[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Wildfire Sedai]

that said i'm the best shot

 

or would be if i wasn't VT

 

i was the first to push and vote notbob, the first to vote and then start defending liz

 

am never going to get lynched

 

and i'm relatively high activity 

 

killing me would be ideal

 

but if you want to hunt PRs

 

you're gonna have to make a choice

 

bring it

 

 

Are you a Jester??? in that you have to get killed at night instead of lynched during the day??

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

 

Is Notbob a busser?

 

Also Wifi? I agree that Seph and Cuth are most likely town. I'm not sure how Crusher is more town than them though.

1. when him, darthe and I were scum he was a busser yes iirc.

 

2. I liked his "in your face attitude" not meaning in your and mc's face but in general your. I liked that he pushed for more content.

 

 

 

 

COLORS ARE FOR ONES ALREADY KNOWN LIKE NOT BOB AND ME AND ONES I HAVE ALREADY DONE SO FAR BUT CAN BE CHANGED. THAT'S IF THE COLORS POST, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T IF THEY DON'T POST THEN IT WILL BE JUST BOLDED ONES.

 

 

 

1. DPR - the damn dirty pirate (DreadPirateRoberts)

 

2. Doc Cassiday - Doc by day, salon gal by night (Cass): NULL/SLIGHTLY TOWNIE: I like that cass was all over the place in asking her questions. I think she asked questions of most of the people who posted, challenging them on their posts and reads.

 

3. Calamity Sooh (Sooh): NULL???

4. Kronos McLintock (WolfbrotherKronos): NULL???

5. NotBob Cassidy (鲍勃不是我的名字)

6. Darthe Wade (Darthe): NULL??

7. Wildfire Oakley (Wildfire Sedai): TOWN QUEENIE

8. Hallia Cogburn (Hallia): NULL??

9. Eldrick the Kid (Eldrick4221)

 

10. Cuthroat Jesse (Cuth): NULL/SLIGHT TOWNIE: I like how he tried to mediate with liza: asking her to not talk about herself for 6 hours and to not insult people in this game. He also said, thank you, as well. He is one of the few who has been trying to solve this game. He gives explanations of what he is trying to say.

 

11. Rootin Tootin Seph (seph): NULL/SLIGHT TOWNIE: I like how he urged liza to get answers for the questions she was asking and to post her thoughts to those answers ITT, I also like the fact that when he noticed that he was wrong, he apologized.

 

12. The amazing Tiink (Tiinker): NULL??

 

13. Dice - Lone Stranger (dicetosser1): NULL/SLIGHT SCUMMY: I had liked dice's posts wrt liz/mc but he also posted this: "meh thats fairly typical notbob really" and hindsight is 20/20. I know I shouldn't dis him for 1 post but isn't that what we were doing to liz/mc?? and sometimes it's only one little post that does it.

 

14. Wild Bill Spoot (Spoof) NULL???

 

15. Miss Kizzy Clov (MrsClov and Lizabeth)

 

16. Crushlove the Bacon Bandit (The Crusher): NULL/MEDIUM TOWNIE : I like how he confronted liz/mc about post #309 (I know its the dreaded post) However, he could have been a little nicer. I also like how he confronted seph about seph's mistake until seph corrected it. I don't think scum would do that. I like the fact that he is upfront and gets to the point.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: these reads WILL CHANGE except mine: I AM TOWN and notbobs: for obvious reasons.

 

I know I have a lot of nulls but that's because all that was talked about was liz/mc, dice, and eldrick. With a little bit of darthe and notbob thrown in. Everybody had the same idea, even me to a certain extent. Though I can't really say that cause we had 2 major trains and a couple of small ones.

 

Why is DPR such a strong town read for you?

 

And what did you like about Crusher's approach to questioning me about that post?

1. Maybe I got this thing for harsh males but seriously I like how he just sticks to the point, says it like it is. Yes, he throws punches but he can also take them and he will give cudos where cudos is due.

 

2. I liked that he pushed you to make content instead of defending yourself. To try and give you some confidence, imo.

 

 

And Wifi, why is sooh a null for you? Given her position on the lynch wagon I'm not really understanding your reasoning there and you have no explanation.

 

I'm not even going to get into you having me and MrsClov as a null when we joined the notbob wagon while there were two other viable wagons we easily could have tried to push. Especially the Eldrick one given there was so much nudging of eldrick as a lynch candidate all day.

 

 

I don't do wagonomics. I don't understand it.

First part: Ok, but Darthe is usually "in your face" too, and in his own way he creates content. Idk. I'm going to have to look more closely at him.

