[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Shad_]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:39 AM, Adella said:

That's because that is all you're doing, defending yourself. Make some cases on people, give us a read, do all the things you have been calling other people out for not doing. You literally have one vote on you and you are kind of freaking out. Suddenly someone thinks you're scum, goes for it pretty hard, and DPR is townie again. If you were town you would be defending yourself, but also playing the whole game. You're only playing half.

 

And yes, I am agreeing with Shanti, also with Killanos, and Eld from the beginning of the last day phase, asking for people's opinions, playing the whole game, not just focusing on you. Now my mind is set though.

I DO NOT THINK THAT DPR IS VILLAGERY AND IF YOU ARE NOT A WOLF IT IS EXTREMELY LIKELY HIM

[Shad_]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:40 AM, Adella said:

I have absolutely read your posts, and I just reread the last 10 pages before the lynch for good measure.

 

And I've given no reads on Dice right?

[Shad_]

Here's the thing.

[Adella]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:36 AM, Shad_ said:

Shanti dies and you walk into the thread saying I must have killed her, start off a case on me with the argument that I never dropped reads on Dice and vote me for it.

 

And then you act confused as to why I might think you are a wolf.

Wow, you're ignoring a lot of what I said. Idk how you can be so mad about people doing it to you, and then do it right back

[Shad_]

You can let me play the game and read me by my play.

[Adella]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:40 AM, Adella said:

I have absolutely read your posts, and I just reread the last 10 pages before the lynch for good measure.

 

And I've given no reads on Dice right?

 

You only started on him when it was L-2.

[Shad_]

Or you can chuck factually false accusations at me all phase and force me to play in eternal defensive mode so you can accuse me of being too defensive.

[Shad_]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:42 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:40 AM, Adella said:

I have absolutely read your posts, and I just reread the last 10 pages before the lynch for good measure.

 

And I've given no reads on Dice right?

 

You only started on him when it was L-2.

 

 

You are a liar.

[Shad_]

Literally pull up my ISO, click Ctrl+F, scan for all references to Dice, and try to tell me that again.

[Shad_]

When someone makes a blatantly factually wrong statement in a game, I politely correct them and watch to see if their read alters accordingly.

[Shad_]

When it doesn't, or when they perpetually chuck out misinformation, I begin to suspect them.

[Shad_]

When half the field does it, I want to strangle kittens.

[Adella]

  On 6/11/2017 at 8:58 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 12:22 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Dice has explained why he went after Shad and not Nyn. Because iho Nyn doesn't do that as scum. And yet she clearly did. Biggest reason I have rn to read someone as scum. Feels like not wanting to bring attention to a teammate.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

In hindsight Dice caring that I did this when I always do while not caring that Nyn did it when I've never seen her do it before is probably a bad look.  Don't hate this vote/reason.

 

 

Literally the only good point you make, but you didn't find it on your own?

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 8:58 PM, Shad_ said:

I need to reread Dice's posts at the end of D2 because I think my brain dumped them.

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:09 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:14 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:31 PM, Tigraine said:

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.

 

 

I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

 

But that being said [v] Cuth/Nyn [/v]

 

vote cuth/nyn

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:35 PM, Tigraine said:

For what it's worth, here's where I got on my reads list

 

Shad-

 

Shanti- I believe she is town. She's getting very passionate about her arguments like she did last game and she was town. I feel she would be in a lighter/less serious mood if she were scum.

 

DPR- hope his grandmother is okay. As hard as it is for me to even type these words, DPR is town/null

 

Adella- it's actually you that i meant the foreboding post for. Ill search it out and quote it for you.

 

Cuth/Nyn- 100% scum, you guys know it and I know it so no need to beat around the bush.

 

Alf-

 

Killa/Kronos- Killa, sorry that foreboding was meant for Adella. Other than that I actually kinda agree with Adella's "commentary" comment. You aren't playing like you have been and I don't know if it's because you are a Hydra or scum. You usually have much more detailed opinions.

 

Cass- I'm curious as to why you found it suspicious that Alf didn't question Dice's joke vote then wondered at why Dice himself didn't question it. He explained early enough that it was a joke why was a lack of response from either of them afterwards a deal to you? I'm not hating the rest of your gameplay, you're getting in and asking questions, asking everyone for reads list but other than quoting other and saying 'move this one here" or "drop that one there" I didn't see an actual reads list from you. Can you give us one pleeeeeaaaaasssseeee? But I am leaning heavily town on you atm because of your questioning and interactions.

