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Honestly, if I'm going to win as scum, I ain't doing it by calling out obvious plays against non-town.

 

Please though, don't give this thing away because you fall for a bad claim and pushing that makes no sense.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 5:07 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 5:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:57 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:53 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Meh, this is ridiculous. You're just scumming up the page.

I don't even have a response to this beyond obvious wolf is obvious.

 

We're lynching DPR today.

 

k bye

LOL

 

You're such a bad liar - you know perfectly well I'm Town.

I disagree with him being a bad liar. But I do agree that he knows you're town.

He just watched me play scum in the game he modded - he knows exactly that I'm Town. Whether or not folks buy his schtick is up to them, but imo there are enough contradictions to make him a bad liar.

 

Anyway, I've made my points.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 5:10 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Honestly, if I'm going to win as scum, I ain't doing it by calling out obvious plays against non-town.

 

Please though, don't give this thing away because you fall for a bad claim and pushing that makes no sense.

 

Who is this directed to?

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  On 6/12/2017 at 5:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 5:07 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 5:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:57 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:53 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Meh, this is ridiculous. You're just scumming up the page.

I don't even have a response to this beyond obvious wolf is obvious.

 

We're lynching DPR today.

 

k bye

LOL

 

You're such a bad liar - you know perfectly well I'm Town.

I disagree with him being a bad liar. But I do agree that he knows you're town.

He just watched me play scum in the game he modded - he knows exactly that I'm Town. Whether or not folks buy his schtick is up to them, but imo there are enough contradictions to make him a bad liar.

 

Anyway, I've made my points.

 

 

*Shrug* I'm re-reading the entire thread because he is so sporadic with his quoting and not quoting, his ISO is impossible to follow. He hides his lies well. But I believe he's scummy, so you and I are on the same side here. Just going after different things at this exact moment. I get you needing to see the BFG claim through, but my opinion is its a waste of time and vote and that by voting her, we are giving scum a leg up.

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@DPR I guess my main point is, that BFG isn't our biggest threat right now and this game could tilt either direction reallllly fast. It could tilt very far in scum's favor with one wrong move and I, personally feel going after BFG at this point in time is a very wrong move.

 

Just humor me...if you weren't so focused on BFG at the moment, who would you be focused on?

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IIRC, BFG has even stated that if she makes it to her wincon, she dies/leaves the game. Doesn't that mean she's an automatic kill for scum at this point? Killing her now just pushes it along and gives them an extra NK on us. That is what would tilt it very far in their favor. 

 

@Shad if you're town and this point has been made, why would DPR be scum for going after her if she's an auto kill, on the contrary it makes him very town which= your reason for wanting to lynch him is invalid, no? 

 

Again, I will reiterate that scum will just encourage town to lynch because it will help them. 

@DPR if you're town, why isn't scum going after her more hardcore....because they want us to waste this lynch. They want to let us do their dirty work for them. In doing so, we all but win the game for them.

 

If we lynch someone that is set to die anyway, it is really just a waste for town and gives scum a leg up as I previously stated. 

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Shad- Off the bat I see a lot of fluff in your ISO. That isn't so much a bad thing, but yours kept going. I see a couple of times where you purposely compare your town play to your scum (wolf) play. You throw in things like....

I hunt villagers (innocent enough on its own, but once you put everything together, not so much). Oh and using play on words such as "Ehhhhh it's a sad wolf who struggles to type "I'm town" for some cheese points."

"I routinely ask for links to games as a wolf because it's easy appearances and I don't have to more than 30 second skim them to have a baseline when I'm not actually concerned with alignments." You threw that in there for yet another comparison of your scum vs town play. 

Posted 06 June 2017 - 04:08 AM

Well that works too.  Thought maybe to see if they slip because wolf hydras generally just chat in scum QT.

 

Which is angley and kind of stupid but still generally villagery.

 

 

When you posted that, it irked me you mentioned it being in hopes of being a slip, but I think this in itself was a slip. It was fresh in your mind seeing cuthanyn chatting in your qt so your brain went there, but you're a smart and capable player so to play it off as a stroke of genius wouldn't be hard for you.

