Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Cuth]

my entire strategy this game if scum

 

read:entire 

 

seriously

 

i come into thread, make a bus vote on my partner, play lame catchup, vote counterwagon to partner dying at eod, ~strongly defend him, he gets nked, so i say screw it let's bus the same guy i had my vote on all d1 again

 

that'll make me look good for sure

[bopolis]

fred is definitely next up in the PoE imo to be looked at.

[Clovdyx]

my entire strategy this game if scum

 

read:entire 

 

seriously

 

i come into thread, make a bus vote on my partner, play lame catchup, vote counterwagon to partner dying at eod, ~strongly defend him, he gets nked, so i say screw it let's bus the same guy i had my vote on all d1 again

 

that'll make me look good for sure

 

Take it up with Benneh, man.

[Zander?]

 

Don't really like any of Marsh's posts on page 31. Seems very hypersensitive of Darthe's basically "jumping around" vote on him and how he's perceived by Spades moreso than really reading for people's alignments.

 

His read on our slot is a total cop out.

I'm hypersensitive of Darthe because he has a history of being shockingly accurate when reading me. I was concerned that he could start a mislynch singlehandedly. 

 

How is my read of you a cop out? 

 

 

ummmmm......lololololololololol

 

 

 

 

Place you bets!

 

Will Zander catch up by EoD?

 

xD

5 bucks on yes. But just barely

 

 

 

BTW- You owe me $5.00

 

 

 

 

 

 

...I think his focus on me is to attack another weak town read to help add more bodies to the Null category, there was no substance at all to his sussing of me, and no attempt to really get a discussion going about me. I have similar people in my null as well, but didn't really focus on them because I had no formed thought on if they were bad or not. So I don't think it was a legit push or read on me, it was a strategic move to try and influence and expand the suss list. If Scoobs is town, I'd like to see more concrete reasons why he thinks I'm scum.

Clarification: was this part talking about Darthe, Scoobs, or me?

 

Yeah sorry Scoobs. His two top scum reads were Eldrick and Me.  Eldrick had a "little" more substance to, his read on me was completely void of substance.

 

It would be like me listing you as a top scum read that I wanted to lynch today and then Shrugging and saying cus when asked why.  It felt less like a legit read and more like, I just want to get Fred's name out there as another potential body to hide in for POE

K thanks. I like this explanation, and it fits with my own (somewhat less developed) impression of Scoobs. 

 

You're sticking around on DM right? I get the feeling I'll enjoy playing with you in the future. 

 

 

 

[Spadeszee]

What a beautiful thread to wake up to!

 

Cory, I think we win this before I see you <3

[Cory Caboose]

I gotchu babe

[Zander?]

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

 

 

 

 

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

Depends on who "we're" is...

We the town who lost two members (presumably 1/4 or 1/5 of our numbers) whereas the mafia lost one (1/3 or 1/2 if their numbers)

 

I think we're ahead.

 

Ya this could be him trying to throw us off the trail with a derp type comment at the top!?!?!?!

[Clovdyx]

What a beautiful thread to wake up to!

 

Cory, I think we win this before I see you <3

 

 

I gotchu babe

 

Meanwhile, I'll just be over here trying to lynch Iron D1 and then lynching Coward, if anybody needs me.

[Spadeszee]

 

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

 

 

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

Depends on who "we're" is...

We the town who lost two members (presumably 1/4 or 1/5 of our numbers) whereas the mafia lost one (1/3 or 1/2 if their numbers)

 

I think we're ahead.

Ya this could be him trying to throw us off the trail with a derp type comment at the top!?!?!?!

I hated this post from him so bad.

[Cory Caboose]

 

What a beautiful thread to wake up to!

 

Cory, I think we win this before I see you <3

 

 

I gotchu babe

 

Meanwhile, I'll just be over here trying to lynch Iron D1 and then lynching Coward, if anybody needs me.

 

 

You complete me

[Spadeszee]

 

What a beautiful thread to wake up to!

 

Cory, I think we win this before I see you <3

I gotchu babe

Meanwhile, I'll just be over here trying to lynch Iron D1 and then lynching Coward, if anybody needs me.

It's teamwork Chris bby! Boppy and I locked and loaded on FC and now we all strike off Iron, ezpz <3

 

We all get tacos and brownies tonight, so says I!

[bopolis]

i just ordered cheesecake factory to be delivered.

 

 

get rekt

[MrsClov]

i just ordered cheesecake factory to be delivered.

 

 

get rekt

Your cheesecake factory delivers? Jealous.

[bopolis]

 

i just ordered cheesecake factory to be delivered.

 

 

get rekt

Your cheesecake factory delivers? Jealous.

 

yes and no;

 

there are several third party delivery services in my city(and various other major cities) that you order from a restaurant and they go there pick it up and deliver it to your door. 

[Zander?]

 

What a beautiful thread to wake up to!

 

Cory, I think we win this before I see you <3

 

 

I gotchu babe

 

Meanwhile, I'll just be over here trying to lynch Iron D1 and then lynching Coward, if anybody needs me.

 

 

 

I need you boo!!!!

 

 

 

 

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

 

 

So, statistically, we're ahead right?

Depends on who "we're" is...

We the town who lost two members (presumably 1/4 or 1/5 of our numbers) whereas the mafia lost one (1/3 or 1/2 if their numbers)

 

I think we're ahead.

Ya this could be him trying to throw us off the trail with a derp type comment at the top!?!?!?!

