[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Lenlo]

Im not sure if I should feel really smart right now, or if I am an idiot and am just missing something.

[Sooh]

Im not sure if I should feel really smart right now, or if I am an idiot and am just missing something.

well, if 3/4 wolves are still in the tournament on D2, we have a problem.

[Sooh]

 

Im not sure if I should feel really smart right now, or if I am an idiot and am just missing something.

well, if 3/4 wolves are still in the tournament on D2, we have a problem.

 

if 3/4 are wolves on D2 I mean.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Im not sure if I should feel really smart right now, or if I am an idiot and am just missing something.

well, if 3/4 wolves are still in the tournament on D2, we have a problem.

 

if 3/4 are wolves on D2 I mean.

 

No, your right. Numbers are hard. And I dont think a balance, between voting out and keeping the vocals, will work to well either. Half committing to a plan wouldnt work.

 

If 3 out of the 4 are wolves, we would have to vote the Towny to stay twice in a row, so 2 50/50 shots, if we wanted to win. Bad odds.

[Nynaeve]

At this point I think it's worth discussing that scums will be able to eliminate two winners from the tournament ENTIRELY. That means if we vote all the solvey people to win their pairings, two of them will surely be eliminated.

 

I'm not entirely sure how this should be balanced with voting to eliminate scummy people, but it's worth thinking about I think.

 

Supposing that the two first pairings, BFG/AJ and Verb/Nyn, are all town. The most vocal people in those pairings are Nyn and AJ at this point. If they both win, they can both be eliminated by the scums during N1 (as well as one of the losers from said pairs, so we could risk losing 3/4 of them). As for the smartest way to play this I'm not sure. If we think all 4 are town, should we vote for the most vocal ones, ensuring that at least one of them is around to lead town during the next phases?

Our priority is to hopefully resolve the game this phase. Ie try to eliminate as many scum as possible. Hopefully all. I am not going to get lost in the strategizing you're suggesting. Them eliminating townies is equivalent to NKs. Yes town is gonna take a loss during the night if the game isnt resolved today. We should still aspire to leave a pool of players that are town telling and get rid of the players that are either pinging or arent doing anything so we can resolve them.

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Match 1:

Nynaeve (1) - Sooh

Verbal (5) - Ben, Nyn, LZM, SK, AJ

 

Match 2:

BFG (4) - AJ, Ben, Verb, LZM

AJ (3) - BFG, Sooh, SK

 

Match 3:

SK (2) - Ben, Aquilla

Aquilla (2) - SK, Sooh

 

Match 4:

Lenlo (3) - Ben, BFG, Sooh

LZM (3) - Lenlo, SK, LZM

 

Match 5:

Sooh (2) - Ben, Aquilla

Ben (4) - Sooh, Nyn, SK, AJ

 

[Nynaeve]

I understand the idea, mind. But even vocal townie players can be wrong. Not to mention that purposefully voting us out doesnt vet us at all and we'd basically be shooting ourselves in the foot by taking out players that are towntelling and leaving ambiguous players.

 

Frankly? I think it's a terrible idea.

[Nynaeve]

Like seriously

[Nynaeve]

Lets leave as little wiggle room possible for scum and not do their work for them. Mkay?

[Nynaeve]

And yes scum are going to take out the most towntelling players in the pool. That's gonna happen no matter what we do. So lets make sure the remaining ones are players that give a damn and can be resolved via play.

[Lenlo]

I understand the idea, mind. But even vocal townie players can be wrong. Not to mention that purposefully voting us out doesnt vet us at all and we'd basically be shooting ourselves in the foot by taking out players that are towntelling and leaving ambiguous players.

 

Frankly? I think it's a terrible idea.

I understand you disagree, and the math makes it no longer an option, but I think you misunderstand. Voted out players still get a vote. If your voted out D1, you can still vote on the tournament D2. Youll be alive, vocal, with a vote. You just wont be in the running.

 

It doesnt vet you no, but wolves dont want to be voted out, so it might have thrown them off.

 

Still, for other reasons, it wont work probably so its not worth debating.

[Nynaeve]

You take out ambigious players that you dont want there down the line. That will always be the correct play. Cause even if i have a vote, it would be like a shot in the dark. How does that help?

