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  On 6/12/2017 at 4:07 AM, Shad_ said:

not a shocker but links on the front page imply game will go at least until d5 aka there are 3 scum whatever BFG is

This is gaming the mod and a horrible assumption. It's much more likely that Sooh is just being prepared.

 

If there are 3 scum and we lynch one today and one tomorrow, we win on d4.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 4:52 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 1:25 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You made all this up because I called you out D1. Your reveal is confusing at best and shady af. Your timing just makes it worse. No you're going to omgus me for voting you. LOL.

I feel like you're just stating things without presenting reasons.

Ok. Marking this as the point that you start to move against DPR

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Post that got me into shad's case. Checking to see if his suspicion of dpr matches with when he stopped thinking dpr was doc.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 5:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 4:36 AM, Cass said:

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:37 PM, BFG said:

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

 

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

 

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

 

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

 

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

 

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

 

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

 

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

 

She's not Scum.

 

 

Ok? Same same as my initial bold? 

Posted
  On 6/12/2017 at 6:03 AM, Shad_ said:

We're not lynching outside of BFG/DPR today.

Here is the post he mentions. The post he justifies by thinking dpr was doc and calling bfg out.
  On 6/12/2017 at 6:18 AM, Shad_ said:

no that doesn't add up cause the cop died

  
  On 6/12/2017 at 6:20 AM, Shad_ said:

I guess it technically could

  <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="Shad_" data-cid="3806097" data-time="1497248453">Shad_, on 11 Jun 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:<p>.....I'm just going to revisit this whole thought process when I can process thought. He seems to reconsider a few mins later, then he drops a vote on dpr, planning to process it when he's sober.I don't get why he felt the need to explain it the way he did. I don't get why he brought up doc claiming to out bfg, because it wouldn't.But his push on dpr really gets going after his remembering that the cop is dead and therefore doc is unlikely. So this matches up with what he said.
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So he wasn't trying to lynch who he thought was the doc. That's fine.

 

He spent a lot of time talking about getting the doc to reveal to out bfg as a wolf. This is an unreasonable scenario and reads to me as just trying to get the doc to reveal.

 

He also didn't get involved with the city lynch, as I mentioned before.

 

My vote stays.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 10:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

So he wasn't trying to lynch who he thought was the doc. That's fine.

He spent a lot of time talking about getting the doc to reveal to out bfg as a wolf. This is an unreasonable scenario and reads to me as just trying to get the doc to reveal.

He also didn't get involved with the cuth lynch, as I mentioned before.

My vote stays.

.....

*teaches my tablet "cuth"*

Posted
  On 6/11/2017 at 4:09 PM, Killashandra said:

Ok I mostly skimmed through posts from today and plan to go back. Before that I wanted to say real quick that during night phase me and Kronos were discussing taking a real close look at the non voters for last night phase. Eldrick took the alf spot and Shad saved that spot, in a way and right at the last second. I think that is worth another look. I will not be around as much until late tonight. I will be a little until around 2pm but after that I have to get ready and drive my boys to my sister's. I am going to go see Metalica has an early birthday gift. So Kronos will probably be around more than me.

 

 

Where did you guys get with this?

 

Thoughts on Shad-Alf/Eldrick now?

 

 

What did you both make of each of the other non-voters?

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 4:55 AM, Sooh said:

 

Vote count:

 

Dice (2): Killanos, Adella

 

BFG (2): DPR, Dice

 

DPR (2): BFG, Shad,

 

Shad (2): Shanti, Eldrick

 

Not voting (1): Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

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No pressure, eh cass?

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:10 AM, Cass said:

 

@Killa/Kronos, can you explain the bold below/what theory you were working on?

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 3:56 AM, Killashandra said:

Cuth I feel like your read of me and Kronos is not genuine and only comes because of our vote. Which is fine. We had good reasons for voting you. We had a theory about who was the cop and did not want to out anyone if we where right or wrong. Talking to much about why you bordered that. Its not as if I or Kronos ever had your slot as quasi questionable.

 

I am hoping this shakes down the way we assume it will.

@Killa, what do you mean by 'not as if ... ever had your slot as quasi questionable?'

 

 

This was the reads list you gave previously

  On 6/9/2017 at 12:54 AM, Killashandra said:

Tig I will give you a quick run down until I can sit at my laptop and run through quotes and shiz.

 

Shad has dropped from town to null. He could have just made a bad call on the vote but the lack of activity when he was so full steam before is meh. Not enough to make him scum to me but also not great. The keyboard thing could be legit though.

 

Still nothing from DPR so I got nothing there other than trepidation. Lol

 

I would like to see Cass and BFG thought s but they still sit in my townie pile from yesterday.

