Suicide Squad

[Nynaeve]

You're missing other points I thought were good, Ben.

 

Like his point on Rand not doing reaction tests the previous games. Or Darthe's point of specifically claiming no read on Hallia and labeling that as a read.

 

TBH I might just sheep him because I think he might've nailed it already and you guys wanna lynch him because he's not acting a fool and making fake CCs lol

 

Also to clarify, at no point did I say I expected him to act the fool. He was actually really good that game and dug in and made some really bold moves that I really appreciated because it made a lot of noise and got things going. Which was a blessing in a game in the BT, which is typically slow. That's all I'm saying. Even though we lost the game, it still felt like a good game. Which doesn't happen often for me.

[Gentled Ben]

screw it

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

Rand seemed more concerned with your self vote than SK did. AJ wanted to lynch you for it, and SK said "No." Rand went much deeper into it, but you feel SK is town because he said no, yet Rand is scum despite also not wanting to see you lynched. Why?

[Nynaeve]

 

screw it

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

Rand seemed more concerned with your self vote than SK did. AJ wanted to lynch you for it, and SK said "No." Rand went much deeper into it, but you feel SK is town because he said no, yet Rand is scum despite also not wanting to see you lynched. Why?

 

 

First of all, I'm suspicious of both of them to some degree for different reasons I've stated. I'm not going to clear either of them for their reaction to what I did. it's only one factor. At the same time I fully admit I don't have a solid case on anyone at this point and I'm going with what I have. Pure and simple.

 

Secondly, when did Rand not want to see me lynched? His first reaction was basically... "I'm gonna wait for Nyn to respond before voting her." That was his initial stance. At that point I had three votes on me (mine, SK's from his initial joke vote and AJ's). Then later when my train faded he babbled back and forth on me being town or scum or town or scum and in the end settled on him not lynching me today but possibly later on... ie still a scum lean, but he thinks it's more likely I'd do it as town.... which... ????.... could easily just be based on how things were going train/vote wise at that point.

[Nynaeve]

I would be open to switching my vote to tie trains if several people agreed that would be useful, but switching now would only switch trains, and I feel stronger about SK than Darthe. Darthe had me feeling like there was something off with him early on, and Sooh not posting was not helping, but his last post in which he explained his vote on me actually has me leaning more town on him, even though I disagree with his vote. Of course, wolves make good townie mislynch cases all the time, but my gut feeling was that he was being weird at the start like he often is, and then started buckling down playing, and the play feels town to me, but that's only one post.

 

Hybrid hammer game. 

[Nynaeve]

There's roughly three and a half hours left and we need to see more activity and people taking stances pronto. 

[BFG]

VoteCount

 

Lenlo (1): Hallia

 

SK (2): Ben, Soothe

 

Soothe (2): SK, AJ

 

Rand (1): Nyn

 

Not Voting (4): Lenlo, Marsh, Dice, Rand

 

[Nynaeve]

This actually feels right all of a sudden

[Ironeyes]

Day isn't over yet! Wonderful. I got super busy yesterday and forgot about the game. 

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

 

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

 

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

 

 

 

Dice

 

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

 

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice? 

 

DM screwed up the coloring, which sort of killed my point in saying posting from my laptop was better lol

 

I wanted to reiterate the coloring to Dice's read since before I had to search BBC codes on my phone to find a color and then copy/paste

 

Ahh gotcha, makes sense.  Can't you just do 

[color = green] Hiya AJ [/color]

 like so Hiya AJ

 

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

... why do people do stuff like this? Nyn, if you're town, this definitely doesn't help town. It'd be much much better to get a scum hit, or at least try to get a scum hit and get the ensuing information than to lynch someone in the hope we get someone that'll be a good fit at stump. Also, stump isn't some great role either. Yeah you have a confirmed town who's opinions you can trust, but that's it. They have no outside knowledge of any sort. Trying to get someone in that role is not worth giving up an entire day of attempting to get scum, and intentionally lowering our numbers.

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

 

 

This is

 

A) Extremely selfish if the reason.  If you're town, you shouldn't purposely lead a mislynch on yourself so you can't be removed from the game, unless you have some crucial info the rest of us do not (she can't), because all you're doing is hurting town overall

 

B) Even if a good idea, heavily outweighed by all the losses.  Mafia get closer to a win, we lose a lot of information as everyone would just vote for Nyn which would be a null tell, and it would impact us in the next day.  Basically the only thing that would happen is we'd lose a town and start a new day, which would be akin to BFG taking out a town in the original setup and starting from day 1, which would be too OP for scum, and then say but there'll be one for sure good observer who'll give their reads too.  That's not a good situation at all for town.

 

 

I was perfectly fine with Nyn, but that self vote... confuses me. Why would town do it? Mafia would do it to screw with people, introduce doubt, etc. But she wasnt under near enough suspicion to need that.

 

 

This is what I was trying to think of.  If she's town, was it just a instantaneous reaction that she thought was good at the time but didn't think about it too much?  Or is she mafia that's trying to throw town into more disarray and do the whole I voted for myself, was down for a lynch on myself, how could I possibly be mafia?  Very confusing, and I just got misled last game on a similar train of thought.

