[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Shanti]

I'm also waiting on Areola, because atm she's my #1 scum read after reading through. Also, drunk again sooooooo......

[Spadeszee]

I'm also waiting on Areola, because atm she's my #1 scum read after reading through. Also, drunk again sooooooo......

That is quite the auto correct xD

[Tigraine]

 

I'm also waiting on Areola, because atm she's my #1 scum read after reading through. Also, drunk again sooooooo......

That is quite the auto correct xD

:laugh:

[Shanti]

Omg hahaha. I mean. I like Areolas.... but I meant Adella.

[Tigraine]

Oof... So I'm caught up... But it's also 2:57am. I'm sorry for not checking back in when I said I would, that isn't helping anyone.

 

Right now I'm taking in a lot of information, and I'm sleepy and on mobile. I think I have enough time to be able to go to sleep and catch up on reads tomorrow.

She was last active today at 1:11 pm

 

I, more than most, understand how busy and hectic you can get with a kid and work and everything but where you be woman?

[Tigraine]

Just finished my ISO on Tress and first I wanna say that you need to cut yourself some slack lady. I think at one time or another ae all feel like complete morons when it comes to mafia...last game I got had by Nyn, ed, and DPR. I'm still recovering from that and the fact that it was those three that done it.

 

Anyway back to the present. What concerns me the MOST about reading through your posts is your Darthe defense. At one point you said he was all but confirmed town in your mind. Multiple times you bring up Darthe and paint him in a townie favorable light but then when he flipped scum you didn't even bat an eye.

 

I've read ed as scum the whole game but everyone beat me to the jawdropping response when we learned he was town. I just feel that if I had listed someone as town multiple times and even said "one thing I know for sure is _____ is town" and they flip scum then I would be pretty shocked.

 

Another thing that bothered me was your stance on Hallia's "Cass/dice gut feeling" thing. You had said you didn't get that "aha" moment with dice but that just seems like a thin excuse coupled with your gut feeling plus you were Hallia's other gut feeling. Now let me say this, I understand going with your gut because it's a very close situation to what cost town the game last time but when my gut feeling flipped town I called myself out on it. So I'm just holding you to the same standards as I do myself.

 

But my main focus is on your Darthe reads. Why were you so sure he was town and why didn't you even comment on the fact that he flipped scum?

[Spadeszee]

Just finished my ISO on Tress and first I wanna say that you need to cut yourself some slack lady. I think at one time or another ae all feel like complete morons when it comes to mafia...last game I got had by Nyn, ed, and DPR. I'm still recovering from that and the fact that it was those three that done it.

 

Anyway back to the present. What concerns me the MOST about reading through your posts is your Darthe defense. At one point you said he was all but confirmed town in your mind. Multiple times you bring up Darthe and paint him in a townie favorable light but then when he flipped scum you didn't even bat an eye.

 

I've read ed as scum the whole game but everyone beat me to the jawdropping response when we learned he was town. I just feel that if I had listed someone as town multiple times and even said "one thing I know for sure is _____ is town" and they flip scum then I would be pretty shocked.

 

Another thing that bothered me was your stance on Hallia's "Cass/dice gut feeling" thing. You had said you didn't get that "aha" moment with dice but that just seems like a thin excuse coupled with your gut feeling plus you were Hallia's other gut feeling. Now let me say this, I understand going with your gut because it's a very close situation to what cost town the game last time but when my gut feeling flipped town I called myself out on it. So I'm just holding you to the same standards as I do myself.

 

But my main focus is on your Darthe reads. Why were you so sure he was town and why didn't you even comment on the fact that he flipped scum?

I like where you're thinking here, but I also declared Darthe town, he was one of my fake peeks and to keep cover I didn't analyse him. My mentor also read this as his town game, to be be fair, he's also reading this as a Tress town game as well. I'm trying to focus on my own reads, but from his experience with these players, they don't throw up any red flags for him.

I had it in my mind that either Hallia or Tress were seers or wolfs, obviously Hallia was seer (and I read her wolfy up until she claimed). Which does leave Tress. I don't have her has my top scum pick right now though.

[Shad_]

Going to bed early tonight

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Adella (1) - LZM

 

Not Voting: Songstress, Spadeszee, Tigraine, Adella, Shanti, Eldrick

 

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

 

[Songstress]

Just finished my ISO on Tress and first I wanna say that you need to cut yourself some slack lady. I think at one time or another ae all feel like complete morons when it comes to mafia...last game I got had by Nyn, ed, and DPR. I'm still recovering from that and the fact that it was those three that done it.

 

Anyway back to the present. What concerns me the MOST about reading through your posts is your Darthe defense. At one point you said he was all but confirmed town in your mind. Multiple times you bring up Darthe and paint him in a townie favorable light but then when he flipped scum you didn't even bat an eye.

 

I've read ed as scum the whole game but everyone beat me to the jawdropping response when we learned he was town. I just feel that if I had listed someone as town multiple times and even said "one thing I know for sure is _____ is town" and they flip scum then I would be pretty shocked.

