Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Spadeszee]

 

My big concern right now is that last game Eldrick worked his thoughts outloud as he developed them, I am not seeing this at all this game. Like, he'd go on back and forward with himself making notation. I think if Cuth/Fred are lynched and fli V, Eldrick is where I would turn next.

 

His push on Cuth would only be safe by his "vigshot", which I know I took so him shooting is still not completely true in my eyes.

 

Cory, I know you were with me when I played last game, does Eldrick feel completely different this one or am I crazy?

There have been a couple of "self contradictions" (essentially, he caught himself with bad judgment/flawed thinking) from Eldrick this game that read to me as pretty genuine. That doesn't matter at all if he's a SK - he's not going to know anyone's alignment but his own. But in terms of being mafia, I would be pretty surprised; the reads seem to come naturally and then something pops in his head of "oh yeah, that's nto right, nevermind", which is more or less what I rely on to read him.

I can see what you're saying here and I'm listening to my gut right now which lead me to misread Eldrick last game. I don't find him genuine, though. I could just be terrible at reading Eldrick.

[Spadeszee]

I am curious why the sk speculation.

 

I mean obviously my shot sparked it, but why did so many people jump to sk and not a second vig?

 

Zander I get, to an extent. He didn't like that i thought he was scum. Haven't really been able to get much more out of him about his read on me, but I know his mistrust lingers once it's there to begin with.

I think it's from the role to player ratio. Mechanics to balancing a game are lost on me, though.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

Cuth is my lowest read. I don't like his vote switch at the end of D1. I didn't like his vague read on FC or FC's meta and ignore on him.

Why don't you like my push?

I've stated this before, but basically you got really annoyed when people were making cases for Iron but ignoring yours for Cuth. You went to bed while two people voted Iron and the train was clearly building up. You had zero interest in actually lynching him when you said (to my recollection) that he would be a good lynch as well. I can't confirm your vig shot so in my eyes you haven't actually gotten any scum and fled the scene of the crime each time.

If Cuth is a villager, I think it's painfully likely you're a wolf who was trying to bait out the vig. IDK how bold you are as a wolf.

If you're gonna use my schedule against me, we're gonna have problems. Zander commented on the same thing last game that I wasn't around for EoD and it looked bad.

 

I got to sleep around the time that things start ramping up ITT. It's an annoyance that comes with my schedule, and why I was excited when I thought it was gonna be am instead of pm.

 

But more to the game related point, I felt stronger about cuth. I knew that the thread was moving to lynching marsh, and I didn't try to stop it, but I voted my stronger read. If that's a problem, well tough.

[Cory Caboose]

Eh, did a comparative ISO and not confident to really slot Cuth as a villager

 

He's still in the null pile. Would have done some kind of awkward stuff if he were a wolf, but that's not impossible

 

he's been quite weird this game in general in a way that doesn't really look like his villager or wolf game :shrug:

[Eldrick4221]

The annoyance part makes sense, though. I can see how you could have interpreted that as "stop trying to lynch my teammate"

[Eldrick4221]

Gotta hate NAI weirdness

[Eldrick4221]

Lol. Look who's talking.

[Spadeszee]

The annoyance part makes sense, though. I can see how you could have interpreted that as "stop trying to lynch my teammate"

It felt really bad to me. I might be grasping at nothing right now, but I have to look at everything and listen to my instincts.

[Spadeszee]

Gotta hate NAI weirdness

NAI?

[Fredwood]

Non Alignment Indicative

[Fredwood]

Eh, did a comparative ISO and not confident to really slot Cuth as a villager

 

He's still in the null pile. Would have done some kind of awkward stuff if he were a wolf, but that's not impossible

 

he's been quite weird this game in general in a way that doesn't really look like his villager or wolf game :shrug:

 

I went into the Scoobs save and the "genuine" town read on him.  He hasn't really defended his town read on scoobs other then to say he wasn't confident in it...but was confident enough in it to save him. 