 

Second part: This is not the answer I expected. I don't know how to feel about it.

What are your thoughts on his pre-flip and post-flip behaviour?

Him, meaning darthe since you clarified that your him meant crusher :P

I am assuming this is to me? If it is...He said he had a bad feeling about notbob on the 12th at 8:36pm that was a day and a half before deadline. My guess is he was just messing with you because that's the way he is However, I just read some more and he pretended that he just made up his mind to join the lynch on nb. So, I know that he likes to bus. He did it to me when we were scum partners. I think this was premeditated. this was pre-flip.

 

post flip: His, "Might actually lean el tomorrow if mrs clov shapes up some." has me wondering if you both are scum partners and this was an elaborate scheme because he didn't really push you that much, just made an odd comment every now and then. this, " I called him out early and kept him as my second after liz, so that's on thread." smokes of premeditation. I could go on but I want to talk in RT.

 

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Is Notbob a busser?

 

Also Wifi? I agree that Seph and Cuth are most likely town. I'm not sure how Crusher is more town than them though.

1. when him, darthe and I were scum he was a busser yes iirc.

 

2. I liked his "in your face attitude" not meaning in your and mc's face but in general your. I liked that he pushed for more content.

 

 

COLORS ARE FOR ONES ALREADY KNOWN LIKE NOT BOB AND ME AND ONES I HAVE ALREADY DONE SO FAR BUT CAN BE CHANGED. THAT'S IF THE COLORS POST, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T IF THEY DON'T POST THEN IT WILL BE JUST BOLDED ONES.

 

 

 

1. DPR - the damn dirty pirate (DreadPirateRoberts)

 

2. Doc Cassiday - Doc by day, salon gal by night (Cass): NULL/SLIGHTLY TOWNIE: I like that cass was all over the place in asking her questions. I think she asked questions of most of the people who posted, challenging them on their posts and reads.

 

3. Calamity Sooh (Sooh): NULL???

4. Kronos McLintock (WolfbrotherKronos): NULL???

5. NotBob Cassidy (鲍勃不是我的名字)

6. Darthe Wade (Darthe): NULL??

7. Wildfire Oakley (Wildfire Sedai): TOWN QUEENIE

8. Hallia Cogburn (Hallia): NULL??

9. Eldrick the Kid (Eldrick4221)

 

10. Cuthroat Jesse (Cuth): NULL/SLIGHT TOWNIE: I like how he tried to mediate with liza: asking her to not talk about herself for 6 hours and to not insult people in this game. He also said, thank you, as well. He is one of the few who has been trying to solve this game. He gives explanations of what he is trying to say.

 

11. Rootin Tootin Seph (seph): NULL/SLIGHT TOWNIE: I like how he urged liza to get answers for the questions she was asking and to post her thoughts to those answers ITT, I also like the fact that when he noticed that he was wrong, he apologized.

 

12. The amazing Tiink (Tiinker): NULL??

 

13. Dice - Lone Stranger (dicetosser1): NULL/SLIGHT SCUMMY: I had liked dice's posts wrt liz/mc but he also posted this: "meh thats fairly typical notbob really" and hindsight is 20/20. I know I shouldn't dis him for 1 post but isn't that what we were doing to liz/mc?? and sometimes it's only one little post that does it.

 

14. Wild Bill Spoot (Spoof) NULL???

 

15. Miss Kizzy Clov (MrsClov and Lizabeth)

 

16. Crushlove the Bacon Bandit (The Crusher): NULL/MEDIUM TOWNIE : I like how he confronted liz/mc about post #309 (I know its the dreaded post) However, he could have been a little nicer. I also like how he confronted seph about seph's mistake until seph corrected it. I don't think scum would do that. I like the fact that he is upfront and gets to the point.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: these reads WILL CHANGE except mine: I AM TOWN and notbobs: for obvious reasons.

 

I know I have a lot of nulls but that's because all that was talked about was liz/mc, dice, and eldrick. With a little bit of darthe and notbob thrown in. Everybody had the same idea, even me to a certain extent. Though I can't really say that cause we had 2 major trains and a couple of small ones.

 

Why is DPR such a strong town read for you?

 

And what did you like about Crusher's approach to questioning me about that post?

1. Maybe I got this thing for harsh males but seriously I like how he just sticks to the point, says it like it is. Yes, he throws punches but he can also take them and he will give cudos where cudos is due.

 

2. I liked that he pushed you to make content instead of defending yourself. To try and give you some confidence, imo.

 

And Wifi, why is sooh a null for you? Given her position on the lynch wagon I'm not really understanding your reasoning there and you have no explanation.