 

Another thing that bothered me was your stance on Hallia's "Cass/dice gut feeling" thing. You had said you didn't get that "aha" moment with dice but that just seems like a thin excuse coupled with your gut feeling plus you were Hallia's other gut feeling. Now let me say this, I understand going with your gut because it's a very close situation to what cost town the game last time but when my gut feeling flipped town I called myself out on it. So I'm just holding you to the same standards as I do myself.

 

But my main focus is on your Darthe reads. Why were you so sure he was town and why didn't you even comment on the fact that he flipped scum?

 

My first read on Darthe was that I don't read him well and wanted to see where his pushes led.

 

I've had a terrible game, and after my assumption that mafia wasn't seer hunting N1 got me nothing but made to feel stupid, I seriously considered dropping seer cover entirely, but hardly anyone was even attempting it D2 and Eldrick specifically stated he was dropping it.  I had nobody left that I wasn't actively suspicious of at the moment or had already shown suspicion of D2, so as a last ditch effort I decided to use Darthe as my N1 peek because I honestly wasn't as worried about him, he hadn't been around and trying to control the thread.

 

So my reads have been abysmal, my attempt at seer cover was a ridiculous failure, and to even allow myself to post in the thread I've been trying to forget the first 2 game days even existed so no, I don't want to comment on how wrong I was about Darthe, or I will probably just give up on mafia altogether.

 

Thanks.

[Songstress]

Same goes for my horrible failure with regard to Dice.  

 

I'm already expecting him to rub it in my face when the game ends, i'd rather not focus on it today to be quite frank.

 

If you feel I'm scum for being this wrong, you go ahead and go that way.

 

But Cory should be able to corroborate this to Spades... the primary characteristics of my scum game are bussing and thread avoidance.  As mafia I would NEVER have called both of my teammates town.  Ever.

[Adella]

Alright, it's almost midnight, but I promised I would do this, and I'm going to follow through with that. *grumbles about work nights, and busy Sundays*

Post coming up next.

[Tigraine]

I'm just attempting to ISO everyone, looking for anything that stood out. I just thought it odd that you never commented on it again.

 

I get it, I'm still embarrassed about lynching Dice last game when I should've went DPR. I know I've mentioned it but it makes me wanna hide under a rock.

 

Thanks for explaining though ;)

[Adella]

Also, now I'm tempted to say "Have no fear! Areola is here!"

[Spadeszee]

Same goes for my horrible failure with regard to Dice.  

 

I'm already expecting him to rub it in my face when the game ends, i'd rather not focus on it today to be quite frank.

 

If you feel I'm scum for being this wrong, you go ahead and go that way.

 

But Cory should be able to corroborate this to Spades... the primary characteristics of my scum game are bussing and thread avoidance.  As mafia I would NEVER have called both of my teammates town.  Ever.

Cory has been town reading you this whole game, but he's only my mentor so I have to look at everything I can't just trust his reads, I have to play for myself. Understand that me analyzing you isn't personal at all, I just have to look at all sides. 

 

Please don't be discouraged. I had myself a cry on D2 because I was so confused and stressed I was reading everything wrong and I take these games way too seriously.

I would vote Adella, Tig then Eldrick. You and Shanti are my next.

[Tigraine]

Also, now I'm tempted to say "Have no fear! Areola is here!"

Adella has an alter ego now!

[Adella]

Players left and read (most important at this point in the game, and then I will try to go back and answer questions directed at me):

 

Adella: Again, total town read. If I must say it out loud, I am vanilla townie.

 

Tress: D1, her first read was very non committal about Alex and Darthe, even though she had pointed out that she wasn't comfortable with how Darthe had asked about "that scum thing you do". Lots of posts about being "concerned" and about how hard D1 is to get any good reads (which can be true), but she seemed totally oblivious to what Alex had been posting and instead went for Tigs because of the "itt" situation. In post 3794526 she proceeded to explain how Alex's previous vote on her made sense, with lots of detail, and then at the end of that proceeded to explain why she ignored his vote. This reads as... a bit too much explanation there. She also had Darthe close to the scummy pile, but not in it for D2, which I find to be a pretty common scum partner thing to do. Just a little later, she comments about how Darthe must be town because he would absolutely never veer from the traditional seer strategy. And, sorry, I don't want to upset you, but I'm starting to wonder if you got upset because you're stressed from keeping up your town persona, which I personally find to be way more stressful than being genuinely town. Suddenly at the beginning of D3 Tigs is very town for you, and the other quiet person (other, meaning Ed was one) is your target. Easy to lynch a townie when they aren't here to answer questions or play much.