 

It comes down to the bus of Marsh, and it is about the only thing that would give me a pause.  I don't know if Cuth is a busser, but in a situation where Scoobs/Cuth/Marsh is on a team and they're all at the bottom of the pile, Save one Bus one is a logical play to make there, especially if you're not invested in the game.

 

Is it lock...no but literally everyone else has either lynched  or caught two scum...or in the case of Eldrick, there's a very good case that he's spewed clear by Scoobs.  Still a good play to try and get him lynched over Scruffs there.  It's why I said Sooh was the least lock of the hard cleared townies, because she switched to Eldrick during the middle of Scoob's push on him.  I'll have to double check to see if she gave much explanation, but at the time there didn't really appear to be any.

[Spadeszee]

Non Alignment Indicative

One day I will remember all the lingo xD

[Dar'Jen Ab Owain]

And I am definitely just starting to learn the lingo.

 

Trying to read through posts to get some feel for folks.

[Eldrick4221]

Hey DJ.

 

I know you're still catching up, but any comments so far?

[Clovdyx]

I am curious why the sk speculation.

 

I mean obviously my shot sparked it, but why did so many people jump to sk and not a second vig?

 

Zander I get, to an extent. He didn't like that i thought he was scum. Haven't really been able to get much more out of him about his read on me, but I know his mistrust lingers once it's there to begin with.

 

Just trying to make sense of numbers and roles and stuff.  Two 1x vigges isn't impossible, but seeing duplicate roles in a game that is (presumably) not RNG based is unusual, especially when there's already two flipped roled townies against 2 goons in what would theoretically be a 9-3.

[Eldrick4221]

So tomorrow is my birthday. Don't have anything planned for the day itself, but I may end up being busy.

 

I do have plans Wednesday, though, and will likely not be around until later.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I am curious why the sk speculation.

 

I mean obviously my shot sparked it, but why did so many people jump to sk and not a second vig?

 

Zander I get, to an extent. He didn't like that i thought he was scum. Haven't really been able to get much more out of him about his read on me, but I know his mistrust lingers once it's there to begin with.

Just trying to make sense of numbers and roles and stuff. Two 1x vigges isn't impossible, but seeing duplicate roles in a game that is (presumably) not RNG based is unusual, especially when there's already two flipped roled townies against 2 goons in what would theoretically be a 9-3.

Ok that makes sense.

[Dar'Jen Ab Owain]

I'm still trying to catch up on threads, but trying to decide if overanalysing can be a cover for someone trying to shift suspicion from themselves.

 

It looks simple at first glance, but there are levels to this game I am working to understand.

[Eldrick4221]

I have no idea what you're referring to lol. Talking about something specific.

 

I find it easier to not overanalyze at first. Just read as it normally develops.

 

Look into details later, once you have a grasp on your reads.

 

You also have the benefit of knowing 2 scum from the start. Curious what a fresh perspective gets from that knowledge.

[Eldrick4221]

I have no idea what you're referring to lol. Talking about something specific?

 

I find it easier to not overanalyze at first. Just read as it normally develops.

 

Look into details later, once you have a grasp on your reads.

 

You also have the benefit of knowing 2 scum from the start. Curious what a fresh perspective gets from that knowledge.

Ebwop. Wrong punctuation :P

[Cory Caboose]

I'm still trying to catch up on threads, but trying to decide if overanalysing can be a cover for someone trying to shift suspicion from themselves.

 

It looks simple at first glance, but there are levels to this game I am working to understand.

 

What's your experience with the game of Mafia so far?

[Dar'Jen Ab Owain]

My experience? Watching one other, and now this one. So, no experience really.

[Cory Caboose]

Well, welcome :P

[Dar'Jen Ab Owain]

Thank you. It is certainly intriguing. And I'm trying to learn as I go, for good or bad, I suppose time will tell.

[Cory Caboose]

I would say, do what you can, if anything you see sounds off / weird / in-genuine don't be afraid to speak up