 

Fail number lost count at ISOing you so going back through entire thread again, but here is where you mentioned hunting villagers and reading it again STILL irks me.

Cass, on 05 Jun 2017 - 11:18 PM, said:snapback.png

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:18 AM, Cass said:

Why does your brain go straight to that? What about the possibility that it's random-easy-early-scummy-talk?

 

Because I hunt villagers.

It's not even a question I would have bothered to ask, but since you brought it up there were potential answers that could have been better than null.

 
It bothers me, will continue to bother me, so therefore it contributes me thinking you're scum. Sorry, not sorry. This is an instincts game, and I have pretty darn good instincts in and out of game, and my instincts say you're scum. They've said it this entire game, but I've doubted it here and there. I've second guessed myself quite a few times, but I won't anymore. 
 
Posts 171 and 172 stand out to me. 
Killa stated you are one she really wants to be town.
 
HERE you see fit to claim villager, although to me you mentioned it being a sad scum (wolf) that types it out for cheese points. Soooooo, your opinion on that changed between me questioning it and her questioning it?
 
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 08:39 PM

WolfbrotherKronos, on 06 Jun 2017 - 3:05 PM, said:snapback.png

  On 6/6/2017 at 7:05 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

Cuth, on 06 Jun 2017 - 1:25 PM, said:snapback.png

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:25 PM, Cuth said:

sup

cass, shad, tigs all pretty confident town

no real thoughts the other way

sorry about not getting around to this until now

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1. Why the confidence in them

2. Cute gif

 

1. towny enough that i'm taking them off the table d1 and probably d2 unless something MAJOR happens

 

cass would have a super super hard time sounding exactly like this as scum

 

she chooses different alleys of play in such situations

 

tigraine i liked her ?first? post very much, can talk more about that if you want

 

shad is less solid more overall tone and way he's playing

 

and i admit i haven't played with him a ton, but i'd be super surprised if he's scum here

 

So here, cuth (a known scum) claims 3 townies. My initial gut said that at least one had to be scum. My re-gut, stated the same after tigs flipped cop. My re-ISO's cleared Cass, but my re-read as I can't read your ISO gives me willies over and over and over again. So here, I shall stake my claim, that this was Cuth's attempt to clear you from doubt. 

 

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:22 PM

Not sure what I make of shad, somewhere in posting lots but not really advancing the game  :unsure: but? 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At this point I would have to agree with BFG here. You were in the thread quite a bit, but you weren't really ADVANCING the game any. You were giving off small reads here and there, but your overall contribution was lacking. This isn't a major thing, and again, wouldn't be much on its own, but it is another thing in the equation that = you being scummy for me. 

 

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 12:55 AM

At any rate BFG is town, so there's that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember when I kept bringing this up because it was bugging me? It was initially bugging me because I assumed scummates here, at the time, BFG was pinging my scum radar slightly....but I now believe it was bugging me because 1.) It WAS a random statement to put after your interaction over Cass being scummy or not for asking about games (to generalize the discussion). 2.) It just reads so....final. Idk. Its still nagging at me so its going on your reads list as a hmmm moment. 

 

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 01:01 AM

BFG, on 06 Jun 2017 - 7:57 PM, said:snapback.png

  On 6/6/2017 at 11:57 PM, BFG said:

 

Shad_, on 06 Jun 2017 - 7:55 PM, said:snapback.png

  On 6/6/2017 at 11:55 PM, Shad_ said:

At any rate BFG is town, so there's that.


You're normally far more hesitant to read me  :dry:

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

This is part of why I pegged scummates. Its a very scummy exchange. But now that in my head I've cleared BFG because I believe her, the only constant in this particular equation is you as scummy.

 

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 01:04 AM

If you focus on my slot this much this early as a wolf and it's for any purpose other than telling me I'm the towniest town to ever town, I'll be impressed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This right here hurts my head. So much ouch. I take it as you bragging about how town you look. <.< 

 

 

From post 277 to 281 you pretty well talk in a circle. 

