[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Cuth]

Lol that is kinda funny. Not saying anything about that for either of you other than ha.

hm?

[Shanti]

Oy. I feel like I just attacked one scum and the buddy is there to back them up. LZM did have much more content than either of those iirc. But you both voted LZM based on him doing nothing. I gave quite a bit of reasoning behind voting LZM, even if I was incorrect. How could you not expect anyone to point fingers at either of you for voting town? Once I saw he flipped scum I knew I would be suspect, yet my first thought was at least one of you if not both HAS to be scum.

 

I refuse to back down, but I am no longer going to go in circles with either of you. My vote on LZM was an honest mistake, I was truly convinced he was scum.. Darthe was actually on my scum list too, so I was surprised when his mod kill flipped town.

 

I feel you're grasping at straws and using my confusion to TRY to trip me up, but I have nothing to hide. Why? Because I'm town. Twist my words, but I am 100% town and i am now 100% confident you (cuth) are scum and my vote will not move.

[Shad_]

5. LedZepMan - Seems consistent with the last game so far, which is town.

I asked you this before and didn't get an answer; I know it probably seems petty but it's legit eating at me.  What did you think was consistent between last game and his D1 here?

[Shad_]

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

[Killashandra]

 

(I have thoughts but this is far more informative/entertaining)

[Shad_]

I wish AJ was here to good cop/bad cop with me.

[Cuth]

Oy. I feel like I just attacked one scum and the buddy is there to back them up. LZM did have much more content than either of those iirc. But you both voted LZM based on him doing nothing. I gave quite a bit of reasoning behind voting LZM, even if I was incorrect. How could you not expect anyone to point fingers at either of you for voting town? Once I saw he flipped scum I knew I would be suspect, yet my first thought was at least one of you if not both HAS to be scum.

 

I refuse to back down, but I am no longer going to go in circles with either of you. My vote on LZM was an honest mistake, I was truly convinced he was scum.. Darthe was actually on my scum list too, so I was surprised when his mod kill flipped town.

 

I feel you're grasping at straws and using my confusion to TRY to trip me up, but I have nothing to hide. Why? Because I'm town. Twist my words, but I am 100% town and i am now 100% confident you (cuth) are scum and my vote will not move.

i voted him because his content, again, which was over 10 posts, again, was super super underwhelming wrt what he said and when and why

 

and, again, because it was more than i had on anyone else, and i've explained what i feel on every player and why as far as i know, might have forgotten a person or two who've barely posted

 

either way

 

look

 

i still think you're town, and this exchange has made me feel even more confident in said read

 

at the same time

 

you're accusing me on false grounds, your points against both me and shad are not legitimate in any way, and you're working yourself into a tunnel in a super unproductive way

 

i was not saying that "oh, you're scum, you're dragging attention on their voters away from yourself and onto the other two zep voters"

 

because that doesn't make sense

 

i was confused why you were making such a big deal of our votes while having voted him yourself for a reason that was not really better in any way

 

and i found it slightly amusing

 

nevertheless

 

can we work together

 

can you not just tunnel me all phase

 

i don't mind, there are worse things that could happen, but it's a waste of everyone's time

 

if you still think i'm scum at the end of the day, be my guest and vote me

 

on your own head be it

[Cuth]

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

[Cuth]

@dice where are you at on alf

 

what are your other thoughts on gamestate

 

@alf where are you at on dice

 

same question wrt gamestate

[Killashandra]

I actually had my slight doubts on her but...

 

She seems super earnest and open right now which reads well. (Also kinda seeing why people were saying we are similar. Since I do the same when I am really feeling something right or wrong.)

 

I need coffee. I am around though.

[Shad_]

@ Shanti if you are a villager please address my concerns.  You're not someone who I think would struggle to fake a little emotion.  I need to see your thought process.  Your stated reasons behind voting LZM was his question about hydra chat and comment that he wasn't used to no night chat.  You pointed out that his last game had a hydra and no night chat, but what about that struck you as scummy.  Beyond that you just said he lacked substance and seemed extremely scummy.  You're arguing that lack of substance was not a good reason to vote him.  Give me some details on what the extreme scumminess was from, or was it just the above two questions?

[Cuth]

I actually had my slight doubts on her but...

 

She seems super earnest and open right now which reads well. (Also kinda seeing why people were saying we are similar. Since I do the same when I am really feeling something right or wrong.)

 

I need coffee. I am around though.

who do you think is scum

[Shad_]

Also, LZM's game related content:

 

 

 

Well, I'd say cass is a bit different than last game. D1 cass was hot n heavy, doing that question everything everybody says thing. Maybe it's less activity, or a gameplay change. Hard to tell right now.

