The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[Ironeyes]

Think I'll keep spamming the thread since I can't seem to get my brain to focus on anything else at the moment. 

[Ironeyes]

1. Verbal32

2. Ironeyes

3. DreadPirateRoberts

4. Clovdyx BFG

5. Gentled Ben

7. Shitsure Kamimashita

9. Nynaeve

10. Sooh

12. RandA lThor

[Ironeyes]

Hope those different oranges are more distinguishable to people other than me. I'm R/G colorblind so it's a pain in the neck telling the difference. Nyn and Rand are in a darker shade of orange than SK

[Ironeyes]

I hate losing mafia games. Don't even know why I keep coming back to play since I lose more than half the time. But I keep coming back for more. It's like an abusive relationship or something. 

[Ironeyes]

Verbal why aren't you here? It's monday bro. And IDK what the heck happened to Nyn either. 

[Gentled Ben]

I hate losing mafia games. Don't even know why I keep coming back to play since I lose more than half the time. But I keep coming back for more. It's like an abusive relationship or something. 

Haha I'm still waiting for my first kiss from it. Someday, I'll win, though!

[RandA lThor]

 

I actually love doing this kind of thing so here we go.  Since we know that Adella and LZM were town and Adella revealed LZM as her target, this will be easier to describe.  Let's take it for granted that what scum did (killing Adella) was the optimal move for them as they didn't want a cleared town if they chose to submit a NK.

 

 

Scenario 1: Scum submits a NK on Adella

 

Night 1 Result - Adella (town) and LZM (town) both die.

 

Day 2 Result - Town continues normally with a standard day (what's happening right now)

 

Overall Result - 2 town dead, 0 mafia dead, 6-3 town to mafia ratio

 

Scenario 2: Scum does not submit a NK on Adella

 

Night 1 Result - LZM (town) dies.

 

Day 2 Result - Adella looks like scum with only one kill submitted who fake claimed to save herself.  Town lynches Adella.  Adella (town) dies.

 

Night 2 Result - Scum has another night to target town.  Some town dies.

 

Day 3 Result - Town continues normally with a standard day (what's happening right now)

 

So if scum didn't submit a NK night 1, and did night 2, we'd be in the same situation we're in right now but with one less townie in our group, which is definitively worse.  Luckily scum didn't see that when it happened, but it pretty definitely helps out scum to not help confirm Adella.

 

 

Rand, I want you to be honest with me. Have you been experimenting with teh drugs?

 

We're all friends here - I won't tell your parents.

 

Wut.   Bruh, at least respond to the case like BFG did below.  But yes, if you're curious about my personal life lol.

 

 

 

 

 

For the sake of consolidation and self preservation, I'm willing to look at Marsh and Sooh for the lynch.

 

Marsh because I've seen him coast as scum before and because his reversal on Rand feels like coasting to me, along with the fact that he hasn't taken a hard side on anything.

 

Sooh because she hasn't pinged me at all - and that's because she also dod not take sides on anything.

 

The Clov slot should be resolved by BFG, so I'm fine with letting her play that out. Nyn and Verb should move toward resolution for me today with their votes and comments.

I was going to say that if consolidation is needed on my end, Sooh would be the next reasonable lynch option for me, but this slow vote building towards her is feeling bad to me, and is almost identical to what happened to Hally.  Of course the initial train on Adella was bad too, so not a great example, but the way the train started on Hally (she was inactive, people missing out and putting their vote on her, etc.) is eerily similar.  More on that later.

 

 

I know the setup

 

 

That will totally help!

 

First thing you said that I agreed with lol.

 

 

 

 

 

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

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Me

 

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1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 

 

4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 

 

5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?

 

6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.

 

8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante

 

9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.

 

10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.

 

11. Hallia - Town Vanilla

 

12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

 

 

Aight lets do this for fun.  Besides it being suspicious that I didn't remember how the CoC worked and that I have a problem with unconsciously swearing, what other "multiple points" do you have against me?  I see that you said fit at EoD and faux outrage (though I'm assuming the second is connected to the swearing thing), but what fit at EoD are you talking about?  And my logic regarding scum skipping the NK is a disaster, yet you took 0 time to even argue against it?  Why wouldn't scum skip their NK?