 

Dice- you come in, joke vote Alf then explain that vote to Cass and then question Alf as to why he didn't question it. Had he questioned it you would've said it was scummy for questioning an obvious joke vote. The fact that you dedicated 9 or 10 of your posts to that cause wouldn't be a big deal if you had pages of posts but you don't. You have something around 25 now. So that makes it a pretty big deal imo especially when you tried to downplay it. To top that off, when I called you out on that blatant downplay, you conveniently ignore it and say I'm too focused on it. Of course I am, almost half of your post count was about that. I especially don't like that you only questioned him on it after Cass called you out on not asking. I havent took you for the type of player that reacts in that fashion to avoid suspicion. Other than that you have twice (at least) pseudo defended gameplay from Nyn who is scum

 

first off with all the colours ALL of those have been answered   for someone who knows EXACTLY how many posts i i have I hope u actually read them.

 

reds been answered  i took his post as a response. I will also thank you not to tell me what I will or will not think tyvm. You have not played with me enuff to even make a guess let alone KNOW what i would do. And for the record you are totally wrong. it all depends on HOW they respond WHEN they do it and WHAT they say, cause you know I actually READ peoples posts if im going to talk about them.

 

 

Blue  hmmm i wonder why???  would that be because some opf it was the actual conversation and then the rest is responding to people asking about the conversation? I think it is!!

 

and I will give you a really big word to the wise   if you are someone easily offended in a mafia game Id suggest you dont try me regarding post counts. Cause  as it has been before the responses will be extremely blunt. And I wont be apologetic about it.

 

purple asking the same already answered question twice in one post. seriously?? give me a break.

 

 

I'm not sure Dice takes this tone with someone he thinks is town, but he believes her claim?

 

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:12 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:22 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 11:56 PM, Tigraine said:

So Dice what do you think of my claim?

 

I find it interesting cause Alignment cop is no role title ive seen  its not even listed on maifawiki  and yes i realise you may be describing it.  and then theres the fact that ure claiming a normal cop in a sooh game. When thinking about this game i totally gamed the mod in my head. in my head sooh tends to role cops and BG type roles rather then straight cop doc roles. Shes been infected by pizza after all :D   doesnt mean she WONT use a normal cop but I wouldnt expect it. .

 

As for the rest you claimed cop I vote with the cop. its pretty simple really. either we get mafia today or we get mafia tomorrow. 

 

Not sure why you want to make a big deal of what i think of ure claim but thats what i think.

 

 

ok maybe he doesn't fully believe it?

 

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:14 AM, Shad_ said:

I dunno, if Dice doesn't trust Tig I don't think he rolls with the claim anyway, I think he calls it BS. 

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:15 AM, Shad_ said:

Like Dice has been mislynched due to a wolf faking a red peek on him and in general he says what he's thinking and doesn't give a fffffffff

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:20 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:56 AM, dicetosser1 said:

red  im sick and tired of pushing town to lynch people i  think are scum and being ignored. Doesnt seem like enuff people think ure scum to do it so im just not gonna bother, They wake up i will happily lynch you. If i turn out to be right I will also happily tell them i told you so. If im wrong you get something else to use against me in future games.

 

blue  intro has been enuff for me to make calls on people in LOTS of games. I yelled and screamed about Tom one game but people didnt listen til late game   and i think he got peeked  ive called people town off one post.  Its got only a very little to do with logic.  the logic is anyone who does that should be auto lynched. You are tricky and ballsy enuff to do it and assume you will get away with it. The rest is my gut and my gut doesnt have logic. It jumped so ure scum. simple

ok so let's experiment here

 

ignore the wolf face and mtg card posts and drop a read on me based on my other like 300+ posts in the game

 

then go back to wtl me anyway

 

deal?

 

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:21 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:17 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:15 AM, Shad_ said:

Like Dice has been mislynched due to a wolf faking a red peek on him and in general he says what he's thinking and doesn't give a fffffffff

 

Soooo pretty much what you're saying is, he was claiming he didn't believe it to make himself look better, but because he's scum he knew she must be right so to look EVEN better, he voted what she voted so he could claim "why would I vote with her if I'm scum? I even doubted her claim but you always vote with the cop unless you're the cop and know they're bluffing"

 

I think if he's scum he just had some cognitive dissonance between accusative tone and accusative read

 

 

Sort of maybe implies a case?

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:54 AM, Shad_ said:

DPR/Dice remaining scum team BFG claim legit?

 

BAM there it is. But not interested in voting Dice at all, even though there was pretty clearly not going to be a consensus on DPR that day.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:17 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

only deal i will make is that if you fess up I will lynch you.

That's cute but if you are a villager give a > 5 seconds of thought read on my slot.

