[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 2:57 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:50 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:45 PM, Shad_ said:

If I am being an idiot and don't know it about the doc aspect someone please explain and stop just telling me I'm wrong.

No one died D1.

BFG dropped an uncountered claim to explain this.

A doc is improbable because of the kill sequence but if real can counter BFG's claim.

BFG gets killed eventually regardless?

Ergo, Doc shouldn't claim if they exist just to speed up her death.

If we aren't lynching her today then that's fine. Policy lynching a claimed Survivor who can be countered is stupid rather than just countering and lynching or else there is no counter and we let her slot resolve itself. With the cop dead doctor is a low value role at this point.

I don't see it that way, any PR for Town is possible value and it's better than it not existing.

Therefore, "Countering and lynching" is < Self-resolving, always, imo.

What's your read on Eldrick?

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:01 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:53 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:47 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:40 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 10:13 AM, Cass said:

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On 6/13/2017 at 5:41 AM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 4:36 AM, Cass said:
Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

On 6/12/2017 at 9:37 PM, BFG said:

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

She's not Scum.

Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically. Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game.

Mindmeld for all of that.

We've established she's non-Town.

Who else is scum iyo?

I'm still quite content lynching DPR and Dice. That hasn't changed all phase.

Great, except I want to see more from your head to try and decide between you and DPR <.<

What thoughts do you have on ISOs for

Adella

Killanos

?

Always with the questions and never the voting...

C'mon, you know you want to do it.

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 11:41 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Shad. On the off chance you are town, I want to understand your pov.

Sell me on dpr. Why is he scum?

Too late to give more than I already have this phase. :\ I had about one free hour between now and DL and I opted to burn it now rather than try to come back later so this is about all you're going to get from me before the lynch.

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

On the plus side it's warm enough to go swimming for the first time this summer. :cool:

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:38 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:19 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:17 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Based on our delightful repartee':

[v] Shad [/v]

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

You're going to move your vote after I give a reads list that puts the person player you were voting as the likely lynch, after you say that scum want to leave BFG in play?

I did answer that question - It's where the "same question" comes from.

Why haven't you answered my earlier questions?

You can talk all you want, but you have yet to put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. You want me to believe you? Lay down a vote.

Walk me through that answer again - I obviously didn't get it. Why would scum need to NK BFG tonight?

Go and read the post and tell me what the problem is with how I explained my thoughts.

And then answer my other questions.

And then maybe I'll have a better chance of figuring out where to put my vote :tongue:

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:12 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:38 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:19 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:17 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Based on our delightful repartee':

[v] Shad [/v]

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

You're going to move your vote after I give a reads list that puts the person player you were voting as the likely lynch, after you say that scum want to leave BFG in play?

I did answer that question - It's where the "same question" comes from.

Why haven't you answered my earlier questions?

You can talk all you want, but you have yet to put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. You want me to believe you? Lay down a vote.

Walk me through that answer again - I obviously didn't get it. Why would scum need to NK BFG tonight?

Go and read the post and tell me what the problem is with how I explained my thoughts.

And then answer my other questions.

And then maybe I'll have a better chance of figuring out where to put my vote

No. I've posted enough.

You do a little work now. Let us see what you think.

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Explain to me how she doesn't end up lynched?

Cass · June 13, 2017

Inb4 it's gambit between DPR/Shad

I h<3te you both.

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Also, with just under 40% of the players dead and nothing to show but VT's, a Goon and a standard cop, why is everyone so willing to believe her role? There's been plenty of spec that we don't even have a Doc, but somehow we have a F6 Survivor w/ BPV and game removal?

And nobody believes her - that's the kicker - not one person has said "yeah, sounds legit to me".

So you tell me, why can't she be lying? Her claim perfectly addresses all factors needed to keep her alive and what better way to do that than switching her game up?

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 11:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Shad I have as scum because of his attempt to get the doc to reveal, and because of his treatment of cuth's train. He acknowledged that that's where the day was going, but didn't really seem like he wanted it to.

Let's be clear on this and maybe it will clear up your head.

I would not do either of these things as either alignment. It's bottom tier stupid scumming, and that's not how I play. If it came off that way you misinterpreted it and that would be the case even if I was a wolf.

As I said, I feel no compulsion to press hard for a lynch that has as good as already happened when I can do something productive instead, and no one has explained why my suggestion that a doc reveal is not in town's best interest. (It is, if the alternative is lynching the uncountered N1 block claim).

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:12 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:38 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:19 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:17 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Based on our delightful repartee':

[v] Shad [/v]

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

You're going to move your vote after I give a reads list that puts the person player you were voting as the likely lynch, after you say that scum want to leave BFG in play?