First glance they look like reads.

Second glance they look like reads.

Third glance they seem off. 

Fourth glance which I'm on now, it seems you're spouting off things to imitate reads. You randomly stated you liked Cuth's snap reads because he's a capable player.

That Darthe has done much of nothing and that Dice hasn't started playing.

You compare DPR to Cuth stating neither took control of the thread when they could have...

reiterate that Dice has done nothing and neither has Alf....

 

Its saying a whole bunch of nothing without saying anything at all, its pure fluff, and its there to make you look more town than what you are.

It was a good way to mix in scummates with people you know to be town.

 

Going to submit this as it is taking quite a while to read 75 pages worth of content  I'm on page 15. Your ISO is literally the first, I haven't been able to handle. >.<

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  On 6/7/2017 at 2:53 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/5/2017 at 8:27 PM, Shad_ said:

:hopper:

 

So what's your level of experience playing Mafia?

 

 

unvote vote shad

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:18 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:05 AM, LedZepMan said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 1:34 AM, Cass said:

LZM - Why'd you ask WBK about QT interactions for hydra?

 

That was discussed/obvious in the game we just finished (with Dice and I as hydra).

As to the fact that that was my first game with this foreign "hydra" policy, I kind of assumed that the two players could communicate.

 

And then I remembered what they say about assuming. So I wanted to ask to make sure.

 

 

Pretty sure Dice/I specifically mentioned our QT in that game, but KK for now.

 

*watches*

 

 

 

agreed

 

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

 

You can be high effort mafia, but I'm not sure that extends to researching a player's offsite games and would seem an ~odd thing to lie about. Also like your start in general

 

Because stating a mindmeld then contradicting said mindmeld looks odd

 

 

disagree   think shes done that before as scum. 

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 4:02 PM, Shad_ said:

I routinely ask for links to games as a wolf because it's easy appearances and I don't have to more than 30 second skim them to have a baseline when I'm not actually concerned with alignments.  Cass is villageryish because she's Cassing, not going to worry about her at this point.

 

That being said DL is in just a little over 24 hours so more content from most of you would be quite nice.  My wtl is exactly not Cass or Shanti right now.

 

if cass is being cassish then im gonna want to lynch her.

 

shad cass team?

 

 

 

sorry i havent been here  work has sucked last 2 days and ive been getting home and crashing early.

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:58 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:53 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/5/2017 at 8:27 PM, Shad_ said:

:hopper:

 

So what's your level of experience playing Mafia?

 

 

unvote vote shad

 

Oh for the love of god.

 

*bashes Dice over the head*

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:05 AM, Cass said:

Also, Dice - why skip to Shad instead of following up on Alf?

 

What do you make of him since your vote?

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:08 AM, dicetosser1 said:

cause shads liable to actually do that.

 

I read nyn and taking in stuff she said after   and i think she was bored. and a bored nyn is a nyn who trolls.

 

 

 

just saw ure last cass  Alf was only ever a welcome to mafia joke vote.

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:09 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:05 AM, Cass said:

Thoughts on Dice's re-entry?/Why bash him but not give analysis?

I assume he's not done already.

 

If that was his entire catch-up then uh..........

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:10 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:08 AM, dicetosser1 said:

cause shads liable to actually do that.

Because you've totally never seen me do it as a villager, right?

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:20 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:08 AM, dicetosser1 said:

cause shads liable to actually do that.

 

I read nyn and taking in stuff she said after   and i think she was bored. and a bored nyn is a nyn who trolls.

 

 

 

just saw ure last cass  Alf was only ever a welcome to mafia joke vote.

 

Get that, have been waiting on your take on his reaction.

 

He's been in since then and not posted about it. 

 

You voting players new-to-site is null. You not following it up is maybe less so??

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:44 AM, Shad_ said:

Methinks Dice has left us.

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:50 AM, Shad_ said:

When the Last One Standing game is getting more RT interaction than Mafia.  :dry:

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:50 AM, Shad_ said:

Cass Shanti who we lynchin

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:52 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im at work shad.  too busy to really post.  am trying to read along tho

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:56 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:52 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im at work shad.  too busy to really post.  am trying to read along tho

 

Gimme your thoughts on more than me and Cass when you have time.

