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[amegakure]

Hmm I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure about dices switch he was after me with a rabid intensity and was demanding my lynch but he seemed to follow darthes lead. 

[Eldrick4221]

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't think we should be going amega rn,

 

I'm here, just got back from a loan. 

 

18 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

why darthe?

 

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't have a great explanation for that btw, it's just gut.

 

We have enough to Lynch anyone.

 

What do y'all think?

 

18 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

this seems to be the current vc.

 

im not keen on lynching inactives d1

 

my number 2 would be eldrick right now

 

18 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

dammit.

 

fine unvote vote calder

 

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

I could go Calder or eldrick.

 

How is this "following Darthe"?

[Eldrick4221]

@dicetosser1 why am I your #2?

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

How did you go from wanting Amega dead all day to #1 Calder #2 Eldrick?

 

Eldrick2 

[amegakure]

19 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

hes scum and i want him lynched, hes done nothing. his posts all have a defensive tone. and yet all he can go on about is omgus and a supposed backpedal.

 

 

language please.

when i read this i see this 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't think we should be going amega rn,

 

I'm here, just got back from a loan. 

 

 Dice asks why 

 

 

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't have a great explanation for that btw, it's just gut.

 

We have enough to Lynch anyone.

 

What do y'all think?

Honest enough and a correct assumption but for someone who is fill with such conviction as dice....

18 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

dammit.

 

fine unvote vote calder

 

I find this odd with the mechanics of the game he could have left his vote where it was and one of use would have been randed, if darthe hadn't cast a vote, or he could have kept his vote where it was. There wasn't a huge need between the two if he thought we were both scum. At that point in time did he honestly think he had found two wolves? 

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah I don't get why he switched. But if you are town, he went from town train to town train and there's nothing scummy about that.

There's the small factor of worrying about a pile on his own train, and getting Calder's bigger in a self-pres attempt, but that's meh. It was minutes before dl. 

I don't think his EoD actions are scummy.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

Sorry for missing DL.

 

Tbh, I'm pretty annoyed at Calder because he put YOLO/ego and future Scum games ahead of this one and the outcome of D1.

 

It doesn't even matter who the vote was on to me, if he'd put it ITT earlier or cared about the outcome or likely response at any point, he could have avoided that mislynch. 

 

 

Cass7

[Cass]

11 hours ago, amegakure said:

@Darthe why eldrick? Besides Caldar not helping his case and getting lynched why do you think wolves won d1? Was thre an interaction that got your attention? 

 

Should we consider calders read on cass? 

 

10 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Yes we should consider it, but it carries as much weight as any townie. He had a gut feeling on her, and never expressed why. It's practically null.

 

That's partly why I was digging at him. His read was pointless without knowing why he felt that way. She's as much of a potential scum as she was before he died.

 

Eldrick2 

 

 

FWIW, No, you shouldn't consider his read on me. 

 

You should consider your own opinions of my personality and play, independent of his.

 

 

Him being so 'sure' without expressing why is not just null, it's also detrimental because of the idea of 'something sure, unknown and bad' associated with me rather than things that can be independently processed without the bias of his flip.

 

There's automatically this idea that we were at odds, << something bad exists (but he was definitely good, so maybe she really is the bad)>> and it underlies perception from there. Which is dangerous.

 

Eg. Eldrick before Calder's flip you had me 'likely Towny', even talking to him at EoD. 

But the wording here post flip is 'she's as much of a potential Scum'.

 

Why?

 

In reality nothing's changed with me, I haven't even posted another thought, but it has with your base perception or how you reference me ITT. Because he was at odds with me, and died, and flipped Town.

 

But I'm Town too, just sayin'.

 

Amega, why would you focus on this? It shouldn't even be a thing.

[Eldrick4221]

7 minutes ago, Cass said:

if he'd put it ITT earlier or cared about the outcome or likely response at any point, he could have avoided that mislynch.

 

Seriously.

[Eldrick4221]

6 minutes ago, Cass said:

Eg. Eldrick before Calder's flip you had me 'likely Towny', even talking to him at EoD. 

But the wording here post flip is 'she's as much of a potential Scum'.

 

Why?

 

Because you are potentially scum. You are also likely town. These are not mutually exclusive.