 

:???:

 

Darthe didn't have much to say but to say LZM had distinctly more is just factually wrong.

 

Which doesn't mean villagers don't get confused but I need to see advancement in thought progression based on new information here.

[Shanti]

I just got to my destination. Update soon.

[Shad_]

 

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

 

Bad OMGUS in the face of reasonable questions basically. It was a low pressure setting for a village who could just elaborate on her thought process vs a high pressure setting for a wolf who realizes they didn't have jack to back up their statements.  But we'll see what she comes back with.

 

You disagree, obviously. Talk to me about it.

[Shad_]

@Dice it felt like you were going on a bit re: Alf mainly because you haven't said much of anything else, which is weird for you in general.  Give me game thoughts or lemme know when it will be about 4am local time plz.

 

[Cuth]

 

 

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

 

Bad OMGUS in the face of reasonable questions basically. It was a low pressure setting for a village who could just elaborate on her thought process vs a high pressure setting for a wolf who realizes they didn't have jack to back up their statements.  But we'll see what she comes back with.

 

You disagree, obviously. Talk to me about it.

 

i don't like the vote, i disagree with it and the reasons

 

but i do think her reaction to you was towny

 

or at least well done if scum

 

it was a certain aura of meaning what she said, came across as genuine

 

liked her d1 content too

 

but yeah idk

[Shad_]

 

 

 

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

 

Bad OMGUS in the face of reasonable questions basically. It was a low pressure setting for a village who could just elaborate on her thought process vs a high pressure setting for a wolf who realizes they didn't have jack to back up their statements.  But we'll see what she comes back with.

 

You disagree, obviously. Talk to me about it.

 

i don't like the vote, i disagree with it and the reasons

 

but i do think her reaction to you was towny

 

or at least well done if scum

 

it was a certain aura of meaning what she said, came across as genuine

 

liked her d1 content too

 

but yeah idk

 

 

I did like her charisma rolling into the game and I did watch her take a nose dive as a villager in Peg + Cat, but the circumstances were very different.  I need to do a comparative ISO to see depth of D1 reads, might have to wait until tomorrow.  What exactly did you like about her reactions? because #652 is pretty hard for me to swallow.

[Shad_]

well that wasn't terribly hard to find

 

qfr, quotes are wildly broken and I'm not going to venture to fix them

 

 

 

I'm going to need you guys to forgive me, I haven't really played with any of you, I don't know about play styles or whatnot. These are just reads that I am getting while going through and ISOing each player.

I'm probably way off, but I have to start somewhere, right? Being townie, but also being new, I feel its in my best interest to take my time and read people, rather than jump in and spout off nonsense. Not saying

anyone is doing that, just saying if I jumped in every time I wanted to, I'd probably confuse myself even more than this game already has. Without further ado, I give to you, my reads...

 

Darthe- Having a hard time getting a read on him. Does come off as a bit woofy with his noncommittal commentary that doesn't really offer much substance.

However, when Eldrick tried to buddy him, he questioned it and denied it. Not sure if that means he's townie or if he's trying to prevent suspicion. Null at this moment.

 

Songstress- Is actually coming off a bit wolf to me from the start. All of her playful comments about stalking, and when she could have seemed townie, she either added an emoji or

*innocentface* which makes her seem not very innocent. At this moment I cannot tell if she is woof pretending to be town or just a woofy townie.

 

Spadeszee- Is coming off townish as me (hoping beyond hope I'm not wrong). Seems extremely involved (4 pages worth of iso). Consistently questioning everyone's votes and reasoning. 

Waited to form an opinion of everyone before making a vote. 

 

LedZepMan- Difficult to read at the moment but leaning more scum than town, TBH. Beginning posts offered no substance, threw a vote at Ed "just because he could". His thought processes were everywhere and hard to follow, not sure if that is deliberate or not. Seemed to feel the need to reiterate that Alex is town for his GTH thoughts. But no clear thoughts on anyone else, just generalized information. Then unvoted only to lay FoS to Redd, mentioned voting last minute to finalize a lynch, but then voted Redd for Tigs bandwagon. Again, thought process seems scattered and everywhere.

 

Tigraine- Has said a lot without saying anything. Would like to hear more from her, but as of right now I am leaning more scum than town. She's too quiet, and when she isn't quiet she isn't really saying much.

Sorry, sister. Still love you, even if you are scummy.

 

Ed- I don't really know what Ed is doing. *hides* He seems woofy to me because he isn't really contributing anything at all to the actual game, just making funnies. Sorry Ed. Just seems to be a bit facetious 

at this point. Blatantly stated he wouldn't give a reads list. Throwing out comments that really just seem wolf. If he isn't wolf...he is being very woofy townie.