 

 

Not a case.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:56 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

How is 3p NOT a threat to town? I dont think ive seen one yet that cant choose to side with scum in order to hit their wincon. That seems like a threat to Town to me

I can't even believe we're still having this conversation unless you and DPR are both just wolves.

 

Neither of you are unfamiliar with Survivors and both of you are pretending you are.

 

I could see it coming from Shanti or Killa as new players.

 

 

I guess sort of a case? All you do is say "maybe you're a wolf" and move on.

[Adella]

Interesting, did not know there was a limit to quotes... Part 2:

 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:31 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:22 PM, BFG said:

Shad what are your reads atm?

That wasn't an answer to my question. :\

DPR and Dice can die. Readjust as needed.

 

 

3rd time you just drop his name in there as a scum read.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 10:06 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 10:05 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:31 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:22 PM, BFG said:

Shad what are your reads atm?

That wasn't an answer to my question. :\

DPR and Dice can die. Readjust as needed.

 

 

So when majority vote was on Dice why did you not vote as well, Shad?

 

 

Why should I?

 

 

Because you think he is scum? For the interest of a town controlled lynch, which you decided D1 was so important.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:47 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:11 AM, Adella said:

What are your thoughts in Dice? If people aren't going to agree on DPR, can we agree elsewhere? If DOR is scum, he isn't the only one left in the game. You've got to have another option.

 

I've had DPR/Dice as most likely scum team all phase.  Dice is fairly consensus so that one's getting resolved regardless.  DPR needs attention. 

 

 

x4, and even as it's looking less and less likely DPR will get lynched, you aren't willing to say "ok, Dice today, DPR tomorrow"

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:53 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:47 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:40 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:13 AM, Cass said:

 

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  On 6/13/2017 at 5:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 4:36 AM, Cass said:

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.
 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:37 PM, BFG said:

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 
If I'm reading this correctly, your points are
 
She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.
 
She's not Scum.
 
 
Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

 

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically.  Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game. 

 

 

Mindmeld for all of that.

 

We've established she's non-Town.

 

Who else is scum iyo?

 

 

I'm still quite content lynching DPR and Dice.  That hasn't changed all phase.

 

 

Again

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:58 PM, Shad_ said:

I'm going to switch to Dice before I leave if that's where this is headed.  Would prefer DPR but either can die.

 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 6:23 PM, Shad_ said:

alright consolidation time cause I won't be anywhere near a computer for the rest of the phase

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Literally waited as long as you could, but still able to avoid being the hammer.

[Adella]

  On 6/15/2017 at 3:47 AM, Shad_ said:

When half the field does it, I want to strangle kittens.

Uh... *backs away slowly*

 

 

Also, there you go, found all your posts referring to Dice like you asked for. And I change what I said. You actually never said why you think Dice is scum, except for the things you phrased as questions. Easy to cover your butt, but not actually saying firmly you think he is scum. If he was in your top two, I firmly believe if you were town you would have dropped your argument with DPR, seeing the distraction it was causing everyone, and focused on your other strong read since you so firmly believed he was scum. But no, you focused on DPR all phase, and then switch when it's convenient, with just enough tiny hints at Dice that you felt it would cover you when someone pointed all this out. Well, I'm that someone, I went back, and I still think you are mafia and you did all of those posts in the most calculated manner.

[Shad_]

I think you just cannot process the notion of engaging with someone in direct conversation to discern their alignment.

[Shad_]

You didn't accuse me of not dropping a lengthy case on him, and I never said that I did.  You said that I hadn't posted thoughts on him all game.  (And there were many more before the point you started tracking.)

 

I either continually engaged Dice throughout the game in an attempt to discern his alignment, and slowly lost confidence in him to the point where I was quite willing to lynch him, or I was scum faking the same.  There is no third option here.

[Shad_]

If you think that my progression on him was opportunistic, you're wrong but that doesn't make you a wolf.  If you want to claim that I did not develop a read on him, you're either lying or have zero grasp of how I play this game.

[Shad_]

And the latter is true of at least some villagers in this game, because there are not three wolves left.  But I hope you can understand how infuriating it is when I bust my butt trying to solve and face a constant barrage of people telling me I'm not doing anything.

[Shad_]

[unvote] I'll think on it tomorrow when I don't have a hot head.

[Shad_]

If the thread intends to make that possible for me lol

[Killashandra]

*fans self* whew its getting hot in here.

 

I was going to quote your quote of me but its super long so I will just answer it.