 

He may have seen something that pinged him as you being scum. We will never know. It's a consideration to keep in the back of my mind, but it's not a major factor at all.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

I don't think there would be a point to Scum Dice switching , unless he was scumming with Amega and there's some weird stubborn-distance-to-the-last-minute-and-switch gambit going on between them, and even I can put that level of tinfoil down.

 

I can't tell by the timestamp of 'x hrs ago' with no minutes, but Amega says votes were simultaneous - were they?

 

(From Dice/Darthe/Amega ?)

 

Depending on timing, Darthe and Amega's could be about pres.

 

[Eldrick4221]

10 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

She's as much of a potential scum as she was before he died.

 

 

8 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I like Cass so far, but she's one that is easier to figure out later. Not gonna forget that Calder thought she was scum for #reasons, but not gonna let it be a large factor because we don't know why.

 

My wording.

"As much as before" meaning it hasn't affected my read.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

5 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Seriously.

 

It bothers me extra because it's D1. I know that's dumb, but I hate the belief that D1 doesn't really matter, or that it's unlikely to catch a wolf just because there's not a lot to go on. In a lot of cases it just takes collaboration and effort, it's like giving up before you've even begun and missing out on the most rewarding shot.

 

Anyway, moving on.

[amegakure]

they were it was epic.

 

i wasn't focusing? i just asked a question?

[Eldrick4221]

D1 has a serious stigma of not mattering, and it so does. A lot of info can be gleaned from D1. During D1.

 

Eldrick2 

[amegakure]

shad and cory got a wolf day one but cleared another as town. So anythings possible. 

 

@Cass what do you mean " Darthe and Amega's could be about pres"

[Cass]

3 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

 

My wording.

"As much as before" meaning it hasn't affected my read.

 

Eldrick2 

 

 

But he (Amega) didn't mention anything about Scum. He mentioned 'read'. 

 

Your reads about me before were Towny. Sure, the possibility for Scum exists, but your focus was on the more likely (according to your independent/pre-flip read) 'Towny" side of things.

 

It's a subtle thing.

 

You could just as easily have said "She's as much a potential Towny as she was before he died."

 

But the focus has changed.

[Cass]

^Cass7

[Eldrick4221]

Well I'm going to bed now. Hope D2 is better.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

2 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

 

But he (Amega) didn't mention anything about Scum. He mentioned 'read'. 

 

Your reads about me before were Towny. Sure, the possibility for Scum exists, but your focus was on the more likely (according to your independent/pre-flip read) 'Towny" side of things.

 

It's a subtle thing.

 

You could just as easily have said "She's as much a potential Towny as she was before he died."

 

But the focus has changed.

 

He asked who I wanted to lynch. That gave the context of how much I wanted to lynch each person.

 

You are currently last on that list, but it still includes you. I'm sorry if the wording is confusing. Focus is dependant on the topic in question.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

2 minutes ago, amegakure said:

shad and cory got a wolf day one but cleared another as town. So anythings possible. 

 

@Cass what do you mean " Darthe and Amega's could be about pres"

 

If I can train study effectively

and I often can't because mechanics aren't as fun as people

, 

 

The trains were tied you/Calder.

 

If all the votes happened simultaneously

 

Dice was voting you and part of the tie. The only player he's possibly preserving by switching is you, and that's unlikely.

 

Darthe and yourself also both switched to Calder, with the effect of saving you.

 

?
 

[Cass]

Cass7^

[Eldrick4221]

I guess saying it didn't change my read is untrue. It changed it slightly, as all information does. It's not an influential change, but it's not "the same as before".

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

He had a reason for voting you. We don't know what it is. It could, for all we know, have been a random choice.

 

But it's likely he had a game-related reason. So it slightly matters that he chose you, but what you do vastly outweigh it.

 

Sorry I'm harping on it. It's what I do.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

 

Ok, I took it as a general question following the flip, not specifically related to the earlier discussion about WTL since it was on a new page like 8 hours later and only a couple of posts after the flip

 

 

11 hours ago, amegakure said:

@Darthe why eldrick? Besides Caldar not helping his case and getting lynched why do you think wolves won d1? Was thre an interaction that got your attention? 

 

Should we consider calders read on cass? 

 

Just tacked onto the end of a question to Darthe.