 

 

 

Going ahead and posting these. This entire exchange looks like nothing more than successful distancing to me. Dice votes you, you react just enough, but then there's Cass doing Cass and picking things apart so she basically pushes Dice to explain himself. You both post a bit and distancing is from both sides. Then you play off him leaving like it isn't really a big thing to you. 

 

The entire exchange reads fake.

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@Shanti, I don't have a counter for accusations like that.  I don't believe you're scum because of stuff with Nyn that would be would be a Penny-tier low blow and I don't think Nyn would go there.  You'll learn with experience that there's nothing wolfy about talking self-meta, dropping early snap reads, etc.  If you honestly think I haven't been heavily involved in this game I can't help you there.  It's easy to pick out generic statements like "Bob is null because he hasn't posted" when there are like 400 posts to choose from.  Look at the totality of it and look me in the eyes and tell me you think I'm a wolf.

 

And if you do whatever, others will figure me out. 

 

DPR knows better and is just a wolf.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:05 PM, Shad_ said:

@Shanti, I don't have a counter for accusations like that.  I don't believe you're scum because of stuff with Nyn that would be would be a Penny-tier low blow and I don't think Nyn would go there.  You'll learn with experience that there's nothing wolfy about talking self-meta, dropping early snap reads, etc.  If you honestly think I haven't been heavily involved in this game I can't help you there.  It's easy to pick out generic statements like "Bob is null because he hasn't posted" when there are like 400 posts to choose from.  Look at the totality of it and look me in the eyes and tell me you think I'm a wolf.

 

And if you do whatever, others will figure me out. 

 

DPR knows better and is just a wolf.

 

*Looks you in the eyes* you're scum.

 

I'm on page 16 right now and found a post I remember wanting to remember last night when I read it. Its telling me quite a bit. 

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  On 6/7/2017 at 4:33 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 4:13 AM, Cuth said:

fair enough

 

i saw you strongly townread bfg

 

could you talk to me about that

She's fooled me a time or two by just faking asking a lot of questions and being generally reasonable, and in general I think she's probably got a lot in common with me in terms of scum tells--namely she can sound good in any given instant but will taper off once she's achieved a comfortable position vs continually staying on the gas.

 

But in this case it's more just that we've played a lot of games together and I doubt she's going to have a go at me early as a wolf when she can just as easily pocket me for a phase or two without drawing my attention.  It's been talked about in post-games often enough to be something she's aware of, but in general I think we both ascribe to a path of least resistance approach to scumming, i.e. don't take a risk that can backfire when you can skate by just fine under the radar and kill the people who will cause trouble for you later in the game.

 

 

 

Sounds almost exactly like you this game. 

 

I'll admit, this is difficult not having a set town game and set scum game to compare you to, but my gut continuously points to you as scum and this helps solidify you. You stay active in thread throughout this entire game, but you aren't hard pressing anything, seems like you're taking the path of least resistance. 

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Re: DPR I have been in this sort of situation many times before.  It's quite a bit like arguing with scum!AJ.  He's crafty and he'll spin everything you say back at you and he'll feign confusion and blatantly misrep and fight on and on and on until the moment he's dead.  You can be baited into arguing with him for eternity until the village is so sick and tired of reading it that they just conclude that you both look bad, or you can put on the breaks and say "a villager would have tried to understand me by now instead of just egging on an endless battle", and you stop playing their game and you call them a wolf and vote them and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:07 PM, Shanti said:

*Looks you in the eyes* you're scum.

 

I'm on page 16 right now and found a post I remember wanting to remember last night when I read it. Its telling me quite a bit.

That's nice sweets.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:13 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:07 PM, Shanti said:

*Looks you in the eyes* you're scum.

 

I'm on page 16 right now and found a post I remember wanting to remember last night when I read it. Its telling me quite a bit.

That's nice sweets.

