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[Cass]

50 minutes ago, amegakure said:

This is the only thing i found. It takes care of me. Which I addressed already. Your using an old meta for your vote. Weak. 

 

I asked for your reads on other players not named dice/eldrick. If you use meta what do you think of the players who seem unusually quiet right now? Could scum be using the opportunity to lay low? How bout BG he had some posts since this one what are you thoughts on them? How bout Darthe he did as well.

 

Basically dont say im ignoring posts and then act confused when you do the same? 

 

First bold is incorrect and explained further above, and it's not just old meta? I'm comparing your start to last game? lmk if you still have a problem with it.

 

You can ask me for reads on specific players all you like - I've already explained why I focus on Dice/Eldrick, if you don't want to take that on board it's up to you. 

 

Scum could be using the opportunity to lay low, or they could be using the opportunity to lead, IMO it depends on who they are. What is the point of this question?

 

I'm working on the 'unusually quiet'. First Kat, now you :P

 

Thoughts on BG's posts are that they're currently fluff/nothing developed, and they should be dug into in time.

And I've given my opinions/thoughts on Darthe? I don't have to have said it for it to be in my brain :P

 

 

 

 

Bottom bold - There's a different "ignoring" in not having commented on something/given opinions yet on random things in this thread state (both of us)

 

and pushing for specific reads for things from a player with general shade when the answers exists in the same terms above, which is what I have the biggest problem with.

 

[Eldrick4221]

Thinking about how it feels like Amega isn't even considering dice/me as v/v. Thinking about my reason for going after dice.

 

The way dice dealt with what was apparently a joke just doesn't add up, and is bugging the hell out of me, but I'm not as sure as I was that it's  scummy .

 

I don't know what to call it. Like the suddenly calling it humor feels like backpedalling , but why would scum even go through all that effort in the first place if they were just gonna drop it later? Unprovoked.

 

Unvote

[Cass]

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I meant different sides of reading dice, not opposing points.

 

So dice is town iyo because of that phrase alone?

 

I haven't seen him use terminology like that in either alignment, and don't see how it attributes to 99.999999996% town.

 

Eldrick2 

 

13 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Fwiw I don't have an issue with Amega's read on darthe. Darthe hadn't really said much to gauge a read on before his back and forth with me (except obviously for the Miller claim bit, but amega didn't interact with that)

 

Reads start somewhere. Him starting having a read from Darthe's first real contribution is perfectly fine in my book. You don't have to be directly involved to like/dislike something.

 

That being said, I'm nodding my head with your other points, so /shrug 

 

Eldrick2 

 

8 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Also worth pointing out his read on Darthe was before mine. It felt genuine and not sheeping.

 

His read/vote on dice is more murky.

 

@amegakure Why did you "have to choose between dice/me"? You could have went looking for scum anywhere, but you make it sound like there wasn't even a chance in your mind this was v/v and you had to take a side.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Agree with the first bold and I'm back and forth.

 

Not saying it can't be genuine, but I don't see the specifics there yet to back it up, and the contrast of 'feeling better about' when he hadn't mentioned feeling bad even when questioned for early opinions is eugh. 

 

Waiting for his replies.

 

Second bold

IIRC came after your unvote, and BG calling it null.

What felt genuine and not sheeping about it to you? 

 

 

Cass7

[Eldrick4221]

It didn't feel like sheeping because there wasn't a read yet TO sheep.

 

My unvote didn't impart a town read, just that my reason for voting wasn't an issue anymore. I hadn't reached that point yet, and if Amega got a town read from it, that's all him.

 

I can't really explain how it feels genuine, it just does. Just because he didn't say he wasn't feeling good about Darthe doesn't mean he wasn't. His feeling better about Darthe was in line with my own, so I liked it. It's actually the push I needed to realize it myself. 

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

10 minutes ago, Cass said:

Not saying it can't be genuine, but I don't see the specifics there yet to back it up, and the contrast of 'feeling better about' when he hadn't mentioned feeling bad even when questioned for early opinions is eugh.

 

Missed that bit. That is eugh.

 

Eldrick2 

[amegakure]

There is alot to get to here. Ill reply to that in abit. 

 

Cass you seem to feel im obligated to give you everything you ask for. If im playing something close to the chest. I'm going to. Im also not going to say vague reads that don't really say anything like "darthe is feeling off but it's just a gut feel. Need to see more". 

[Cass]

9 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Thinking about how it feels like Amega isn't even considering dice/me as v/v. Thinking about my reason for going after dice.

 

The way dice dealt with what was apparently a joke just doesn't add up, and is bugging the hell out of me, but I'm not as sure as I was that it's  scummy .