 

I'm not even going to get into you having me and MrsClov as a null when we joined the notbob wagon while there were two other viable wagons we easily could have tried to push. Especially the Eldrick one given there was so much nudging of eldrick as a lynch candidate all day.

I don't do wagonomics. I don't understand it.

2. Where did you see him doing that?

 

As for wagonomics, it's not so much wagonomics as the fact that she joined the wagon on notbob when there wasn't a strong will to lynch him and there were other wagons (especially eldrick's) that would have been easier to join.

2. Sorry, I was wrong. I thought that I saw someone being nice while at the same time pushing you to put out content fairly harshly. Humble apologies.

 

I have enough trouble keeping who said what and when straight ^^^^the above an example of^^^^ nevermind trying to figure out the voting trains. I rarely if ever look at the voting trains unless they are on me. This is a slow game comparatively. If zander were here there would be over 200 pages by now. I only exaggerate by a little.

You don't have to apologize. I just want to understand what you're seeing.

 

There was one post from Crusher towards me that actually looked like he might be trying to figure out my alignment.

 

Not sure what to think of you backing off so easily from your initial assessment though. What made you back off your original thought?

The only part of my original thought that I backed off of was the fact that he tried to give you some self confidence, and the reason I backed off of that: because I did his ISO. He only has a few pages and I went through each post and besides saying thank you, once I think. He pretty much digs into you really good.

Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

[Wildfire Sedai]

So anyone wanna talk? I got half an hour?

[Wildfire Sedai]

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Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

 

 

True: However, just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.  and with darthe you never know.  we were bussing each other most of the game when we were scum together so yes I can see it.

[Wildfire Sedai]

and I didn't mean to diss you liz.  we were talking just this is first time I totally caught up and wanted to talk to more people before I had to go to bed.  and I got to go to bed early tonight..  *sniff*

[Lizabeth]

So anyone wanna talk? I got half an hour?

I've been going through my notes and I'm confused by the difference in your early and later reads lists:

 

What made seph and cuth and eldrick drop down your list of town reads from this one?

 

"Wifi's reads:

 

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caught up to page 14:

 

 

 

So far:

 

 

 

Dice, Eldrick, cuth are my top townies.

 

 

 

Dice because of his vote on liz/mc. I believe him when he says it wasn't OMGUS. I like the fact that he's sticking to his guns and not vacillating.

 

 

 

Eldrick because he explains in detail his thoughts. For example his reasonings on calling darthes first post null: he gave three very good explanations.Things that crossed my mind but I wouldn't necessarily have put down in thread.

 

 

 

Cuth because even though he came in with a rocky start [not joining convo cause there was no convo?????] his posts so far seem townie.

 

 

 

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[Lizabeth]

and I didn't mean to diss you liz.  we were talking just this is first time I totally caught up and wanted to talk to more people before I had to go to bed.  and I got to go to bed early tonight..  *sniff*

I didn't take it as a diss

[Lizabeth]

 

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Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

 

 

True: However, just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.  and with darthe you never know.  we were bussing each other most of the game when we were scum together so yes I can see it.

 

It would be extremely bad strategy though. Basically ensuring the loss of one of your team mates when multiple people are giving excuse to lynch town instead? Darthe and NB always had eldrick as a backup to our lynch. I know other people did too, but for Darthe, NB, and our slot to be teamed, that would mean that we elected to make sure one of us died on D1 instead of following other people's inclinations to vote for Eldrick. That's horrible strategy.

[seph]

wildfire is probably town :)

[Cuth]

 

that said i'm the best shot

 

or would be if i wasn't VT

 

i was the first to push and vote notbob, the first to vote and then start defending liz

 

am never going to get lynched

 

and i'm relatively high activity 

 

killing me would be ideal

 

but if you want to hunt PRs

 

you're gonna have to make a choice

 

bring it

 

 

Are you a Jester??? in that you have to get killed at night instead of lynched during the day??

 

no, i'm just a VT who's saying this out loud in order to make the wolves think i'm bluffing and actually just a PR

 

it's in my favor, or at least in the game's favor, to die instead of PRs

 

however this is also just a strategy to make the scumteam have to decide whether to kill me or not

[Cuth]

wildfire is probably town :)

agree

[Darthe]

 

 

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Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

 

 

True: However, just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.  and with darthe you never know.  we were bussing each other most of the game when we were scum together so yes I can see it.

