overly concerned about either of you, and a lot of that is because he was distracted by me (and that's a separate thing, but sometimes it helps to focus on one person and watch the rest of the game out of the corner of your eye). 

 

Aquilla feels frustrated, which is appropriate for a player newer to the board. 

 

And if you are the Tracker, than I gotta say last scum is Tripped.