 

Cass/Dice- A wee bit difficult for me. In the beginning, I would almost swear Cass is woof. But her poking and prodding and such has me leaning more town. However, Dice is striking me as woof.

They can't both be different things and be a hydra (I don't think, seeing as they're essentially one player) so for now I'm going to have to go with null. My head hurts on this one.

 

Hallia- Not alot to go on but what there is, is striking me as woof/scum atm. Lack of explanations and thought processes makes it seem as if she is just talking to be talking, nothing of substance is really coming from her for me.

 

Adella- I'm not sure where I stand with you. You seem pretty townie, other than your focus on Spades. She actually did ask more than the 2 direct and the one indirect. I was one, Alex was another when he didn't answer. I would say next time if you're going to call someone out for something like that, make sure you scope a little harder. I can go through and pull the quotes of her asking if needbe, I made sure to keep an eye out for them as I read her. But you went from not caring that she asked you why and wondering why Redd felt the need to defend you, to focusing on her for asking you why. Made no sense to me. But, other than that as I have said I am leaning townie but I'm going to stick with null atm.

 

ReddBoiler- Your game play has me confused and it honestly hurts my head to focus on your ISO, so for now I'm going to say null just because I'm feeling overwhelmed...which may be your intent, in which case you'd be scummy. So I suppose if I am leaning in any direction at all, it would be that.

 

Alex- Same for you. You are all over the place and its confusing and overwhelming. I am also leaning more scummy for you.

 

Shanti- Townie to the end.

 

Eldrick- Your explanations and reasoning have me leaning town as well as your poking and prodding. 

 

I know I've mentioned more than 3 being scummy, but again these are just my reads. I'm going to leave my vote where it is just because I still stick to my reasoning as to why I find Alex scummy/woofy.

 

*wipes sweat from brow* whew glad thats done.

 

 

My d1 reads up to post #484
 
Shad- 5 pages of content, started out a big rocky for me on page 1, we had a misunderstanding but it seemed to be cleared up alright enough by page 2.
Sorry if you've answered this, but what brought you to this sudden conclusion? You had one small interaction with BFG (from what I could tell in your ISO with lacking some quotes) and then suddenly, BFG is town.
[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

Posted by Shad_ on Today, 12:55 AM in DM Mafia Games

At any rate BFG is town, so there's that.
 
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Even BFG agrees it isn't your norm.
 
[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

Posted by Shad_ on Today, 01:01 AM in DM Mafia Games

BFG, on 06 Jun 2017 - 7:57 PM, said:

Shad_, on 06 Jun 2017 - 7:55 PM, said:

At any rate BFG is town, so there's that.

You're normally far more hesitant to read me 

 

 



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With that being said, you do seem to be poking and prodding which reads well for you. I'm going with null for now.
 
 
 
Darthe- Only game I've played with him he was scum, and he was absent for most of the game leading up to his lynch. But iirc his posting leading up to all of that was similar (may be wrong and need to go back and check). AARN leaning scum just because I don't have enough to go on. Barely fills one page with posts thus far. Not liking content of posts either.
 
Shanti- town
 
Tigraine- I'm actually liking content so far. Remembering your last two games, you were hot and heavy on defenses and reads, like you were trying too hard to seem town...this time your reads and reasoning seem natural and innocent. Would like to see more from you but for now, and I can't believe I'm going to say this, I think you are town.
 
LedZepMan- Not really sitting right with me. Content seems...off. He lacks substance, and not only asked if hydra had their own chat (after he was previously in a game where it was mentioned, I was in said game) but then he also talked about no night talk being new to him, there was no night talk in that game either. I really need more but right now he is seeming extremely scummy to me.
 
DreadPirateRoberts- Not enough to really get a read, but GTH, I'd lean scum. BUT as it isn't really GTH, I'll go with null until I get more.
 
Adella- One of the first to give slight reads....for now seems pretty... Adellaish to me. Leaning town, need to see more.
 
CuthaNyn- Really kind of hitting a wrong button for me. Cuth could almost lean town for me, but seems extremely noncommittal, however put both iso together and read as one, comes off very scummy to me. *Shrug* I need to see more substance but I want to lean null right now. Only reason for that is Cuth's questioning peoples' reads and thoughts.
 
Alfred Jodocus- Not really ringing any alarms yet. But I need more content. So far just seems newb...maybe on purpose? null
 
Killanos- Coming off townie to me so far. Asking questions, elaborating, poking. Its a good look. Even if Kronos and the gut feeling towards me is wrong. I also disagree about being defensive in the quotes he made towards me. I was simply answering questions, but oh well. I'll say town for now.
 