 

Spades: Confirmed Town by Hallia

 

LZM: Confirmed town by Hallia

 

Tigs: First thing, she is claiming that Tress was always saying Darthe was town, and my ISO on Tress didn't show that. It showed normal non-committal feelings about him that I tend to expect from scum buddies. Anyways, starting from the begging now. First thing that popped out to me, which could be nothing, but she corrected Eld when he said Darthe is town, calling Darthe scum, and then Darthe proceeded to use her as his N0 peek. I highly doubt any scummates would use each either as their N0 peek, it's too easy for them to make sure they pick town to not do it. As I'm reading, the biggest thing for me is you're getting invested, but not going as crazy as you did in our last game (where you were scum). You're going after people, but reeling yourself in frequently, and trying to keep your head. This says a lot to me, and makes me feel townie about you. Gonna try to answer your questions as I come across them too. I didn't Unvote D1 because D1 is random votes, and I knew I had time to move it. Spades didn't get close to a lynch, and I am a player that likes to put pressure on until I decide to put pressure elsewhere. I think you would be hard pressed to find me unvoting in any game since I have come back, maybe I have done it once, maybe. Why did I confront Tress about her speculation and not others? I felt she was trying to lead the town in a specific direction and keep her 2 scenarios at the front of people's minds, while I knew there were other possibilities, and even one that was more likely. Basically, I thought she was leading and so I pointed out that she was wrong. Back to your posts, you didn't unvote Hallia until other people started to notice what she was revealing, but said you got it. Why not unvote? Then you vote for Darthe, and quickly switch to Ed... Why? I feel that you have been trying to solve, so you read pretty town to me, but you're not the highest on that list.

 

Shanti: She started off early with a vote on Alex, and since she is new this makes me feel good about her being town. I don't know that she would have any idea when is a good time to place a vote on a teammate (although she has damn good instincts) so I am going to say this is a point in her favor. There were mostly just posts about her being confused, which actually is good for me. A lot of new players will just ask their scum teammates if they need help, she is doing this all itt, it gives another point in her favor. She also points out some double standards, people asking certain people stuff, but not asking her when it's the same situation. She isn't afraid of people questioning her, and she wants to answer. As far as my post about Halli questioning people about their votes, first of all, I'm not sure how I missed her asking you about your vote, but apparently I did. Anyways, as far as the fact that I didn't take the general question to everyone as her asking everyone... well, technically it was her asking everyone, but it doesn't actually put pressure on anyone to answer or defend their vote. When you call people out by name, they feel the need to answer, when you just put forward a general question, it gives people room to ignore you. Also, thanks for the new nickname I'm never gonna live this down.

 

Eldrick: I'm honestly dreading this right now lol, it has been an hour already and I haven't even started with you... Aaaaand there are 13 pages of just you.... I'm gonna start with post 3795001 your comment about Darthe not really being your peek, for some reason it was bothering you that you were connected to him. Your lack of self preservation was still up for discussion here, and imo it's for good reason, town should always try to answer questions and be up front, it's very untownie it just give up and die. Any town lynch is in the scums favor and no one else's. Then he was the first vote on Darthe, and that reads good to me. You have been putting in a lot of solve work since you got over your attempt at lynching yourself by not caring. To answer your question from D3, my read on Ed was that he was showing a different style than he did in his other recent games, in which he has all be scum lol. My comment on the N0 peek was genuinely because I'm not used to them and I don't like them tbh. I'm used to the cop just being subtle until it comes out that they should reveal.

 

 

With all that being said, I feel strongest about Tress. She has been able to get a bunch of the heat off of her, but it's going onto inactive players and that is way too easy for the scum. In my experience scum is usually pretty active because they like to know when something important is said, and they won't skim. Maybe somehow someone missed Hallia's reveal, but I find it unlikely that the scum would, as that is exactly what they would be looking for.

 

[v]Tress[/v]

[Adella]

Also, I was going to try to go back and ISO Alex and Darthe... but y'all, it's 1:22am... I haz a sleepy. *waves*

[Eldrick4221]

I think you're being way too hard on yourself, tress. Mafia is a hard game.

[Eldrick4221]

I like that tigs challenged me on the points I have brought up about her, and I like her responses.

 

If you look too hard at something, you're bound to find fault. Feels like that's what happened with her protecting Shanti

[Eldrick4221]

That came out wrong. Protecting your sister isn't a fault. You know what I mean.

[Eldrick4221]

@Adella why do you think Hally survived N2?

[Eldrick4221]

Tress. Tigs says she's liked your response, but I don't.

 

I get feeling bad about having wrong reads. But while you addressed why you don't want to talk about being wrong about Darthe (that's fine), you didn't cover what I feel is the most important part of what she asked you.

 

Why you didn't react to his flip.

 

I can assume from what you did say it's because you want to forget about the part of the game where you were wrong, but that you didn't address the question bothers me. Instead you took the self pity route.

[Eldrick4221]

I want to make it clear that I don't want you to stop playing. I suck at this game, but I still play.

[Eldrick4221]

I also want to point out that using my lack of self preservation as a reason to scum read me is silly.

 

I'll admit my doing so isn't helpful. But town isn't always helpful. Sometimes town doesn't care if they live.

 

What it isn't, is scummy. Everything starts to fall apart when mafia flips. They have to stay alive to win. Self preservation is a large part of playing scum.

 

Town can lose a few and still win. Town doesn't have to care about personally surviving. Town dying can even be beneficial. Everyone else knows they can trust what that person said.

 

So while my doing so wasn't helpful, it was still towny.