[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[BFG]

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

I know lol

[Eldrick4221]

It is a very odd wincon, to say the least.

[BFG]

and I can't for the life of me find the Shanti post I liked anymore..

I would be very surprised if Shanti was mafia after her/tigs/nyn yesterday. Plus Shanti was coming out against Nyn pretty early yesterday

[BFG]

It is a very odd wincon, to say the least.

Sort of, but that conversation belongs in the DT :)

[BFG]

Eldrick, what's your read on Shad?

[DPR]

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

 

 

Not a good look. 

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now. 

 

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

 

 

 

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

Eldrick, what's your read on Shad?

Shad is a hard read for me.

I'm not a fan of his "Alf is scum because he's not here when he was excited". That's null to me and feels like attacking an inactive.

I don't like his vote switch at EoD1, but know that all the trains were town so the move itself is null. Could be town going with his gut or scum changing for #reasons. Leaning town on that because I know all the trains.

I don't remember anything else from him.

[Eldrick4221]

And if she's telling the truth?

 

Not only does she lose, but we are no closer to winning.

 

Do you actually think she's scum. If so, why?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

Not a good look.

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now.

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

 

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Town don't win lynching survivors, they win lynching mafia. You know this, lynching me is one lynch closer to losing. The F6 part of my wincon means I can't mafia side, which means mafia want to lynch me as that moves closer to their wincon

 

So [v]DPR[/v]

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

Not a good look.

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now.

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Town don't win lynching survivors, they win lynching mafia.

You know this,

lynching me is one lynch closer to losing if town. The F6 part of my wincon means I can't mafia side, which means mafia want to lynch me as that moves closer to their wincon

 

So [v]DPR[/v]

Ebwop

[DPR]

And if she's telling the truth?

 

Not only does she lose, but we are no closer to winning.

 

Do you actually think she's scum. If so, why?

 

 

What if Cuth was telling the truth? Point is, she's our best pick for scum right now, no?

 

You commented that it's a weird win con. I commented that the timing struck me as odd. She admitted she's not Town and keeps trying to bring focus to the F6 part of her claim - if she's mafia and they have something like an extra kill, that's it for us.

 

You want Town to win or the 3p? If it's Town, you get rid of non-townies. Simple as that.  

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Dice (1): Eldrick

 

BFG (1): DPR

 

DPR (1): BFG

 

Not voting (6):  Cass, Shad, Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, Dice, Adella

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah. That edit wasn't necessary.

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

Not a good look.

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now.

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

 

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Town don't win lynching survivors, they win lynching mafia. You know this, lynching me is one lynch closer to losing. The F6 part of my wincon means I can't mafia side, which means mafia want to lynch me as that moves closer to their wincon

 

So [v]DPR[/v]

 

 

You made all this up because I called you out D1.

 

Your reveal is confusing at best and shady af. Your timing just makes it worse. No you're going to omgus me for voting you. LOL.

[BFG]

Lol, no

I don't mechanically destroy any chances of surviving end game if mafia

Nor do I nudge Nyn day 1, if I'm bussing I bus, or I ignore her the way everyone else was

[BFG]

There's nothing confusing about my claim. It's entirely self-resolving

[Eldrick4221]

 

And if she's telling the truth?

Not only does she lose, but we are no closer to winning.

Do you actually think she's scum. If so, why?

 

 

 

What if Cuth was telling the truth? Point is, she's our best pick for scum right now, no?

 

You commented that it's a weird win con. I commented that the timing struck me as odd. She admitted she's not Town and keeps trying to bring focus to the F6 part of her claim - if she's mafia and they have something like an extra kill, that's it for us.

 

You want Town to win or the 3p? If it's Town, you get rid of non-townies. Simple as that.

No. She's not. Not because of her claim.

 

Not town doesn't mean scum. Lynching not scum still doesn't help.

 

F6 wincon being weird doesn't mean it's untrue.

 

Mafia having an extra kill in a basic game with apparently no doc is absurd.

 

Give me a reason that bfg is scum besides her claim.

