[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[DPR]

I still think Dpr is town, and he is ganna yell at me lol for that post lol.

[unvote] meh I'm lost

 

You think niniel claims a Pr d1 without much knowledge of the game to set ed up here?? It doesn't make sense

 

Yes. He is.

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

 

 

 

I´m so happy that you are here. 

 

 

\o/ Yey! 

 

and also

 

 

possiblepocketattemptdenied.gif   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have thoughts on my post? 

 

Ed's claim / the wording wrt 'stupid message'?

 

Knowledge from the first 130something pages that helps confirm/deny whether I've missed something wrt Tig's talk of receiving messages?

 

 

 

First - about my claim.

 

D1: I get my PM. I ask if I can track TLM. I got a yes. 

N1: I decided to track TLM to see if we could get any info.

 

D2: I revealed that TLM didn´t go nowhere. This is true. I said that I was 1X tracker. That was not true. It was just a way to not get killed or blocked. I am limited though, I can´t track for the whole game. 

Tigs revealed and I thought by hinting that I could track more that they would target me instead of her since I think her role is more important than mine. (Well, that is true if we get those reports sometime.)

N2: I tracked Manbat. He visited Ed.

 

 

D3: I told everyone that Manbat had visited Ed. I thought it was really weird that Manbat died the same night that he visited Ed so I pretended to have info about Ed to see what he would say. He only had some link to an empty qt. 

 

Then my assumptions began and I asked you to say what you thought about it. They could be wrong, of course. Actually, some of it seems to be not very good thinking from my side. 

 

I felt that Manbat was a very strange target + I thought he was vanilla. He isn´t, I corrected myself there. But it still remains that he is a strange target. That is why I thought it was so weird that he died visiting Ed. And I had Ed in my poe before that. Like the only one I thought was mafia really. 

 

 

But lets look at what we know.

 

Ed got a link to an empty qt. I need to check when he said that compared to when he got the link. How long had he waited before he said it was empty?

It could be that Manbat hacked him and that´s why he got the qt link. Now I really don´t know how Shad would play that. Would he really give Ed a link if Manbat had died. That seems really strange. I doubt it but I can´t be sure of course. 

 

If that link didn´t kill him then mafia or someone else killed him. We have only had one nk each night. If it´s an "ordinary" nk then Manbat must be on to something. 

 

 

Did I explain myself better this time? 

 

 

Dice, you didn´t trust me since you thought that PR´s should all be trackers. But it seems like trackers have thier own abilities and I´m not a tracker. 

 

 

 

I think the logic wrt claiming adds up here, and the avoiding kill thing was something I considered this afternoon reading DPR's mention that she lied/said she was 1-shot, but I'm not sure about the tone, somethingsomething planning feel vs explanation #notknowingNin'splay or the likelihood of a Town Tracker.

 

Initial thoughts were Tracker as a Town role doesn't make sense because it's not mentioned in the sample PMs and OPs say mafia have randomised fake claims. 

This seems a pretty blunt thing to do for attention if scum though, so imo it's either a deliberate distancing tactic or legit.

 

 

 

WRT QTs

 

@Dice - Can you fill us in on what exactly you received wrt the QT Tigs claims to have sent you?

- What time/phase did you receive the notification?

- Is there a title or any indication of who the QT is with to start with?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm what time/part of the phase the QT was opened, and if there's any identifying information?

- Why did you ask Dice why he had a QT?

- Can you pls confirm/ask Shadmod if you don't already know, if it's just your Cop results that get lost/incorrectly returned?

 

@Ed - Can you fill us in / confirm/deny whether Manbat was the other end of your QT?

 

 

Essentially, @everyone - can people confirm whether QTs linked/opened at night, and if you know who they're with?

 

 

The bold - I don´t how many time I have mixed them up. I´m a tracker, not a hacker.

 

 

Silly you. 

 

Un. Buh. Leivable.

[Niniel]

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this. 

[Niniel]

DPR - are you a hacker? Did you hack Seph N1? Who did you hack N2?

[DPR]

OK so I am at a impass here.

I really think ed dice nin are all town. I think nyn has the greatest chance to flip mafia out of everyone.

 

[V] nyn [/v]

 

For everyone that is concerned dpr hacked me n1. I am a cyborg and I am guessing folks like s

Darthe cannot be hacked as he was a human.

 

I thought dpr was town because we were on the same page for most of the game, and me and him were doing quite a bit of gamesolve in the thread.

 

The problem I'm having is if I belive the above it leaves dpr as one of the 3. And the shade he has been throwing a niniel has been disturbing.

 

I don't see her faking this imo. If dpr is the puppet he played me like a fiddle. But I think it's obvious we are linked and there is 0 point in hiding it.

 

Dice is someone I was weary about but him clearing ed looked pretty gamesolvy to me.

 

I'm going to read our qt again

 

I think voting nyn is the best option but we will need to find the puppet eventually and it's between ed, dice dpr.

 

Confirmed that Seph and I have been in a QT since D2. 

 

I'm a Hacker. Seph is not. 

 

I Hacked him and got the QT - that easy. 

 

None of this "they both have to be hackers nonsense" that dice is ladeling.

[Niniel]

Seph, you are not a hacker?

 

 

Again, who did you hack N2 @ DPR?

[DPR]

 

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this. 

 

 

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

 

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

[DPR]

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

 

Will everyone please answer the questions I asked dice.

 

We have evidence right here on the table. Can we please look at it?