I hated this post from him so bad.

 

 

highfive.gif

[MrsClov]

 

 

i just ordered cheesecake factory to be delivered.

 

 

get rekt

Your cheesecake factory delivers? Jealous.

 

yes and no;

 

there are several third party delivery services in my city(and various other major cities) that you order from a restaurant and they go there pick it up and deliver it to your door. 

 

Oh yeah, we had those when we lived outside of Baltimore. We just live in the middle of no where now and can't get jack delivered :(

[Eldrick4221]

Awesome!

 

So glad I checked back in.

 

Back to bed.

[Zander?]

Awesome!

 

So glad I checked back in.

 

Back to bed.

 

I DONT FEEL THE WIM ELDRICK........

[Zander?]

Nobody answered my Skype question, is it down or is anyone else having issues with it???!??!?!?!

[Zander?]

cory caboose

384 Eldrick4221 343 Zander 336 Spadeszee 262 MrsClov 255 bopolis 246 Sooh 201 Clovdyx 144 Fredwood 97 Cuth 80

 

hmmmmmmm lynch in order from bottom or either way lynch the bottom 2 either way??!??!?!!?!?

 

lolololololol

[MrsClov]

Nobody answered my Skype question, is it down or is anyone else having issues with it???!??!?!?!

It's working fine for me, Z.

[Zander?]

Ok caught up, first to the good.

 

Sooh and Eldrick, unless there's a mechanical reason to doubt them, I'm not voting for them during this game.

 

Sooh: Oddly enough for her interaction with my slot.  Zara dumb, and did dumb thing.  I think Clov did a decent job of analyzing this when he weighed in on it.  And since I'm town, I  know the Zara post was a joke, and that I am in fact not that claim.  I'd like to add to the Clov post, I can quote it if need be but essentially he breaks down the 3 possibilities.  I think it being a Mafia safe claim isn't likely, because as what has been inferred by people more familiar with the source material, and just my educated guesses from the style of the nomenclature, that it being a safe claim for Mafia to me is unlikely.  For all these reasons, it's a half derp I like Sooh.  There is a minor concern, but it's more of a meta of her meta reads based on 1 game of experience.  Her tone is all over the place, but consistent with the players she's interacting with.

 

Eldrick...exclusively for his pushing on both sides of Scruffy.  I know one can be OMGUS, but he also challenged Darthe when he was challenging someone for their vote on Scruffy. The interaction felt very townie for me...(Again Clov pointed this out before I had to chance to bring it up...fking catch up)  I don't know, I just really like that interaction and his other content has been good for me, not necessarily from a solving standpoint but from a townie standpoint.  He's pressuring (Examples when he voted Iron and pulled on Darthe) and pulled back when they responded to him, and pressured and maintained it (ex: Scruff) when they didn't.  

 

If I knew how to iso and easily find the post I was looking for, I'll give another specific example though.  

 

Sooh was being questioned by Spades for taking a neutral to friendly tone with Scruff and trying to get him to respond to questions instead of hard pressuring him for his vote on Eldrick. After some discussion Eldrick pointed out how he felt his questioning was neutral of Scruffy as well, and how Scruffy's response seemed unnecessarily gruff. I felt his questioning of Scruffy's vote was indeed fair and neutral (perhaps not as sweet as Sooh), and it was a fair criticism and genuinely felt like frustration at being blown off. Dunno, that's just a strong read. If either of you are scum good on ya.

 

I'll also throw Clov (and I guess Cory cus they hydra but specifically Chris is getting the credit) up here, but as what you would call a light green. I don't think I'll vote for them this game either.  I hate to really go into too much detail cus pocketing, and there is no way to prove that I didn't have these same thoughts before I read where he expressed the same thoughts.

 

I'll stop here and catch up and post more thoughts and stuff...obviously Mrs Clovx goes up here as well.

 

Sooh and are people he NEVER WANTS to VOTE THEM barring mechanical.  This is fairly early into the game for that strong of a read, especially when he has a reason/leaves an out on his Soohray. (see Red Bold)

 

Orange- Fred can you show me these quotes and explain out your thought process with each please?

 

Others colors are his reads which Im trying to follow his progression on them.

 

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

Red is a very vague way to drop his thoughts on Scruff.  I find it to be misleading cause it leaves an out to switch the read to Scummy if need be imo.

 

Above and in Purple- Then drops a slight push on SBop while still leaving her in the Nulls.  A lot of his reads, read to me as "pull in case of emergency" to fit any narrative Fred wants or needs to.

 

Blue- I'm manipulative yet its something you do and you empathize, is another fence sitting read/comment imo.

[Zander?]

 

Nobody answered my Skype question, is it down or is anyone else having issues with it???!??!?!?!

It's working fine for me, Z.

 

 

Why does it hate the Zander??!?!?!!?!?

 

sadface,gif

[MrsClov]

 

 

Above and in Purple- Then drops a slight push on SBop while still leaving her in the Nulls.  A lot of his reads, read to me as "pull in case of emergency" to fit any narrative Fred wants or needs to.

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

Above and in Purple- Then drops a slight push on SBop while still leaving her in the Nulls.  A lot of his reads, read to me as "pull in case of emergency" to fit any narrative Fred wants or needs to.

 

Ugh... It wouldn't let me type. Anyways mostly saving this for future reference to see if I agree/disagree once I get around to ISO-ing Fred.