[Verbal32]

And yes scum are going to take out the most towntelling players in the pool. That's gonna happen no matter what we do. So lets make sure the remaining ones are players that give a damn and can be resolved via play.

 

I think that is Sooh's point, though.  She was trying, I think, to figure out a way to keep towntelling players who are also active in leading the town able to continue to do so.  Regardless of whether it would have worked, I like the outside the box thinking.

 

Example:  you are more active than me.  We are both trying to solve, but you're doing it with more posts.  But I'll still be easily resolved via game play the longer I remain in the game.  If you win the matchup, and scum can permanently remove WINNERS, that puts a juicy target on your back.  If you lost the matchup, it still leaves a resolvable player (me) in the game, with scum less able to silence you.

 

 

^ At least, that's how I'm interpreting Sooh & Lenlo's idea.

[Nynaeve]

Well i think it's a bad idea and if you happen to be scum then we basically ****ed ourselves by trying to be cute.

[Nynaeve]

I'm not saying Im suss of sooh for suggesting it, I'm just articulating how I feel about it. I understand exactly what she is suggesting. There is no confusion.

[Lenlo]

 

And yes scum are going to take out the most towntelling players in the pool. That's gonna happen no matter what we do. So lets make sure the remaining ones are players that give a damn and can be resolved via play.

 

I think that is Sooh's point, though.  She was trying, I think, to figure out a way to keep towntelling players who are also active in leading the town able to continue to do so.  Regardless of whether it would have worked, I like the outside the box thinking.

 

Example:  you are more active than me.  We are both trying to solve, but you're doing it with more posts.  But I'll still be easily resolved via game play the longer I remain in the game.  If you win the matchup, and scum can permanently remove WINNERS, that puts a juicy target on your back.  If you lost the matchup, it still leaves a resolvable player (me) in the game, with scum less able to silence you.

 

 

^ At least, that's how I'm interpreting Sooh & Lenlo's idea.

 

That was pretty much my thought.

 

The idea is we protect our high value players and resolve the the wolfier ones. Wolves dont want to get voted out, so theoretically that would become clear. If this game were abit larger I think it could work, but as it is the TTL (Time to Lose) is 2-3 days at a minimum. Thats really small, very little room for error. Not worth it right now, but it was an interesting idea.

[Nynaeve]

Other people are welcome to pitch in and add to it *shrugs*

[Lenlo]

Other people are welcome to pitch in and add to it *shrugs*

I think the talk has run its course. We hashed it out and decided not worth, so should probably move on to people. Dont wanna focus to much on being clever with a weird setup, no matter how fun that is.

 

[v]BFG[/v] AJ towntells clearer to me than BFG. If BFG is town, she probably is, then she can keep on posting and voting outside the tourney. No big deal.

[Sooh]

Bottom line is that yes, while I think there's a chance of scum shenanigans, I think I agree with Nyn. There's a 100% chance that clear town telling posters and solving posters will be killed N1, and I don't think Aquilla/LZM/Lenlo/SK will be murdered N1. Not because I think they are not great players, but they are more ambiguous in the current field and will keep us guessing over the next phases. I think the 3 kills will be in Nyn/Verb/BFG/AJ and possibly me since I think I'm towntelling this game. 

 

I hope that within the next 29 hours the ones I called ambiguous will be less so. <3

[Lenlo]

Bottom line is that yes, while I think there's a chance of scum shenanigans, I think I agree with Nyn. There's a 100% chance that clear town telling posters and solving posters will be killed N1, and I don't think Aquilla/LZM/Lenlo/SK will be murdered N1. Not because I think they are not great players, but they are more ambiguous in the current field and will keep us guessing over the next phases. I think the 3 kills will be in Nyn/Verb/BFG/AJ and possibly me since I think I'm towntelling this game. 

 

I hope that within the next 29 hours the ones I called ambiguous will be less so. <3

D: Hey now.

 

What about Ben?

[Nynaeve]

I apologize if I was being harsh.

[Lenlo]

I apologize if I was being harsh.

Do you? Really? 

 

:P Its fine, your not wrong.

[Nynaeve]

It was mostly directed at sooh :-p

[Lenlo]

It was mostly directed at sooh :-p

Am I not worth an apology?

 

One of these im gonna town tell so hard, that I will be the cleared one!

[Nynaeve]

I just know you're mostly immune to my "charms".