[seph]

Yeaa. I feel like I have to vote niniel over that, reading our qt I just cannot seeing dpr being mafia.

 

This is the first time dice or niniel have actively tried to get involved throughout most of the game.

[Niniel]

 

 

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this. 

 

 

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

 

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

 

 

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

 

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why? 

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits. 

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up. 

[seph]

Dpr would the mafia team be clearing there teammates here though?

[Niniel]

Yeaa. I feel like I have to vote niniel over that, reading our qt I just cannot seeing dpr being mafia.

 

This is the first time dice or niniel have actively tried to get involved throughout most of the game.

 

Are you kidding me? I don´t think I have ever posted this much in any other game. 

[seph]

#confused gang stop posting and really read some

[Niniel]

Why don´t you answer me?

 

Seph, are you a hacker or not?

 

DPR, who did you hack N2?

[Niniel]

#confused gang stop posting and really read some

 

I´ll try to get the time to read the texts and see if we get any more clues later today. Anyone else is more than welcome to do so too.

[seph]

I already stated I wasn't lol.

[Niniel]

DPR said that we should start over and see the game with fresh eyes (or something like that). If you really meant that, DPR, then you are not doing it. You are just trying to prove that I´m mafia right now. You´re not focusing on anything else.

[Niniel]

I already stated I wasn't lol.

 

Must have missed that. Then what are you?

[Cass]

 

That's my point Dice, Manbat was a hacker so he could've hacked Ed and got the QT but then was killed. Idk how the hack NAs work when the hacker is killed but maybe that's the case. Either way it tells us nothing about Ed's role.

 

it does actually   well i think it does

 

 

 

 

@ed

 

are you a hacker? yes or No.

 

 

i dont want anything else but i want that answer

Yes, I am. Are you?

 

Had a long drive to Texas and then spent some time with Adella before driving some more to meet with friends. Surprising my best friend's mom with a belated birthday lunch tomorrow. Catching up and trying to response to everything that I was skimming while driving. HEP

 

 

ty

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

 

im putting ed as confirmed town

 

see the blue  I did what he did N1  i hacked killa BUT i never got given ANYTHING. in fact i had to ask if i was getting a result

 

the second one    hes sitting in my brain or something cause i asked the same AND GOT TOLD THE SAME THING.  that detail convinces me.

 

 

i have a theory   if a hacker hacks a hacker they get a QT   Tig and i hacked each other last night apparently   way to waste a hack...

 

 

now someone explain to me how  if tigs is a cop  and hackers cause QTs  does any other power roles go to non hackers?

 

 

 

i had killa as tentative town because i went there n1 and there seemed to be a block in the write ups so i thought maybe i was the doc  but that just went out the window i think.

 

 

How does bold underlined relate?

 

If you're both the same role with the same action, why would you get different results?

 

 

My theory/take on the Hackers OPs is that

- Hackers can access anything on the 'global network'

- Global network includes cyborg brains

 

ie Hackers and Cyborgs are connected to the global network, Hackers can access other Hackers and Cyborgs?

 

 

And I'm pretty behind/brain slow on the rest of the flavour but current take is

- Scum are the corporation who hacked Section 9 and enjoy profits half-curing diseases

[DPR]

 

 

 

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this. 

 

 

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

 

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

 

 

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

 

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why? 

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits. 

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up. 

 

 

 

I really don't. I see no reason for your first reveal at all. Didn't then and don't now.

 

You've certainly made a lot of mistakes. Makes a really nice cover for mafia who want to suddenly get active in a game and start throwing out all sorts of crazy information. Just sayin'.

 

You say you didn't set ed up. Fine. Explain to me why a QT would be set up for only 1 person. 

[DPR]

Why don´t you answer me?

 

Seph, are you a hacker or not?

 

DPR, who did you hack N2?

 

 

He already did answer that.

 

Nobody. I didn't want to risk losing my QT with Seph.

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this. 

 

 

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

 

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

 

 

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

 

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why? 

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits. 

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up. 

 

 

 

I really don't. I see no reason for your first reveal at all. Didn't then and don't now.

 

You've certainly made a lot of mistakes. Makes a really nice cover for mafia who want to suddenly get active in a game and start throwing out all sorts of crazy information. Just sayin'.

 

You say you didn't set ed up. Fine. Explain to me why a QT would be set up for only 1 person. 

 

 

I don´t understand the last question. 

[Niniel]

I will have to go soon but will back later today. Maybe I can pop in now and then, I don´t know.

 

Right now I think we have two pairs that are trying to back each other and one of them might be mafia: Ed/Dice and Shad/DPR. Right now I´m leaning the second pair but I need to get time to go back and read. Things I need to look for are for example how Ed and Dice reacted to Killas claim. 

[DPR]

DPR said that we should start over and see the game with fresh eyes (or something like that). If you really meant that, DPR, then you are not doing it. You are just trying to prove that I´m mafia right now. You´re not focusing on anything else.

 

 

To be fair, I'm trying to prove dice and either Killa or ed is too.

 

And I meant what I said, but that wasn't a free license for scum to pump the thread full of misinformation.

[Cass]

I will have to go soon but will back later today. Maybe I can pop in now and then, I don´t know.

 

Right now I think we have two pairs that are trying to back each other and one of them might be mafia: Ed/Dice and Shad/DPR. Right now I´m leaning the second pair but I need to get time to go back and read. Things I need to look for are for example how Ed and Dice reacted to Killas claim. 

 

Second pair says Shad/DPR

 

Do you mean Seph?