 

 

Here ya go pumpkin:

 

1. You joined this PG-13 site when you were about 13, right? And stayed and played mafia for several years, right? Been my experience that everyone is aware of the PG-13 rule - it gets highlighted at least once per game and DM is somewhat unique (at least on the boards I've been on) with that rule. 

 

But you "forgot" it.

 

Okay. 

 

Magically, you have an amazing memory concerning player's habits. That means you forgot DM had a language code, but you remembered smallish details about Verbal and others. 

 

Okay...

 

But then you push it with swearing again on thread, because once again, you just keep forgetting that darn PG-13 rule? And you call it "unconscious swearing", which implies that this happens frequently? It's not game related per say, but I am curious, do you "unconsciously swear" often? Like, in a thesis paper... "The Impact of The F***ing Visigoths During the F***ing Migration Period by Rand F***ing AlThor". Or is it more casual? "Dear Mom & Dad, having a great f***ing time at school! Love, Rand"

 

Thing is, swears convey emotional attachment. That's why people use them. And by conveying emotional attachment in this game, you accomplish a couple of things: you create an air of believability and earnestness and you also to raise the stakes in attacks on your points - kind of like "you don't want to go there with me".

 

These make excellent places for scum to hide. That's what I think you're probably doing. Or, alternatively, we've discovered that you have Tourretet's Syndrome and now you can begin recovery, saving you years of embarrassment on job applications and rsvp's. Win-win.

 

2. And that's where the faux outrage and rahrahrah observations feed in. You notice how you're the only one talking about being around at DL? It's because it's not realistic for everyone to be there, so they just vote. Everybody knows this, so you making a big deal out of people not being around and trying to rally at the end is very likely an attempt to appear super duper townish.

 

You like to use emotion to influence people's opinion of you. It's a decent technique - it's effective as long as nobody pokes holes in the logic of it.

 

So far I've pointed out the possibility that you're using this technique. Your responses to my suss lead me to believe I'm right because a player that wasn't doing it would respond with "whatevs" and not worry about it. You flinched. 

 

3. As for your logic disastrophe, there is no scenario where scum skips their NK on N1. It's a time-bomb setup... they have to knock off as many townies as possible as soon as possible to win. 

 

Anyone looking for a creative way for scum to skip a NK is most likely scum - nobody else would have reason to think like that. 

 

That's why I took 0 time to talk about, and neither did anyone else. 

 

We good now?

 

This is a much more fleshed out and formulated argument, thanks

 

1. I've definitely changed a lot since I played here, and one of those ways is that I swear a lot more than when I was here.  And like I have to keep saying over and over again, **I did not forget the rule**, I just forgot how strictly it was enforced and what was OK and not OK.  Also, its much easier to remember someone's personality than change the way that I've been talking for a few years.  No lol, I don't have Tourrette's, but I've also accidentally sworn at family reunions, and uncountable times in front of my parents, fwiw.  It's become part of my casual vocabulary which I don't think is some incredible thing, its fairly common to slip up.  I see what you're saying with the whole "air of believability thing" but that argument doesn't really make sense when you think about it more.  Both town and scum have "earnest" moments in the game where they're trying incredibly hard to do something and will seem very determined.  The opposite is true where both scum and town can seem lazy or uninterested.  Its more of a null tell than a way to separate scum/town.

 

2. When I mentioned my DL thing, there were also others who agreed with me, so its not like it was just me.  And also, like I mentioned before, the thing wasn't just being around at DL.  LZM wasn't around and I was fine with that.  He also mentioned that he wouldn't be there at DL, which allowed us to keep that in mind and act upon that.  Obviously you can't always be around whenever DL is, but its not hard at all to let us know that since we know when DL is 48 hours in advance.  At worst, emergencies will come up and that's fine, but that didn't happen to you.  Otherwise, scum can be "around" at DL, but not post so they don't have to contribute to town trains like the Hally one, and look better.

 

3. This is the worst of your 3 points by far, and an incredibly shallow perspective from someone I remember making some incredibly complex setups and crazy mafia games and its pinging me hard.  I've already explained how by no killing, scum would have a higher expected townies dead till next free day than if they killed.  In simpler terms, they wouldn't need to shoot Adella because town would lynch Adella for them, and then they could use the kill the night after.  So same number of night kills in that period, but they were able to waste a whole day for town and get an extra dead townie.

 

Okay, forget 1 & 2 for now...