BFG- Your ISO made me raise a brow. You are asking alot of what others think of others, but you aren't really providing any reads, thoughts, or the like about players. You're basically just getting others' thoughts and not providing your own. Not a good look imo. I would like a read from you. Slight scum lean atm.
 
Cass- I actually read Cass as scum in my head quite a bit last game. I went back and forth alot. Actions and tone seem the same this game, so maybe that means town? Not sure. Cass confuses me and I have a hard time reading, so I will say null. But if it came down to it I AM leaning more town than anything.
 
dicetosser1- A couple of rapid beginning votes there, but nothing I really raised a brow at. However, content isn't really saying much. I need more, if I had to, I'd honestly lean scum. Will leave it at null for now.

 

 

 

[Adella]

1. Shad - Early gameplay still reads as town for me. You're open to responding to everyone, answering questions easily, no odd answers or over-reactions. The more talkative and casual, the more I'm getting town from you, talking too much leaves room for error with slips. Nothing much for me to comment on until D2 started. Minor freak out about something that seems to be on ongoing issue (r u ok bro?) about the expected level of activity from you. Suddenly Shanti is all over you like white on rice, but I like your reactions. You react, without freaking out or getting defensive. You talk and answer questions, but appear totally unworried. I honestly feel pretty strongly that you are town.

3. Shanti - Started off with typical D1 spam, which just looks like you're getting used to the game by now, which you even state at one point. (Glad you're getting more comfortable, it's a great game!) Your reasoning on LZM feels weak to me. First you talked about needing more from his, and how he just wasn't sitting right, with a mention of lacking substance (which he absolutely did in P+C too) and then 45 minutes later you did an ISO from P+C and talked about how he was town, but seemed scummy, and then said he had way more substance there (I don't remember that at all, he hardly said anything that game). So, with his quiet gameplay seeming quiet-er, you place your vote. When asked for a reason you just repeat yourself and roll with the playstyle being different. Alright.

Let's talk D2... Overly strong reaction for N1, especially considering it looks like the mafia didn't get their NK (unless it was Darthe I guess). And you immediately go for Shad. From the start your line of questioning isn't too bad, asking for reasoning and such. You talk about how you voted for him, but stand by your reasons, which is all scum can do when they lynch town, but you brought it up, no one questioned you IIRC.  Painting a target on the "hammer" is classic scum. I understand you're on a road trip, but your scum to town read list isn't going to do anyone any good. You're also dropping phrases like "us townies" a lot and it feels... When  you start to geingenuine. t answers to your questions, you say you understand but don't let up. At all. And then you add Cuth to it. "If you're saying I'm scum, you're wrong" no one said it, but ok... And then you hop super easily over to Cuth when Shad gives solid townie responses, and place your vote without really talking to him about it, especially since he is here to talk to. And then you're trying to put Shad and Cuth together. Oh and my favorite, which I will quote: 

 

 

Oy. I feel like I just attacked one scum and the buddy is there to back them up. LZM did have much more content than either of those iirc. But you both voted LZM based on him doing nothing. I gave quite a bit of reasoning behind voting LZM, even if I was incorrect. How could you not expect anyone to point fingers at either of you for voting town? Once I saw he flipped scum I knew I would be suspect, yet my first thought was at least one of you if not both HAS to be scum.

I refuse to back down, but I am no longer going to go in circles with either of you. My vote on LZM was an honest mistake, I was truly convinced he was scum.. Darthe was actually on my scum list too, so I was surprised when his mod kill flipped town.

I feel you're grasping at straws and using my confusion to TRY to trip me up, but I have nothing to hide. Why? Because I'm town. Twist my words, but I am 100% town and i am now 100% confident you (cuth) are scum and my vote will not move.

 

 

Re: The bolded... Your reasoning was that how quiet he was indicated that his gameplay was different from P+C. Just FYI, in case you forgot.

 

4. Tigraine - Came in with weird comment about Shanti being too peppy, but I honestly don't think that is a slip she would have made as scum. Spam, spam, a lot of focus on the pep comment, which I didn't really see as that important. Then she starts to put in work with a good full read list, I like it. Still waiting on your updated read list, but I'm gonna blame children for now.

6. DreadPirateRoberts - RL stuff keeping him busy, and I don't think that is a good reason to lynch. He has 5 posts, and nothing big to go one way or another.

