[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Verbal32]

AJ opened D2 with WIFOM! Sooh suggested it, Nyn and I discussed it, and then he killed all three of us and immediately picked it up and started running with it, trying to defuse and discredit it while relying upon it for victory. It likely would have worked had I not been subbed back in and begun challenging him on it. It still might work. He has played a brilliant game, and so have you. Props to you, but I will not concede.

 

There was no reason to expand the read. What expansion do you need? Different levels of scumminess? Your name in brighter shades of red? You have been my scum read since D1, and you were a solid lynch against AJ both days, so why bother further with you, when it was AJ who was carrying the baton for the scum team? He's the horse you guys have placed your bets on, so he's the one to stop.

 

Yuck, I hate when people say this.  This is a scummy argument, dude.

 

 

 

 

It happens to some people. Others don sub out. Depends on the person but it'd happened enough to get its own acronym

Meh, I think it is more likely that one or two "high profile" players said it and it immediately went into canon.

[BFG]

I've answered all of the questions. For three days, you have asked me the same questions over and over and received the same answers. You're a scum stump, and I'm growing tired of your logic loop.

 

I don't recall putting forth any deep arguments on D1. Probably the best one I had was to let me play instead of Sooh because I need the town practice. Since then, the layout of the game has been obvious, and that is the only argument that anyone has presented since N1. The only difference is in who the scum team is, not what the scum play is. I say the scum team is you and AJ, and you say my arguments lack depth, even though your arguments are the same, except that in them, you and AJ are town. Impasse...

My arguments aren't the same at all and have nothing to do with game speculation. I've literally just outlined my reads (which is the reasons for my scum team in case that's not obvious)

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

I think Nyn was pushing that more, and AJ just kindof lamely agreed with it.

Could be isn't a town read from either and besides the point is Lenlo wasn't being voted because he was losing to apathy, he was being voted because he was scum read. So his change in reactions make no sense

 

 

I wasn't disagreeing, I was more affirming what actually happened

[Verbal32]

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals.  Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG.  Makes no sense.  It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back.  Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky.  Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

[BFG]

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

And this is why I spent Sunday ISOing AJ in this game and several others. My read may be wrong, but I'm not going to beat myself up if it is, I will beat myself up if I give in to tinfoil and am wrong

[Andrej]

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I really don’t have much to say about it other than I think you’re wrong about the scum team absolutely pairing D1. Aquilla subbed in for Rand so he didn’t have a say but SK isn’t a bad matchup for scum to win. Neither is Lenlo/LZM.

 

It goes back to D1 when Lenlo made that comment that threw shade at everyone but no one in particular, about how the matchups had to come from a DM homer because of you/Nyn and me/BFG and knowing those would be good matchups to knock out strong townies early on.

[Aquilla]

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals.  Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG.  Makes no sense.  It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back.  Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky.  Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

 

Splitting up the team is usually the better play in my opinion. You have a greater chance of losing, but also a better chance of winning, and if you lose, you probably would've lost a matchup down the road. The hesitance with this is that AJ directly said he thought pairing against each other was better.

[Aquilla]

 

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

And this is why I spent Sunday ISOing AJ in this game and several others. My read may be wrong, but I'm not going to beat myself up if it is, I will beat myself up if I give in to tinfoil and am wrong

 

 

that is fair, I won't hold it against you if you're town and wrong

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

I think Nyn was pushing that more, and AJ just kindof lamely agreed with it.

Could be isn't a town read from either and besides the point is Lenlo wasn't being voted because he was losing to apathy, he was being voted because he was scum read. So his change in reactions make no sense

Please, could be town is basically town leaning someone.

 

Tell me why I was wolfy BFG? Tell me how my D1 effort was more lynch worthy than self voting apathy

[Andrej]

Pairing against each other D2 was better because in that event you’re guaranteed to go up against one of the D1 winners otherwise.

 

Aka me :)

[Aquilla]

I'm blind to how most matchups would go d1 so I don't really have any general logic towards that, other than what I've already stated.

[Aquilla]

Pairing against each other D2 was better because in that event you’re guaranteed to go up against one of the D1 winners otherwise.

 

Aka me :)

 

the logic you had for D2 also works for D1 technically, as you could just rez the loser.

[BFG]

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

[Aquilla]

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

 

 

so then why'd you get subbed in?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

I think Nyn was pushing that more, and AJ just kindof lamely agreed with it.

Could be isn't a town read from either and besides the point is Lenlo wasn't being voted because he was losing to apathy, he was being voted because he was scum read. So his change in reactions make no sense

Please, could be town is basically town leaning someone.