[Eldrick4221]

Any doc worth their salt would have protected tigs. That she died means there likely isn't a doc, which gives credibility to Beth's vest claim.

Just noticed that autocorrect thinks your name is Beth

[Eldrick4221]

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

Reminder

[Eldrick4221]

Well this was an interesting end to my day, to say the least

 

Dpr, you mentioned you wanted to respond to my first post of the day. I'm curious what you wanted to say.

 

Bfg, I get why you think dpr is scum for wanting to lynch you, but his outlook does also make sense from a town pov. I don't agree with it, and it needs more substance than your claim, but him sussing you for the claim isn't bad.

 

I look forward to seeing other people's responses to this after I wake up. See you guys later.

[BFG]

DPR thinks I'm 3P, not mafia. If he thought I was fake claiming as mafia I might agree

 

I'm also interested in the Cuth/nyn defence as I don't recall town-hunting from his town play, but I don't remember his mafia game, so that may be null

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

Not a good look.

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now.

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

 

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Town don't win lynching survivors, they win lynching mafia. You know this, lynching me is one lynch closer to losing. The F6 part of my wincon means I can't mafia side, which means mafia want to lynch me as that moves closer to their wincon

 

So [v]DPR[/v]

 

 

You made all this up because I called you out D1.

 

Your reveal is confusing at best and shady af. Your timing just makes it worse. No you're going to omgus me for voting you. LOL.

 

 

 

Lol, no

I don't mechanically destroy any chances of surviving end game if mafia

Nor do I nudge Nyn day 1, if I'm bussing I bus, or I ignore her the way everyone else was

 

 

There's nothing confusing about my claim. It's entirely self-resolving

 

 

It's all a little too pat. 

 

How convenient for you that you have the "f6" win con. 

 

You had no pressure to reveal and you had less reason to reveal when you did. Straight up, it looks like exactly what scum would do if they wanted to preserve a player until as close to endgame as possible.

 

LOL at trying to show us your playbook - not much point in playing if you don't switch your game up from time to time, eh? 

[DPR]

DPR thinks I'm 3P, not mafia. If he thought I was fake claiming as mafia I might agree

 

I'm also interested in the Cuth/nyn defence as I don't recall town-hunting from his town play, but I don't remember his mafia game, so that may be null

 

 

Oh, I absolutely think you're mafia. That's why Im voting you.

 

If you were really a Survivor, you wouldn't have claimed when you did. It doesn't resolve anything - it only brings more distraction into the game 

[DPR]

 

 

And if she's telling the truth?

Not only does she lose, but we are no closer to winning.

Do you actually think she's scum. If so, why?

 

 

What if Cuth was telling the truth? Point is, she's our best pick for scum right now, no?

 

You commented that it's a weird win con. I commented that the timing struck me as odd. She admitted she's not Town and keeps trying to bring focus to the F6 part of her claim - if she's mafia and they have something like an extra kill, that's it for us.

 

You want Town to win or the 3p? If it's Town, you get rid of non-townies. Simple as that.

No. She's not. Not because of her claim.

 

Not town doesn't mean scum. Lynching not scum still doesn't help.

 

F6 wincon being weird doesn't mean it's untrue.

 

Mafia having an extra kill in a basic game with apparently no doc is absurd.

 

Give me a reason that bfg is scum besides her claim.

 

 

Name another player more likely to be scum. 

 

I'm saying that her claim benefits scum more than anyone, ergo she's most likely to be scum.

 

She looked scummy on D1. I called it out then. Will revisit that reasoning after folks have a chance to react to her claim. 

 

F6 wincon seems lame. it would imply that there was some challenge beyond the norm that required skill to last that long. We have a 13 player game with normal roles so far - making her Survivor claim more absurd than my speculation that for her claim to exist, there would need to be something to balance it.

 

Much more likely that she's just scum - exactly the way that you treated Cuth's claims.  

[Eldrick4221]

Something occurred to me.

 

Bfg, you say you revealed now because of a scum death. Does that mean you were considering winning with them?