 

I don't know what to call it. Like the suddenly calling it humor feels like backpedalling , but why would scum even go through all that effort in the first place if they were just gonna drop it later? Unprovoked.

 

Unvote

 

I still don't think the 'joke/humour/serious' part is the main focus /shrug. Dice made a suuuuper early W/W call - could be scum pushing, could be genuine off the cuff Town thought/lolearlycall, in both cases it could also be 'let's see what bites'/how far it goes and I don't see much effort/dropping either way?

[Cass]

3 minutes ago, amegakure said:

There is alot to get to here. Ill reply to that in abit. 

 

Cass you seem to feel im obligated to give you everything you ask for. If im playing something close to the chest. I'm going to. Im also not going to say vague reads that don't really say anything like "darthe is feeling off but it's just a gut feel. Need to see more". 

 

Bold is fair and part of my consideration - I'm not saying you have to do those things at all. But I'll throw out questions and ask for them/see what people offer anyway.

 

Were you playing something close to the chest/was Darthe feeling off to you?

[Cass]

Cass7 ^ Lightdarnitsorryppl

[Eldrick4221]

22 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

I still don't think the 'joke/humour/serious' part is the main focus /shrug. Dice made a suuuuper early W/W call - could be scum pushing, could be genuine off the cuff Town thought/lolearlycall, in both cases it could also be 'let's see what bites'/how far it goes and I don't see much effort/dropping either way?

 

Could have been for that. If it was, I feel he did it poorly.

[amegakure]

2 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

That's the only one I could find too, though to be fair I dont see how she could have a read outside the 3 of us besides Darthe, who she has also covered.

 

You mention BG. You've been able to garner a read from what he's said so far? Cuz I sure haven't. 

   Honestly haven't gotten a look at his posts yet. I skimmed through. Will look momentarily. Not the most analytical so i like to feed off what other people think and decide if i feel what they are saying is helpful or not. 

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Also worth pointing out his read on Darthe was before mine. It felt genuine and not sheeping.

 

His read/vote on dice is more murky.

 

@amegakure Why did you "have to choose between dice/me"? You could have went looking for scum anywhere, but you make it sound like there wasn't even a chance in your mind this was v/v and you had to take a side.

 

Eldrick2 

I choose you two because your active. I didn't think Cass or Darthe had contributed enough to be worth pressure. I saw your interactions as a way to 1) figure out if you were going ham as town or trying to find an easy lynch as scum and also to figure out how i felt about dice and his bait drop. Everyone else is being quiet and like i said before im not going to find something scummy in a hand full of post or lose it over some poor word choice. I dont think thats how i can scum hunt effectively. 

1 hour ago, Cass said:

 

First bold is incorrect and explained further above, and it's not just old meta? I'm comparing your start to last game? lmk if you still have a problem with it.  The last game was my first in a year and it was terrible. I dont believe i hung back either i jumped into that mess with cory/shad/kaylee and ended up getting lynched for it. The important part is i knew scum was in that group. Although i couldn't effectively make my case. This game i figured i should try to not do the same thing over again. I will always make an active attempt to do something completely different in games now on. I'm not a fan of using meta. 

 

You can ask me for reads on specific players all you like - I've already explained why I focus on Dice/Eldrick, if you don't want to take that on board it's up to you. Thats fine. How about Darthe now that me and eldrick both feel the same. Do you have another perspective you can share?

 

Scum could be using the opportunity to lay low, or they could be using the opportunity to lead, IMO it depends on who they are. What is the point of this question? I was just pointing out there where things you could have said as well but chose not to. We are all entitled to not answer if we choose. 

 

I'm working on the 'unusually quiet'. First Kat, now you :P Like i said haven't been unusually quiet i've been watching an waiting for something tangible to talk about, not posting memes and gifs :) In fact if you are using my old meta not last game. I was always quite. So you shouldn't rely on that. 

 

Thoughts on BG's posts are that they're currently fluff/nothing developed, and they should be dug into in time.

And I've given my opinions/thoughts on Darthe? I don't have to have said it for it to be in my brain :P oh really..

 

 

 

Bottom bold - There's a different "ignoring" in not having commented on something/given opinions yet on random things in this thread state (both of us)

 

and pushing for specific reads for things from a player with general shade when the answers exists in the same terms above, which is what I have the biggest problem with. Im not sure what you are saying here

 

 

18 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Bold is fair and part of my consideration - I'm not saying you have to do those things at all. But I'll throw out questions and ask for them/see what people offer anyway.