 

Explain again how scum skipping a NK equals the "same number of night kills in that period". Hold my hand like I'm a small child and walk me through this?

I actually love doing this kind of thing so here we go.  Since we know that Adella and LZM were town and Adella revealed LZM as her target, this will be easier to describe.  Let's take it for granted that what scum did (killing Adella) was the optimal move for them as they didn't want a cleared town if they chose to submit a NK.

 

Scenario 1: Scum submits a NK on Adella

 

Night 1 Result - Adella (town) and LZM (town) both die.

 

Day 2 Result - Town continues normally with a standard day (what's happening right now)

 

Overall Result - 2 town dead, 0 mafia dead, 6-3 town to mafia ratio

 

Scenario 2: Scum does not submit a NK on Adella

 

Night 1 Result - LZM (town) dies.

 

Day 2 Result - Adella looks like scum with only one kill submitted who fake claimed to save herself.  Town lynches Adella.  Adella (town) dies.

 

Night 2 Result - Scum has another night to target town.  Some town dies.

 

Day 3 Result - Town continues normally with a standard day (what's happening right now)

 

So if scum didn't submit a NK night 1, and did night 2, we'd be in the same situation we're in right now but with one less townie in our group, which is definitively worse.  Luckily scum didn't see that when it happened, but it pretty definitely helps out scum to not help confirm Adella.

 

Sooh (tldr ISO)

 

I actually liked the early vote on Verb, I know it's 'just' RVS and means little, but it's an early indication of being relaxed in thread, there's a tonal contrast with how she reacts to Verb later. There isn't a huge amount after, scum read on Adella, town read on LZM, Nyn and Verb, null on Hallia. she was around for end of Day 1, but didn't move her vote off a claimed vig. And then there's the vig claim discussion and 'don't shoot me' all of which is pretty much null (or at least I'm reading from two possible opposite perspectives ). Hasn't posted Day 2

 

Would ~guess that Soon/Rand aren't teamed based on the end of day posting thing and Nyn looks good in some of the quoted posts

 

Sooh hasn't posted anything that's made me feel bad, but I dislike the surface level thoughts she's showing. The switch on Verb who she'd been reacting badly to to a town read comes from nowhere and is for??? resons (unless he posted lots of stuff I haven't read in between )

 

Could vote here

 

Can you expand on why Sooh and I wouldn't be on the same team?  Because for me at the very least, that's a case for Sooh being scum

 

Also Ben I appreciate the defense, I'm just curious to the reason why, are you doing so mainly to build a case on DPR?  If so, that makes sense.  If not, why are you defending me, are you that sure I'm town?  I mean if you are, great that's even better, that doesn't happen often though, especially in a setup like this with no investigation roles.

 

Your scenario assumes that Adella would be an automatic lynch if mafia no shot. Given it's an open setup I'd be reluctant to lynch a claim, given their are other ways to vet them. I appreciate that's not really the point you're making though

 

I mean I doubt you'd be m/m, Sooh's post towards you about the end of day stuff didn't read as to a teammate, given the context of her other posting at the time (focused more on 'bad shot') it reads strangely and would draw attention to you if she was bigger and you were teammates

 

 

Ok firstly and most importantly, I think you accidentally voted for me with the formatting unquoting DPR's quote :P

 

Even if we didn't lynch Adella, it'd be a question mark for the whole game, because it'd be easy for Adella to hide behind the mafia NKed to stage me and claim vig to get out of it, and even if we saw the one kill as a null read, it would also make her claim unvettable and essentially the same as someone claiming vanilla town, in which case we'd probably lynch her at some point anyways (don't forget that she was the #1/#2 option to be lynched before her claim anyways).  In the very best scenario, she'd be a constant distraction for scum to use (since they'd know she was town but we wouldn't).

[RandA lThor]

[unvote] because DM screwed up my quoting as well and made me vote for myself :/

 

Also, a lot of things happened between when I started writing this post, took a lunch break, and came back, so let me catch up on that real quick

[Gentled Ben]

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

[Ironeyes]

[unvote] because DM screwed up my quoting as well and made me vote for myself :/

 

Also, a lot of things happened between when I started writing this post, took a lunch break, and came back, so let me catch up on that real quick

Most of the last page was me rambling. 