 

Shanti you put yourself as top town haha but I would not put you as high on mine. Still town but not at the tip top.

 

Cuthnyn is the same as yesterday. Cuth reads null/possible town and nyn reads ... Well nyn. She is a wild card at best.

 

I am still hopeful about town tig.

 

Dice is pretty middle of the road null with a side of tinfoil.

 

Alf is somewhat suspect at this point. Low activity and it feels more like slanking than busy because I did not see (but maybe missed) an explanation.

 

I dont know where to put Adella. She started off good but I get a funny feeling about her at times. I am waiting and watching to see what she says and does next.

I thought that shanti was cop based on her 100% comment

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*Kicks DM*

 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Hi Cass :D

 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:47 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 4:55 AM, Sooh said:

Vote count:

Dice (2): Killanos, Adella

BFG (2): DPR, Dice

DPR (2): BFG, Shad,

Shad (2): Shanti, Eldrick

Not voting (1): Cass

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

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No pressure, eh cass?

 

 

 

:tongue: Bite me/Hey Eld :wub:/Are you scum?

 

 

 

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Can you chuck out a full list of reads? / Where are you at on Dice now/why vote Shad over him if you think both are wolfy?

 

Where are you at with DPR? I see you questioning him/noting him ?deliberately not answering questions from others, but saying his stance on BFG is Town aligned?

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 10:39 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 4:09 PM, Killashandra said:

Ok I mostly skimmed through posts from today and plan to go back. Before that I wanted to say real quick that during night phase me and Kronos were discussing taking a real close look at the non voters for last night phase. Eldrick took the alf spot and Shad saved that spot, in a way and right at the last second. I think that is worth another look. I will not be around as much until late tonight. I will be a little until around 2pm but after that I have to get ready and drive my boys to my sister's. I am going to go see Metalica has an early birthday gift. So Kronos will probably be around more than me.

 

Where did you guys get with this?

 

Thoughts on Shad-Alf/Eldrick now?

 

 

What did you both make of each of the other non-voters?

We didn't really get to talk about it much. Killa was at a concert and busy most of yesterday. Between work and rehearsals it's been hard for me to keep up.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 6:19 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:24 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 AM, Shanti said:

@Adella are you still leaning DPR as your biggest scum atm? If not then who is?

 

@BFG same question to you.

 

@DPR same question

 

Sorry everything is all jumbled for me trying to read back through.

 

Cass where are you standing?

 

I'm not really leaning toward myself as my biggest scum. I mean, I'm good - but I'm not that good.

 

You settled after throwing your fit?

I love how you answered the first question, but not the more important second one.

 

 

 

You're joking here, right? 

 

Nobody is unclear on my views. Shanti had just yelled at me for not changing them...

 

Also, "the more important second" question is somewhat confusing in and of itself - how exactly is Adella supposed to know who is still leaning toward me? 

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Shad over dice. I have them as scum equally, but not as a team. I like the idea of keeping the trains tied.

 

I have dpr as town. Do believe I've already said that. While we don't agree on some points, I get where he's coming from and he seems to be trying to solve.

 

Dice I have as scum because of his treatment of nyn vs his treatment of Shad with the knowledge of nyn being scum.

 

Shad I have as scum because of his attempt to get the doc to reveal, and because of his treatment of cuth's train. He acknowledged that that's where the day was going, but didn't really seem like he wanted it to.

 

I agree on Shanti being town because of the spat between her and nyn. Her mentioning that she's town all over the place and her overly aggressive approach to the game are annoying, but not scummy.

 

I haven't looked too much into Adella. I have her as town because nyn said she was getting tigs and adella mixed up, and that's a weird thing to say about a teammate.

 

Bfg is a non-issue. She's either Survivor like she says or she's scum we'll eventually catch. Like I said, if we mislynch today, she's the lynch tomorrow. Can't risk losing because she pops out at f5 and we are 2/2

 

You i am horrible at reading so I havent tried yet.

 

Killanos I don't have a read on. I'll worry about them if need be later.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 11:57 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 6:19 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:24 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 AM, Shanti said:

@Adella are you still leaning DPR as your biggest scum atm? If not then who is?

 

@BFG same question to you.

 

@DPR same question

 

Sorry everything is all jumbled for me trying to read back through.

 

Cass where are you standing?

I'm not really leaning toward myself as my biggest scum. I mean, I'm good - but I'm not that good.

 

You settled after throwing your fit?

I love how you answered the first question, but not the more important second one.

 

You're joking here, right?

 

Nobody is unclear on my views. Shanti had just yelled at me for not changing them...

 

Also, "the more important second" question is somewhat confusing in and of itself - how exactly is Adella supposed to know who is still leaning toward me?