 

Were you playing something close to the chest/was Darthe feeling off to you?

With darthe no. Dice/eldrick yes.

 

I got darthe as scum just from the way he acted towards me first thing once. Didn't get the chance to lynch him though. I was right about him last game to. I feel i can read darthe pretty well. 

[Cass]

3 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Could have been for that. If it was, I feel he did it poorly.

 

How does that equate to 'serious/effort/dropping'?

[amegakure]

15 hours ago, bgrishinko said:

 

Do my eyes perceive a Slip? Probably just a poor choice of words. But I cannot ignore this.

 

What is the point of saying this. You cant ignore it? Its not different that Calder labeling himself as the Scum Who Was Promised. (super epic btw) Its fluff and darthe being sarcastic. 

 

The 3 posts above amused me simply because of the timing of him calling out people maybe pretending to forget tagging their posts as a scum maneuver... then immediately forgets to tag his next post. lol

Kinda feel like Darthe said/did that as bait. Scum would jump on the opportunity. 

 

Bg could be leaning scum for me but this is only one post im not going to rush anything. Im still pretty settled on dice.
4. BG (2/50) <---- stealing this post count number idea.

 

[amegakure]

ah shoot i forgot to bold.

 

[Eldrick4221]

9 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

How does that equate to 'serious/effort/dropping'?

 

That post was a little hard to parse through. Got the sense you thought it was a reaction test, and that's what I agreed with (and thought was done poorly).

 

Not sure what you're trying to equate to "serious/effort/dropping"

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

11 minutes ago, amegakure said:

Do my eyes perceive a Slip? Probably just a poor choice of words. But I cannot ignore this.

 

What is the point of saying this. You cant ignore it? Its not different that Calder labeling himself as the Scum Who Was Promised. (super epic btw) Its fluff and darthe being sarcastic.

 

The 3 posts above amused me simply because of the timing of him calling out people maybe pretending to forget tagging their posts as a scum maneuver... then immediately forgets to tag his next post. lol

Kinda feel like Darthe said/did that as bait. Scum would jump on the opportunity.

 

Bg could be leaning scum for me but this is only one post im not going to rush anything. Im still pretty settled on dice.
4. BG (2/50) <---- stealing this post count number idea.

 

Formatted it from memory. Don't remember which of you said the italicized. 

 

This isn't much to go on. Could be scum shading. Could just be early post picking at stuff that caught attention and not really solving yet.

 

I don't know how much stock I can put in the first one. He might not even be serious.

 

I commented on the second one. It was NAI and amusing he promptly forgot.

 

FTR, please don't edit a quote. There are no nested quotes, and quoting you was a huge hassle.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

>.>

 

I miss post preview.

[Cass]

@amegakure

Wrt your explanation of differences between this game and last

KK/ta. FWIW personally meta for me is more important in context with knowing a person and how they typically think more than just what they do/don't do. Game patterns are dubious for so many reasons, but sometimes useful threads can be picked from them, and can be a good place to look in low activity - both for understanding, pattern and discussion. 

The time when I was considering other-game observations as a decent part of my thoughts on you was when your entry shook me, your follow up activity was essentially fluff then 'no comment yet'. The more you contribute, the more I look at this game.

[Cass]

Cass7 

[Cass]

@amegakure

 

WRT

"That's fine. How about Darthe now that me and eldrick both feel the same. Do you have another perspective you can share?"

I'm not sure what you mean by this? My perspective on Darthe is unlikely to develop/change until he contributes more himself. Do you have issues with the thoughts I've already given on him to here?

 

Cass7

[amegakure]

hmm whatever works for you

 

[Darthe]

1. Darthe 

 

This is a whole lot of talk that I'm getting very little from.  I do have a couple of quick questions though.  

 

Why is dice so suspect?  I'm not seeing a root for that like at all and it's real tempting to say that this thread is full of forced pushes rn and discount these things because of it.

 

Are we still using ISO tags?

[Darthe]

Also please keep talking about me <3 my internal need for attention is the only reason I wake in the morning.

[Cass]

@amegakure

 

Like i said haven't been unusually quiet i've been watching an waiting for something tangible to talk about, not posting memes and gifs :) In fact if you are using my old meta not last game. I was always quite. So you shouldn't rely on that. 

a) as above - not relying on your old meta

b) there is nothing wrong with memes and gifs 

 

 

Cass7

[Darthe]

2 minutes ago, amegakure said:

hmm whatever works for you

 

Hey you seem to have an excess of opinions.  Do me a favor and give me one of those cliche lists so that I can flame you for it not aligning perfectly with my thoughts.