[Ironeyes]

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

It's well established that Verb doesn't play on weekends. I'm just surprised that he hasn't posted today, since the weekend is technically over. 

[DPR]

Ten players left, presumably three scum. I get lynched, scum shoot town, odds become five to three. Or alternately one of the vigs shoots and the odds either become five to two or four to three. This game gets hecka swingy after this. Vig shots become super powerful. 

 

 

9 left.

3 scum as per the open setup.

 

If someone makes a case and votes Sooh,I'm not opposed to moving vote - I never like it when Sooh subs out and at least you're playing. 

 

And, honestly, BFG ain't exactly soothing my nerves when it comes to the Clov/BFG slot. She's posted a bit now and not offered much - certainly nothing in the way of a solid read. 

 

We'll see. 

[DPR]

 

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

It's well established that Verb doesn't play on weekends. I'm just surprised that he hasn't posted today, since the weekend is technically over. 

 

 

 

He said he'd be out today.

 

Y'all tell me the truth now... I'm the only one actually reading, aren't I.

[Gentled Ben]

 

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

It's well established that Verb doesn't play on weekends. I'm just surprised that he hasn't posted today, since the weekend is technically over. 

 

Ah, I didn't know that. Well, maybe he's still catching up.

[Ironeyes]

 

Ten players left, presumably three scum. I get lynched, scum shoot town, odds become five to three. Or alternately one of the vigs shoots and the odds either become five to two or four to three. This game gets hecka swingy after this. Vig shots become super powerful. 

9 left.

3 scum as per the open setup.

 

If someone makes a case and votes Sooh,I'm not opposed to moving vote - I never like it when Sooh subs out and at least you're playing. 

 

And, honestly, BFG ain't exactly soothing my nerves when it comes to the Clov/BFG slot. She's posted a bit now and not offered much - certainly nothing in the way of a solid read. 

 

We'll see. 

Wonderful, so I get lynched, scum shoots town, down to four to three. And if a vig shoots town we're at Lylo. We're losing this game aren't we. 

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

It's well established that Verb doesn't play on weekends. I'm just surprised that he hasn't posted today, since the weekend is technically over. 

 

 

 

He said he'd be out today.

 

Y'all tell me the truth now... I'm the only one actually reading, aren't I. aren't I?

 

FIFY. See? I'm reading, too.

[Ironeyes]

 

Ten players left, presumably three scum. I get lynched, scum shoot town, odds become five to three. Or alternately one of the vigs shoots and the odds either become five to two or four to three. This game gets hecka swingy after this. Vig shots become super powerful. 

9 left.

3 scum as per the open setup.

 

If someone makes a case and votes Sooh,I'm not opposed to moving vote - I never like it when Sooh subs out and at least you're playing. 

 

And, honestly, BFG ain't exactly soothing my nerves when it comes to the Clov/BFG slot. She's posted a bit now and not offered much - certainly nothing in the way of a solid read. 

 

We'll see. 

BFG made a solid read on me, and backed it up with a vote. That's something.

[RandA lThor]

 

Also Ben I appreciate the defense, I'm just curious to the reason why, are you doing so mainly to build a case on DPR?  If so, that makes sense.  If not, why are you defending me, are you that sure I'm town?  I mean if you are, great that's even better, that doesn't happen often though, especially in a setup like this with no investigation roles.

 

 

 

Post trim fail. Whatever, though.

 

No, I started out as a null on you, and I was making a case against DPR, but as I explained it, I guess I ended up leaning more towards you being town, because if you're scum, you suck at it. Mafia are supposed to overthink their posts because they're worried about getting caught in a contradiction or something, and you aren't doing that at all. However, taking this profanity thing and developing it into "faux outrage" is exaclty the kind of overthinking I would expect from a wolf, so I guess I am leaning town on you now, although it is possible that DPR is town and is right about you, and it's possible that you and DPR are both town, and all three of us are wrong.

 

That's fair, makes sense to me at the least.

 

Verb, Nyn, shitsure?

Lol me at the last DL (though Nyn was there, and others weren't)

 

 

 

 

I feel like I'm missing context for a lot of the current debate, but I think Ben believes his points, although I'd feel better if he backed them up with a vote.