 

 

:x

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:16 PM, Shad_ said:

If it helps you to ISO other games here's a list for you. Defending myself when I feel like a super obvious villager is frustrating as hell and a waste of my time, going to get back to catch-up in and out as I find time.

 

Thank you, but your other games matter not to me. Just as Nyn's "meta" didn't matter to me. Some people may change their game styles from one game to the next, so reading a past game may only muddle my clear thoughts on you.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:16 PM, Shad_ said:

If it helps you to ISO other games here's a list for you. Defending myself when I feel like a super obvious villager is frustrating as hell and a waste of my time, going to get back to catch-up in and out as I find time.

 

I dislike that almost enough to change my vote to you now. As a villager, the point is to NEVER stop defending yourself and to NEVER stop scum hunting until you're dead or win. Maybe you tried to hard to appear as a super obvious villager and now its biting you in the buttocks and THAT is what is frustrating you.

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  On 6/11/2017 at 5:33 PM, Shanti said:

 

Adella- I went through and ISO'd you in P+C and in this game side by side, because I couldn't help but feel like you were different this game, but I have not played with you as scum so I couldn't tell if your gameplay was different because you were scum, or if it was maybe out of game things seeping into your gameplay. Your first few posts are pretty much identical. "Joke" vote off the bat. Light reads list a few posts in. I'm honestly not seeing that big a difference in gameplay, but your tone does seem different. You're coming in alot this game close to dl stating you're here, you need to do this or that, but theres no time because dl is here so you'll do it later. Beginning of d2 you basically said I was scum, and it felt quite tunnel visioned after that trying to get your point across. I HAVE stated I'm town alot, I have denied being scum alot, because anytime someone mentions alignment and their own alignment comes into or will come into question, its brought up that "oh well here, you could have stated you were town, but didn't claim it, then, that looks fishy." What is boils down to is, depending on the angle, EVERYTHING looks fishy. I believe you're reading too much into the wrong things, but that is a trait you have (once you're convinced of/committed to something) you try to find every single thing there is to find that would show that person is scum. I want to say I don't believe you're scum at this point, just passionate. Yesterday I did claim you could be a scum buddy and threw it out there, because you were assisting in an attack on me by someone I believed was scum (which I turned out to be right on) but going back with a clear mind and re-reading everything I could see your point and you weren't necessarily taking CuthaNyn's side (they weren't even really calling me scum) or really even defending them, you were just firing shots while Nyn was firing shots so in the moment, it seemed as if I was being attacked by teammates. I still want to hear from you and why you didn't vote them after Tig's reveal, but maybe you're just that skeptical of her and that paranoid in this game, which I can relate to because last game I started to question literally everything. I'm going to lean town based off of my read, even if you're wrong about my alignment, that will remain unless you say something in your update that hits me otherwise.

 

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bite me.

 

This all reads fake to me.

Then my favorite of all... after ALL of your defending Nyn, and AFTER her fate was pretty well sealed... THEN you jump on the wagon. As a last attempt to try to make yourself look a bit better and distance? Gave nothing more than the quote by Tig's reveal.

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"vote cuth/nyn"

 

Reads oh so scummy to me.

Really need to hear from you, but after all that I've read, not sure it will even help at this point.

 

 

More coming, guys things are getting hectic where I am and I also need to start getting ready for a 6 hour drive home. Still fully intend to ISO everyone else, though.

 

This is the response that I was wanting D2. This is an honest to goodness townie explaining things and asking good questions. I felt that your out of the gate witch Hunt in Shad was overdone, and then you so easily switch to Cuth it was hitting me just the wrong way. I feel that all of your posts today have redeemed that.

 

As to why I didn't vote for Cuth... Girl... I literally explained myself as it happened lol. I was here, and we had over 17 hours. I spend a good hour or more on the thread talking to people. I specifically said I was ready to hammer, but we hadn't heard from everyone yet. I was afraid I would hammer, and then someone who hadn't checked in would counter claim the next day and then I would be top scum suspect for being the hammer without stopping to think. I fully intended to hammer in the morning after everyone had the chance to post, but Dice got there before I did. I actually find his lack of waiting to be kind of suspicious, because scum know when scum gets called out so they need to out themselves on that train right quick in my experience.