More important in the sense that the first question was about you, ergo not important for you to answer.

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  On 6/13/2017 at 12:00 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 11:57 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 6:19 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:24 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 AM, Shanti said:

@Adella are you still leaning DPR as your biggest scum atm? If not then who is?

 

@BFG same question to you.

 

@DPR same question

 

Sorry everything is all jumbled for me trying to read back through.

 

Cass where are you standing?

I'm not really leaning toward myself as my biggest scum. I mean, I'm good - but I'm not that good.

 

You settled after throwing your fit?

I love how you answered the first question, but not the more important second one.

 

You're joking here, right?

 

Nobody is unclear on my views. Shanti had just yelled at me for not changing them...

 

Also, "the more important second" question is somewhat confusing in and of itself - how exactly is Adella supposed to know who is still leaning toward me?

More important in the sense that the first question was about you, ergo not important for you to answer.

 

 

 

But a golden opportunity for snarkery, and that you cannot deny. 

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 11:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Shad over dice. I have them as scum equally, but not as a team. I like the idea of keeping the trains tied.

 

I have dpr as town. Do believe I've already said that. While we don't agree on some points, I get where he's coming from and he seems to be trying to solve.

 

Dice I have as scum because of his treatment of nyn vs his treatment of Shad with the knowledge of nyn being scum.

 

Shad I have as scum because of his attempt to get the doc to reveal, and because of his treatment of cuth's train. He acknowledged that that's where the day was going, but didn't really seem like he wanted it to.

 

I agree on Shanti being town because of the spat between her and nyn. Her mentioning that she's town all over the place and her overly aggressive approach to the game are annoying, but not scummy.

 

I haven't looked too much into Adella. I have her as town because nyn said she was getting tigs and adella mixed up, and that's a weird thing to say about a teammate.

 

Bfg is a non-issue. She's either Survivor like she says or she's scum we'll eventually catch. Like I said, if we mislynch today, she's the lynch tomorrow. Can't risk losing because she pops out at f5 and we are 2/2

 

Cass i am horrible at reading so I havent tried yet.

 

Killanos I don't have a read on. I'll worry about them if need be later.

Changed "you" to "cass" for the sake of anyone else that wants to use my reads list.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 12:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

But a golden opportunity for snarkery, and that you cannot deny.

Not even trying to. I liked your answer.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 5:46 AM, Cass said:

Skimmed to 1700 here from where I was yesterday.

 

 

 

Feeling like the BFG/setup debate has been pushed ad nauseum and to the distraction of further scum-hunting. 

I feel like the TLDR version is:

 

BFG has made a claim to be not-Town.

Town never makes that claim, it's possible she's Scum/3P but ?more likely she's 3p.

That is not likely to be an imminent threat to Town.

 

 

There's an argument for lynching BFG

- She's claimed not Town - Town never makes that claim. She either wins with Town/independently or she is scum. 

- I don't trust that she wins with Town

 

There's an argument for not lynching BFG 

- If her claim is true, mafia most need to lynch BFG here.

 

 

 

 

DPR's primary focus is lynching BFG.

Shad's primary focus is lynching DPR.

 

Shad and DPR are going hammer and tongs over mechanics/BFG related chat. Possibly passion, possibly wolfy on either/both parts, distracting and circular either way.

 

 

Cass (or anybody really), why the bold? Seems like the exact opposite to me - As scum, I leave BFG on the board FTW. Please explain.

 

I'd also like to add a bit of perspective re the rest of the game. 

 

* I don't feel like anything has been pushed "ad nauseum". To me, things have progressed at a fairly normal and unexcited pace and the people pushing for emo overload are just trying to paint a narrative.

 

* Shad's emo is unnecessary and is exactly what I describe above. He's not worried about people agreeing with him - he's a statistician ffs. He's trying to push a lynch and frustrated because he can't pull it off.

 

* I mentioned Shanti throwing a fit. It was in regard to her post toward me chastising me for not moving my vote to Shad right away. For clarity, my comment to her that she should relax speaks to the fact that I've seen good players fuzz up their own radar with too much emo, and I saw her stepping into this territory. It should be avoided. Common sense dictates that I'll move my vote out of self preservation, but we still have plenty of time for discussion and that is what will benefit Town the most.

 

* Given that we have 4 trains all tied at 2 votes, I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of uncertainty lingering... Uncertainty leads to mislynches. I see postings asking players to imagine their leans are town instead of scum, but consider this instead: don't imagine anything. Go with what you know. Lynch the admitted non-town player and increase town's odds of hitting scum tomorrow - it's just that simple. 

 

I'm here for a bit to answer q's. 

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