 

That said I disagree with his read in general. I think the previous doubling down on the Rand argument is a good look for dpr (although I need to read their back and forth to see how the backing off reads), as third he doubled down on points I disagreed with, but followed a more conventional(?) logic. As town his thought process tends to be more individual(?), although I say that without knowing his mafia game (and taking that with a pinch of salt since I know his opinion of meta :p)

 

 

Ben's vote is on me. I have not backed off my Rand view, if that's who you meant.

 

I know you still think he's scum, I mean the dropping of the first 2 points (at least for now?)

 

 

 

I was only trying to focus on that third point, which I still have no idea what he's talking about.

 

How?  I mean I understand if you disagree with it like BFG did, but my explanation was so straightforward, I have no idea how you wouldn't be able to see what I was saying.

 

 

I'm unlikely to be around at end of day

 

 

Rand will be very disappointed. An admonishment is not out of the question. 

 

;( It's like you don't even read what I said, this is literally what I said I liked, when people say they'll be out at DL and let us know.

 

I also will require teh admonishment...

 

[v] Marsh [/v]

Yeah... that's a good bit of vote jumping for you, so me, Sooh, and Marsh are your reads?

 

 

 

[snipped]

I was going to say that if consolidation is needed on my end, Sooh would be the next reasonable lynch option for me, but this slow vote building towards her is feeling bad to me, and is almost identical to what happened to Hally.  Of course the initial train on Adella was bad too, so not a great example, but the way the train started on Hally (she was inactive, people missing out and putting their vote on her, etc.) is eerily similar.  More on that later.

What slow building? Everyone and their little brother seems to be FOSing Sooh, and yet I'm the only vote on her. That, if anything, solidifies my determination to continue voting her. I strongly suspect that a sizeable portion of the sussing is just shade by teammates who have no intention of following through. 

 

Verb also had his vote on Sooh, but good point, there were more FoSes than votes on Sooh, which seems very odd.

 

 

@Ironeyes sure, but reasons were already given to why Hallia was scum you were piling on more reasons. One such reason was: if she flips town it's still good for town is not compelling it doesn't make much sense to me. I am paraphrasing of course it was more along the lines of if hallia is lynched we get to know nyn alignment, so what is nyns alignment Ironeyes? To me it looks like setting up mislynches. #foundscum

[v] Ironeyes [/v]

Scummy

 

[v]Marsh[/v]

Towny

 

I also will require teh admonishment...

 

[v] Marsh [/v]

Scummy but less so. 

 

 

 

1. Verbal32

 

2. Ironeyes

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts

 

4. Clovdyx BFG

 

5. Gentled Ben

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita

 

9. Nynaeve

 

10. Sooh

 

12. RandA lThor

This is where I start feeling less town on you, literally like 1 or 2 of your posts above you say that DPR's vote is scummy, but then you place a town read on him? Not only the light orange one (btw def would change that, I'm not colorblind and I only noticed that when you pointed it out).

 

 

 

 

Seriously, where is Verbal? Did he just come out of the starting gate looking good, get a town read from most of us, and then decide to skate? Is he busy, or is he really a wolf, or does he just not care about the game?

 

I think Nyn just doesn't care. 

It's well established that Verb doesn't play on weekends. I'm just surprised that he hasn't posted today, since the weekend is technically over. 

 

 

 

He said he'd be out today.

 

Y'all tell me the truth now... I'm the only one actually reading, aren't I.

 

 

Yup he did, surprised that no one else saw that.  And see, he told us he'd be out, so I'm happy ;)

 

 

 

 

Ten players left, presumably three scum. I get lynched, scum shoot town, odds become five to three. Or alternately one of the vigs shoots and the odds either become five to two or four to three. This game gets hecka swingy after this. Vig shots become super powerful. 

9 left.

3 scum as per the open setup.

 

If someone makes a case and votes Sooh,I'm not opposed to moving vote - I never like it when Sooh subs out and at least you're playing. 

 

And, honestly, BFG ain't exactly soothing my nerves when it comes to the Clov/BFG slot. She's posted a bit now and not offered much - certainly nothing in the way of a solid read. 

 

We'll see. 

Wonderful, so I get lynched, scum shoots town, down to four to three. And if a vig shoots town we're at Lylo. We're losing this game aren't we. 

 

 

If we mislynch today, I'd want both vigs to shoot so town gets two kills instead of one.

[Gentled Ben]

Marsh is sounding more town to me after his post about our worsening chances of winning and respecting a case made against him.Is that just a good effort on the gallows?