 

I put forth shad as who we should consider for a vote and kronos wanted to go with dice. I was busy the next day and let him choose. I started really looking harder at Shad toward eod that we lynched Nyn. His posts seemed erratic and so many one after the other. I dont know felt weird and disjointed trying to follow along. He seems very hostile and angry. Not really how I feel shad is normally. Now I mean that as in regular personality since I do not have much experience playing with him and none with him as scum. But my gut feel is as the game goes on he is becoming increasingly desperate in tone. I dont like it. Add that to his last min vote which at the time I said ooh thats not a good look and it would come back to him in some way. Next vote he did not vote for Nyn or anyone by eod. Thats when I really felt he was a red flag. The votes right before Dice hammered on cuth (bussed really I suppose) were Not voting (4): Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice as non voters. So in the end it was Eldrick and Shad as the non voters. I figured there was a wolf in the pair of those. That's my thought. It plays out for a few folks it seems, not just me.

 

vote Shad

[Killashandra]

Edit cuth* nyn had left by then sorry.

[Shad_]

Re: why I would not abandon DPR and focus my attention on Dice for most of the phase.

 

1) I thought DPR was a wolf, and nothing has happened to change that besides you throwing a mindfreak at me a little bit ago.  Ultimately I can lynch both of you if I need to so it's not a deep concern for me if I can reach a reasonable degree of confidence on everyone else.

 

2) Most players did not want to humor the possibility of DPR being a wolf.  There were no stated reasons based on his play.  Just gut/a sense that people didn't want to touch it/confirmation bias--Shanti went so far as to explain her read on him as she thinks he's villagery because she knows I am a wolf.  That is headdesk mindnumbingly irritating to me when I have a high degree of confidence in a read.

 

If I think someone is scum and no one wants to hear it but no one wants to tell me why I'm wrong either, I'm not going to shut up about it.  I'm going to press it ad nauseam until people humor my POV and take a stance on it.  That stance does not have to be agreement, but "gut" does not cut it in response to a stated reason from me.  Certainly not from players who have been willing to express opinions at length on others.  There is an intimidation element to DPR's game and it serves him well as both alignments, but I will not accept it as an excuse to avoid him providing his thoughts or others avoiding dissecting his play.

 

Dice was the consensus default lynch all phase.  Practically everyone had him near the bottom of their POE.  There was no need to rally the troops to go there.  I'm going to focus my time on the scum read that everyone is ignoring, not the cannon fodder that was inevitably going to be resolved through death sooner or later short of him revealing as IC or something.  I thought he had a good chance of flipping wolf and I said as much, and you can plainly see what got me there.  That is sufficient.  You don't have to like it, but people telling me where I ought to be focused isn't going to change where I'm focused.  Why should I? at Shanti because I made my stance clear and I couldn't care less who she thinks I ought to be voting.  I care who gets lynched.

 

Compare it to my stance on BFG.  I think lynching a self-confirming claim before giving it an opportunity to do so is garbage play and I pretty well hard defended her all phase whatever Shanti wants to spit about Shad is hard defending her in order to make us want to lynch her because we all know Shad is 100% guaranteed to flip wolf so he must be trying to make her look like she's his partner, or whatever that Zander-shaming tunnel I had to deal with was.  I did this because there was a real possibility that she might be lynched and I wasn't going to stand for it.  If everyone had been cool with letting the self-confirmation play out or fail to (some of you were, of course) I wouldn't have been hung up on the subject.  A Dice lynch was trending anyway so I had no compelling reason to harp on it, especially when he was not my #1 concern.

[Shad_]

  On 6/15/2017 at 4:35 AM, Killashandra said:

*fans self* whew its getting hot in here.

 

I was going to quote your quote of me but its super long so I will just answer it.

 

I put forth shad as who we should consider for a vote and kronos wanted to go with dice. I was busy the next day and let him choose. I started really looking harder at Shad toward eod that we lynched Nyn. His posts seemed erratic and so many one after the other. I dont know felt weird and disjointed trying to follow along. He seems very hostile and angry. Not really how I feel shad is normally. Now I mean that as in regular personality since I do not have much experience playing with him and none with him as scum. But my gut feel is as the game goes on he is becoming increasingly desperate in tone. I dont like it. Add that to his last min vote which at the time I said ooh thats not a good look and it would come back to him in some way. Next vote he did not vote for Nyn or anyone by eod. Thats when I really felt he was a red flag. The votes right before Dice hammered on cuth (bussed really I suppose) were Not voting (4): Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice as non voters. So in the end it was Eldrick and Shad as the non voters. I figured there was a wolf in the pair of those. That's my thought. It plays out for a few folks it seems, not just me.

 

vote Shad

 

 

I discussed this nonsense at length when Eldrick brought it up.  Did you read it?