 

Stuff like this. He posted a couple of things like this that laid out why this would be bad for town to do, then waited for you to respond before voting for you as scum. SK just said no. AJ was gung ho to lynch you, but your reads are on Rand and SK, with a heavier lean on Rand because AJ is leaning on Rand now. AJ never came up on your radar at all. Is this a  Nyn/SK/AJ scum team with lots of bussing and distancing? It just feels weird.

[Ironeyes]

I'm gonna go speed read, no replies to anything. Just gonna form an opinion on the two leading trains. 

[Gentled Ben]

This actually feels right all of a sudden

Yes, the votes are spread out nicely. 

[Nynaeve]

I'm gonna go speed read, no replies to anything. Just gonna form an opinion on the two leading trains. 

 

NOT EVEN TO ME!?!

[Nynaeve]

 

This actually feels right all of a sudden

Yes, the votes are spread out nicely. 

 

 

you have some kind of fetish with spread out votes, don't you?

[Gentled Ben]

I'm gonna go speed read, no replies to anything. Just gonna form an opinion on the two leading trains. 

You don't have to choose one. If you see a scum, make a case and vote for them, even if they aren't on the board yet. Don't lynch somebody just to get a lynch because pressed for time gotta vote right now for somebody and only two viable candidates. That's how we get things like a Trump/Clinton ballot choice. If you like one of them, vote for them, but don't do it for convenience's sake. 

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

This actually feels right all of a sudden

Yes, the votes are spread out nicely. 

 

 

you have some kind of fetish with spread out votes, don't you?

 

Maybe

No, this just will give us better vote analysis on D2 and D3. Because my mentor said so once.

[Gentled Ben]

How long until DL?

[Gentled Ben]

I ask because I have to go somewhere and still get a nap in before work this evening. If DL is in 20 minutes or something, I'll stay for developments, but if it's in an hour or two, I'll go and try to make it back in time.

[Nynaeve]

Stuff like this. He posted a couple of things like this that laid out why this would be bad for town to do, then waited for you to respond before voting for you as scum. SK just said no. AJ was gung ho to lynch you, but your reads are on Rand and SK, with a heavier lean on Rand because AJ is leaning on Rand now. AJ never came up on your radar at all. Is this a  Nyn/SK/AJ scum team with lots of bussing and distancing? It just feels weird.

 

 

Your thinking is entirely whacked. AJ has a lot more to his content than his response to my self vote. So do the others. Why are you acting as if I should be basing my entire read on those three slots on their reaction alone? That doesn't make any sort of sense.

 

I'll spell it out to you though. Looking at it logically?  I'd totally expect scum to take advantage of what I did to push a mislynch on me. Similarly to how scum tried to push SK for his CC (which you would know). But they'd be better off doing it after D1, so they don't have me yammering on and on through the entire game as a stump. Which I totally would do. And people can say all they want about a stump not being able to vote and really make a difference, and they might even be right, but I do notice some things sometimes that other people don't and I'm pretty convinced I'd be useful even if I was in that capacity. And that's a headache scum would choose to pass on, imo. This is partly why I feel like AJ leaning in on me and voting me  indignantly D1 could be a good sign cause I don't think scum AJ wants me around the entire game. 

 

SK didn't leave himself any wiggle room to change his mind later. It was just a straight out no.

 

Rand left himself ample wiggle room by saying a lot about what I did and at the same time not saying much, really irt an actual stance. All I got from him is that he won't vote me today but will prolly vote me later on. 

 

 

Comprende?

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

This actually feels right all of a sudden

Yes, the votes are spread out nicely. 

 

 

you have some kind of fetish with spread out votes, don't you?

 

Maybe

No, this just will give us better vote analysis on D2 and D3. Because my mentor said so once.

 

 

Heh

[Nynaeve]

Third of the game isn't currently voting, though.

[Gentled Ben]

You don't need to be snarky. Yes, I understand now. The wriggle room makes sense. I can see why you would get a stronger town read from SK in that situation despite his concise answer over Rand despite his analysis. Thank you.

[Nynaeve]

Actually almost half. 

[Nynaeve]

You don't need to be snarky. Yes, I understand now. The wriggle room makes sense. I can see why you would get a stronger town read from SK in that situation despite his concise answer over Rand despite his analysis. Thank you.

 

It was the comprende bit, wasn't it?  

 

But I really wanted to spanish at you.

[Gentled Ben]

i don't think Marsh will because it's a weekend. Dice is reading now. Lenlo is touring Washington DC. I don't know what to say about the others. They just suck, I guess.

[Gentled Ben]

 

You don't need to be snarky. Yes, I understand now. The wriggle room makes sense. I can see why you would get a stronger town read from SK in that situation despite his concise answer over Rand despite his analysis. Thank you.

 

It was the comprende bit, wasn't it?  

 

But I really wanted to spanish at you.

 

You could have spanished something about spreading votes.