[RandA lThor]

Current votes are Marsh: 3, DPR: 1, Sooh: 1.  Between all of those, I'll be around DL, so I'll keep my vote on my #1 suspect, but would rather change it to Sooh (Marsh made a good point about FoSes) than Marsh, but before I say that for sure, I want Marsh to answer my question about his reads on DPR.

 

[v]DPR[/v]

[RandA lThor]

Marsh is sounding more town to me after his post about our worsening chances of winning and respecting a case made against him.Is that just a good effort on the gallows?

 

Careful of that, some people are really good at sounding town on the gallows.  I think he's town overall, but that isn't a good reason why.  Though his effort has been good throughout the game.

[Gentled Ben]

I also will require teh admonishment...

 

[v] Marsh [/v]

Wait, did you really just flip to Marsh with a "lulz" comment after banging the drum for Rand for two days? Just because BFG subs in out of nowhere and votes Marsh? Is this something you discussed in mafia QT and didn't expect the rest of us to see, or what? Why not Rand after all his faux outrage and his logical disastrophe? Where's your case on Marsh? You switched your vote because you just want an admonishment? Dude...

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

[snipped]

I was going to say that if consolidation is needed on my end, Sooh would be the next reasonable lynch option for me, but this slow vote building towards her is feeling bad to me, and is almost identical to what happened to Hally.  Of course the initial train on Adella was bad too, so not a great example, but the way the train started on Hally (she was inactive, people missing out and putting their vote on her, etc.) is eerily similar.  More on that later.

What slow building? Everyone and their little brother seems to be FOSing Sooh, and yet I'm the only vote on her. That, if anything, solidifies my determination to continue voting her. I strongly suspect that a sizeable portion of the sussing is just shade by teammates who have no intention of following through. 

 

Verb also had his vote on Sooh, but good point, there were more FoSes than votes on Sooh, which seems very odd.

 

 

@Ironeyes sure, but reasons were already given to why Hallia was scum you were piling on more reasons. One such reason was: if she flips town it's still good for town is not compelling it doesn't make much sense to me. I am paraphrasing of course it was more along the lines of if hallia is lynched we get to know nyn alignment, so what is nyns alignment Ironeyes? To me it looks like setting up mislynches. #foundscum

[v] Ironeyes [/v]

Scummy

 

[v]Marsh[/v]

Towny

 

I also will require teh admonishment...

 

[v] Marsh [/v]

Scummy but less so. 

 

 

 

1. Verbal32

 

2. Ironeyes

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts

 

4. Clovdyx BFG

 

5. Gentled Ben

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita

 

9. Nynaeve

 

10. Sooh

 

12. RandA lThor

This is where I start feeling less town on you, literally like 1 or 2 of your posts above you say that DPR's vote is scummy, but then you place a town read on him? Not only the light orange one (btw def would change that, I'm not colorblind and I only noticed that when you pointed it out). 

The first post was judging their votes, not the players. I disliked DPR's vote but I still have him as a light town. Lemme re-color that list for you. 

 

1. Verbal32

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts

 

4. Clovdyx BFG

 

5. Gentled Ben

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita

 

9. Nynaeve

 

10. Sooh

 

12. RandA lThor

[Ironeyes]

 

I also will require teh admonishment...

 

[v] Marsh [/v]

Wait, did you really just flip to Marsh with a "lulz" comment after banging the drum for Rand for two days? Just because BFG subs in out of nowhere and votes Marsh? Is this something you discussed in mafia QT and didn't expect the rest of us to see, or what? Why not Rand after all his faux outrage and his logical disastrophe? Where's your case on Marsh? You switched your vote because you just want an admonishment? Dude...

He's been dropping hints all day that he was scum reading me. Just got drowned out in his tunnel on Rand

[Gentled Ben]

 

Marsh is sounding more town to me after his post about our worsening chances of winning and respecting a case made against him.Is that just a good effort on the gallows?

 

Careful of that, some people are really good at sounding town on the gallows.  I think he's town overall, but that isn't a good reason why.  Though his effort has been good throughout the game.

 

Yeah, that's why I asked. I saw Shad go down pretty hard as a wolf in my first game, so I know they can sound suddenly plausible with the noose around their neck. Still, DPR's sudden switch to him rings alarm bells for me.