 

As far as me coming in right at the deadline, I've only done that once, lol, it's not fair to say I keep doing it. I had a lot of interaction on D2 and did everything that was asked of me, and then put in some good work on my own. I know a lot has happened, but I do find it hard to believe that you missed that.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:24 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:16 PM, Shad_ said:

If it helps you to ISO other games here's a list for you. Defending myself when I feel like a super obvious villager is frustrating as hell and a waste of my time, going to get back to catch-up in and out as I find time.

 

Thank you, but your other games matter not to me. Just as Nyn's "meta" didn't matter to me. Some people may change their game styles from one game to the next, so reading a past game may only muddle my clear thoughts on you.

 

 

For what it's worth, I don't.

 

I have a town strategy that works effectively for me and when I rand scum I try my best to emulate it. Scum!Shad looks like a half-assed version of town!Shad.

 

I don't buy into the idea that players should switch up their games for scum cover.  I play to win as many games as possible.  Most of the games I play in, I will be town.  If I mix up my town game a bunch to provide cover for my scum game, I'm going to lose more.  If I maintain my town game but play blatantly differently as scum rather than attempting to emulate it, I'm just going to be obvious every time.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:27 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:16 PM, Shad_ said:

If it helps you to ISO other games here's a list for you. Defending myself when I feel like a super obvious villager is frustrating as hell and a waste of my time, going to get back to catch-up in and out as I find time.

 

I dislike that almost enough to change my vote to you now. As a villager, the point is to NEVER stop defending yourself and to NEVER stop scum hunting until you're dead or win. Maybe you tried to hard to appear as a super obvious villager and now its biting you in the buttocks and THAT is what is frustrating you.

 

 

My actions speak for themselves.  Defending myself is a distraction.

 

Like right now, I'm frustrated that I'm responding to this instead of using the time I've got to catch up.

 

I still do it, to an extent.  It's instinctive.  But I try to minimize it.  I often put people who are tunneling me on ignore to help with that (but believe me you're a far way off from full!Zander.  :tongue:).  In general "villagers should always defend themselves" sounds nice on paper but I disagree.  Villagers should be honest and open with their thoughts.  How they think varies with each individual.

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  On 6/12/2017 at 6:32 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:24 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:16 PM, Shad_ said:

If it helps you to ISO other games here's a list for you. Defending myself when I feel like a super obvious villager is frustrating as hell and a waste of my time, going to get back to catch-up in and out as I find time.

 

Thank you, but your other games matter not to me. Just as Nyn's "meta" didn't matter to me. Some people may change their game styles from one game to the next, so reading a past game may only muddle my clear thoughts on you.

 

 

For what it's worth, I don't.

 

I have a town strategy that works effectively for me and when I rand scum I try my best to emulate it. Scum!Shad looks like a half-assed version of town!Shad.

 

I don't buy into the idea that players should switch up their games for scum cover.  I play to win as many games as possible.  Most of the games I play in, I will be town.  If I mix up my town game a bunch to provide cover for my scum game, I'm going to lose more.  If I maintain my town game but play blatantly differently as scum rather than attempting to emulate it, I'm just going to be obvious every time.

 

 

I don't know how else to say it. I feel you're scum. My gut says so. Pretty much every figment of my being is telling me I'm right. I won't back down. I'm truly sorry, but my opinion won't change. I truly wish I hadn't made myself sleep on it and had posted all of my thoughts last night. I found it hard to find everything again and to get all of last nights thoughts in order when reading them. 

 

It boils down to, you and dice are both very good players. Very intelligent. You were both thrown in the the wolf's den with Nyn because she truly seemed like a wildcard. I feel dice wanted to be a good teammate and defend her, but as I'm now seeing with Nyn, it backfired because she doesn't like to be helped. BUT I feel that as a precaution, you and dice took it among yourselves to do what you two could to still try to get a scum win and that was distancing. 

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