I did answer that question - It's where the "same question" comes from.

Why haven't you answered my earlier questions?

You can talk all you want, but you have yet to put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. You want me to believe you? Lay down a vote.

Walk me through that answer again - I obviously didn't get it. Why would scum need to NK BFG tonight?

Go and read the post and tell me what the problem is with how I explained my thoughts.

And then answer my other questions.

And then maybe I'll have a better chance of figuring out where to put my vote

No. I've posted enough.

You do a little work now. Let us see what you think.

This is me doing work.

I'm considering you might be scum.

I'm asking you to explain things I find off, so I have more info to work with and evaluate in case you're Town.

If you're Town, explaining your actions where I don't understand them makes more sense than shading me and palming me off.

TLDR - you scummy :flamingsword:

No

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 PM, Cass said:

Inb4 it's gambit between DPR/Shad

I h<3te you both.

Inspiration for a future rand. :wink:

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:19 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Also, with just under 40% of the players dead and nothing to show but VT's, a Goon and a standard cop, why is everyone so willing to believe her role? There's been plenty of spec that we don't even have a Doc, but somehow we have a F6 Survivor w/ BPV and game removal?

And nobody believes her - that's the kicker - not one person has said "yeah, sounds legit to me".

So you tell me, why can't she be lying? Her claim perfectly addresses all factors needed to keep her alive and what better way to do that than switching her game up?

So WHY NOT LYNCH HER TODAY?

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

Note for myself, if I'm still alive when I get home pick up on p88.

/out until post lynch, sorry I couldn't stick around longer.

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

oh I see myself at the bottom of that page, might as well finish lol

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:15 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Explain to me how she doesn't end up lynched?

She does. She always does.

But she buys her team time.

And we have an unexplained N1, so you have to worry about that sort of thing.

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:19 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 PM, Cass said:

Inb4 it's gambit between DPR/Shad

I h<3te you both.

Inspiration for a future rand.

Dude, seriously.

*Headdesks*

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:19 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 11:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Shad I have as scum because of his attempt to get the doc to reveal, and because of his treatment of cuth's train. He acknowledged that that's where the day was going, but didn't really seem like he wanted it to.

Let's be clear on this and maybe it will clear up your head.

I would not do either of these things as either alignment. It's bottom tier stupid scumming, and that's not how I play. If it came off that way you misinterpreted it and that would be the case even if I was a wolf.

As I said, I feel no compulsion to press hard for a lynch that has as good as already happened when I can do something productive instead, and no one has explained why my suggestion that a doc reveal is not in town's best interest. (It is, if the alternative is lynching the uncountered N1 block claim).

This is absurd.

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:21 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:19 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 PM, Cass said:

Inb4 it's gambit between DPR/Shad

I h<3te you both.

Inspiration for a future rand.

Dude, seriously.

*Headdesks*

Totally wish this were true - I'd be loving it.

Cass · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:21 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:15 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Explain to me how she doesn't end up lynched?

She does. She always does.

But she buys her team time.

And we have an unexplained N1, so you have to worry about that sort of thing.

So - WHY NOT LYNCH HER TODAY

From your PoV?

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:22 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:19 PM, Shad_ said:

On 6/13/2017 at 11:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Shad I have as scum because of his attempt to get the doc to reveal, and because of his treatment of cuth's train. He acknowledged that that's where the day was going, but didn't really seem like he wanted it to.

Let's be clear on this and maybe it will clear up your head.

I would not do either of these things as either alignment. It's bottom tier stupid scumming, and that's not how I play. If it came off that way you misinterpreted it and that would be the case even if I was a wolf.

As I said, I feel no compulsion to press hard for a lynch that has as good as already happened when I can do something productive instead, and no one has explained why my suggestion that a doc reveal is not in town's best interest. (It is, if the alternative is lynching the uncountered N1 block claim).

This is absurd.

Here.

Here is your example.

He keeps doing this because it is working for him.

A villager is interested in solving my slot.

Shad_ · June 13, 2017

ok, overtime is up, glgl

DPR · June 13, 2017

On 6/13/2017 at 3:23 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:21 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:15 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:09 PM, Cass said:

On 6/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 PM, Cass said:

On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake.

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight.

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that.

I don't think she can be scum here?

Why not?

Outlandish claim = big win.

Explain to me how she doesn't end up lynched?

She does. She always does.

But she buys her team time.

And we have an unexplained N1, so you have to worry about that sort of thing.

So - WHY NOT LYNCH HER TODAY

From your PoV?

You need to find a mirror, look into it deeply and then slap yourself out of your stupor.

Okay, I really have to go.

Have fun, kids.

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