 

Tell me why I was wolfy BFG? Tell me how my D1 effort was more lynch worthy than self voting apathy

I'm the wrong person to ask. I voted you to even trains to get info and was open that that was the ONLY reason. My serious vote on your lineup was on lzm :/

[BFG]

 

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

so then why'd you get subbed in?

Because you didn't know who the symp was I've literally said this at least twice already

[Lenlo]

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

I appreciate the vote of confidence BFG, but your over estimating me here.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

so then why'd you get subbed in?

Because you didn't know who the symp was I've literally said this at least twice already

 

 

if we didn't know who the symp was, why not just sub in SK then :P

[Verbal32]

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I really don’t have much to say about it other than I think you’re wrong about the scum team absolutely pairing D1. Aquilla subbed in for Rand so he didn’t have a say but SK isn’t a bad matchup for scum to win. Neither is Lenlo/LZM.

 

It goes back to D1 when Lenlo made that comment that threw shade at everyone but no one in particular, about how the matchups had to come from a DM homer because of you/Nyn and me/BFG and knowing those would be good matchups to knock out strong townies early on.

 

 

But each pairing had a home DMer in it....

[Aquilla]

If it was theoretically me and Lenlo (which I explained on d2 why I didn't think it would've been a good idea for the goons to pair) then why would we sub you in over the dead weight SK (no offense meant at all)

[BFG]

 

 

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

And this is why I spent Sunday ISOing AJ in this game and several others. My read may be wrong, but I'm not going to beat myself up if it is, I will beat myself up if I give in to tinfoil and am wrong

that is fair, I won't hold it against you if you're town and wrong

<3

 

I hope you play again :)

 

Ftr I'm going to be here at deadline in case of shenanigans :/

[Aquilla]

 

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I really don’t have much to say about it other than I think you’re wrong about the scum team absolutely pairing D1. Aquilla subbed in for Rand so he didn’t have a say but SK isn’t a bad matchup for scum to win. Neither is Lenlo/LZM.

 

It goes back to D1 when Lenlo made that comment that threw shade at everyone but no one in particular, about how the matchups had to come from a DM homer because of you/Nyn and me/BFG and knowing those would be good matchups to knock out strong townies early on.

 

 

But each pairing had a home DMer in it....

 

 

is there any non-home DMer's besides me (actually my home site technically is DM)

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

I still think the D1 pairings contained both scum in a matchup.

 

 

If AJ/BFG scum team, then same thing as D1 - they pit themselves against each other to ensure 1 makes it to Finals. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

If Lenlo/LZM, they would have subbed SK back in, not BFG. Makes no sense. It would also mean one of AJ/Aquilla is the symp, and I see no evidence of hinting in a way that scum would have known that.

 

If SK/Aquilla, the matchup for D2 makes sense, but only in that it is very risky leaving SK out and bring BFG back. Aquilla could easily have lost to Lenlo, and leaving the game on that 1 matchup is very risky. Symp largely irrelevant.

 

 

 

@everybody

 

please tear this theory apart

I disagree. I think the scum team is Lenlo/Randquilla and they didn't know who the symp was. Lenlo is very good at talking himself out of situations and LZM is good at talking himself into them, Rand/SK were absent. Sooh/Ben excepted it was the lineup that gave the least away.

 

With this matchup they can get 2 through to the second day without drawing attention to one by subbing them back in

so then why'd you get subbed in?

Because you didn't know who the symp was I've literally said this at least twice already

 

 

But then why sub in the player everybody not named Verbal thought was town?  I don't get it....

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

And this is why I spent Sunday ISOing AJ in this game and several others. My read may be wrong, but I'm not going to beat myself up if it is, I will beat myself up if I give in to tinfoil and am wrong

that is fair, I won't hold it against you if you're town and wrong

<3

 

I hope you play again :)

 

Ftr I'm going to be here at deadline in case of shenanigans :/

 

 

I won't be unless a miracle happens, work is gonna move me from working the visitor booth, to working an event until 8:00. Unless I get out early I'll miss deadline.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

And this is why I spent Sunday ISOing AJ in this game and several others. My read may be wrong, but I'm not going to beat myself up if it is, I will beat myself up if I give in to tinfoil and am wrong

that is fair, I won't hold it against you if you're town and wrong

<3

 

I hope you play again :)

 

Ftr I'm going to be here at deadline in case of shenanigans :/

 

 

yeah I'll probably play again on here, it's been a fun experience. Just need to make sure I don't get pulled into another game during the same time lol