7. Adella - Town. Duh.

8. CuthaNyn (Cuth+Nyn) - Cuth first: right out of the bat you've put in some good work. Giving good thoughts, and expanding on them whenever asked. Even though your vote on LZM was admittedly weak, it was the best you had at the moment and I get that, when asked you didn't back down which is good imo. Your interactions with Shanti seem sort of aggressive, which is interesting because you haven't responded that way to anyone else so far. Now Nyn: Admitted to having limited time, but still managed to throw in a couple of small reads yesterday, even if there were no real reasons. I'm not getting much solve from you yet.

9. Alfred Jodocus - On reread, I can clarify what I didn't like about Alf in the Alf/Dice interaction: I get that at first Alf really didn't see anything to respond to, but when asked up front, he deflects with a "well I didn't see a question" but at that point he had been directly asked for a response and still didn't give one. In fact, he never ever answered, he fell off the face of the game. (Hope everything IRL is good, I worry, I'm a mom.)

10. Killanos (Killa+Kronos) - Killa first: Lotsa spam, which I expected. Also lots of commentary right off the bat, but no really anything about her own thoughts, just pure commentary. Didn't get a good read list until yesterday., and still just open ended commentary, almost nothing about how you are reading scum/town.

 

(Update on Adella, my eyes are getting tired...)

11. BFG - Lots of prodding questions, asking people to expand on thoughts, asking for views on people that aren't getting mentioned during people's reads, especially the ones that are being discussed. Didn't give much of your own thoughts until closer to EOD, but when you did... well you never committed to anything. Suspicious. Where you at??

12. Cass - Still coming across very Cass for me. Specifically 2 Broke Girls. The prodding, questions, agreeing or disagreeing when people give views. I want her views on the current situation for sure.

13. Dice - On Dice/Alf, Dice side is that he is prodding for info, and didn't really receive any at first, so he prodded. Dice seems to be a fairly aggressive player, like myself, and I get how that can make people look twice, but what he said is stuff I would have said in that exchange, so it read good to me. I also agree that he didn't go too crazy on that exchange, he just prodded. I'm not putting him in the town/scum pile at all for now, because this isn't enough to go by for me. It just explains more of where I was coming from in my earlier comment.

Oy. I feel like I just attacked one scum and the buddy is there to back them up. LZM did have much more content than either of those iirc. But you both voted LZM based on him doing nothing. I gave quite a bit of reasoning behind voting LZM, even if I was incorrect. How could you not expect anyone to point fingers at either of you for voting town? Once I saw he flipped scum I knew I would be suspect, yet my first thought was at least one of you if not both HAS to be scum.

I refuse to back down, but I am no longer going to go in circles with either of you. My vote on LZM was an honest mistake, I was truly convinced he was scum.. Darthe was actually on my scum list too, so I was surprised when his mod kill flipped town.

I feel you're grasping at straws and using my confusion to TRY to trip me up, but I have nothing to hide. Why? Because I'm town. Twist my words, but I am 100% town and i am now 100% confident you (cuth) are scum and my vote will not move.

 

[Shad_]

P + C having more content in general but lists coming roughly the same point in the games

[Adella]

 

 

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

 

Bad OMGUS in the face of reasonable questions basically. It was a low pressure setting for a village who could just elaborate on her thought process vs a high pressure setting for a wolf who realizes they didn't have jack to back up their statements.  But we'll see what she comes back with.

 

You disagree, obviously. Talk to me about it.

 

Re bold: That is exactly my thought on that, and I also find it odd how Cuth doesn't seem to see it.

 

 

5. LedZepMan - Seems consistent with the last game so far, which is town.

I asked you this before and didn't get an answer; I know it probably seems petty but it's legit eating at me.  What did you think was consistent between last game and his D1 here?

 

Honestly, it was his lack of game related posts. He asked questions about game mechanics, but didn't say much about the game itself, and he started off the exact same way in P+C IIRC.

 

And I really just missed that question, so sorry for the late response.

[Killashandra]

 

I actually had my slight doubts on her but...

 

She seems super earnest and open right now which reads well. (Also kinda seeing why people were saying we are similar. Since I do the same when I am really feeling something right or wrong.)

 

I need coffee. I am around though.

who do you think is scum

Not super sure on any of my reads right now other than towns. Alf is on my suspect list. I posted a quick run down earlier and not much has changed from then. Still waiting to see who else shows up and what they say and do.

[Adella]

P + C having more content in general but lists coming roughly the same point in the games

You talking to/about me?

[Shad_]

Honestly, it was his lack of game related posts. He asked questions about game mechanics, but didn't say much about the game itself, and he started off the exact same way in P+C IIRC.

 

And I really just missed that question, so sorry for the late response.

No worries on missing it.  Is this based to an extent on meta from before my time?  I recognize you both played here a lot ages ago.