 

It would be extremely bad strategy though. Basically ensuring the loss of one of your team mates when multiple people are giving excuse to lynch town instead? Darthe and NB always had eldrick as a backup to our lynch. I know other people did too, but for Darthe, NB, and our slot to be teamed, that would mean that we elected to make sure one of us died on D1 instead of following other people's inclinations to vote for Eldrick. That's horrible strategy.

 

Your suggested strategy is at least equally horrible in the opposite direction.  You're saying I buddied NB as much as I'm saying you bussed him?  Which, tbh, I don't remember you caring about NB even as much as I did.

[seph]

I reread cass and I still don't get any bad vibes. her iso actually had some decent interaction with crusher and showed his thought progress on nb pretty well imo.

this is for me later as im about to get ready to leave.
iso crusher, darthe, hallia

[Wildfire Sedai]

WELL FOR ONE THING: READS CHANGE, ESPECIALLY ON DAY ONE

 

AND FOR ANOTHER: THEIR CONTENT

 

I ONLY HAVE 10 MINUTES TO DO ALL THREE AND ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, SO IT WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL TOMORROW, IF I AM ALIVE.  

 

WAS GONNA TRY AND DO A ONE THEN MEDS CAME NOW IT'S BEDTIME.       I HAVE TO GO TO BED EARLY CAUSE MY STAFF IS LEAVING AT 10PM INSTEAD OF 11PM.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

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Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

 

 

True: However, just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.  and with darthe you never know.  we were bussing each other most of the game when we were scum together so yes I can see it.

 

It would be extremely bad strategy though. Basically ensuring the loss of one of your team mates when multiple people are giving excuse to lynch town instead? Darthe and NB always had eldrick as a backup to our lynch. I know other people did too, but for Darthe, NB, and our slot to be teamed, that would mean that we elected to make sure one of us died on D1 instead of following other people's inclinations to vote for Eldrick. That's horrible strategy.

 

Your suggested strategy is at least equally horrible in the opposite direction.  You're saying I buddied NB as much as I'm saying you bussed him?  Which, tbh, I don't remember you caring about NB even as much as I did.

 

I didn't say you were good at strategy ;)

 

And why did you not stay on our wagon if you were so confident that we're scum?

[Lizabeth]

 

WELL FOR ONE THING: READS CHANGE, ESPECIALLY ON DAY ONE

 

AND FOR ANOTHER: THEIR CONTENT

 

I ONLY HAVE 10 MINUTES TO DO ALL THREE AND ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, SO IT WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL TOMORROW, IF I AM ALIVE.  

 

WAS GONNA TRY AND DO A ONE THEN MEDS CAME NOW IT'S BEDTIME.       I HAVE TO GO TO BED EARLY CAUSE MY STAFF IS LEAVING AT 10PM INSTEAD OF 11PM.

 

But you think DPRs content improved and Cuth/eldrick got worse?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

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Re darthe: he claims he still thinks were scum and he did his damndest to lynch us all day. If we were all team mates with notbob that would be some extremely hardcore and unnecessary busing. (Actually that reminds me to look at the people who kept trying to nudge towards eldrick after the NB wagon started building )

 

As for the Crusher part:fair enough

 

 

True: However, just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it can't be done.  and with darthe you never know.  we were bussing each other most of the game when we were scum together so yes I can see it.

 

It would be extremely bad strategy though. Basically ensuring the loss of one of your team mates when multiple people are giving excuse to lynch town instead? Darthe and NB always had eldrick as a backup to our lynch. I know other people did too, but for Darthe, NB, and our slot to be teamed, that would mean that we elected to make sure one of us died on D1 instead of following other people's inclinations to vote for Eldrick. That's horrible strategy.

 

Your suggested strategy is at least equally horrible in the opposite direction.  You're saying I buddied NB as much as I'm saying you bussed him?  Which, tbh, I don't remember you caring about NB even as much as I did.

 

 wait a minute...i thought you said you were against NB all along. Now you're saying you buddied him?

[Lizabeth]

Yeah...I was wrong about Darthe...

[Lizabeth]

 

god i hop they are scum then, with he amount of time remaining i don't see me being able to convince anyone else on the train.

alot of my town reads are reading eldrick as town somehow, but im not the best at reading him. His play this game has been really sketchy.

 

this is basically where i am atm 

 

 

Town

 Darthe 

(Cuth)

(dicetosser1)

Sooh)

Cass)

DPR 

 

slight town

Hallia)

The Crusher)

 

(Wildfire Sedai)

 (WolfbrotherKronos)

Spoof

MrsClov and Lizabeth)

 

Would lynch

NotBob  (鲍勃不是我的名字)

(Eldrick4221)

 (Tiinker)

I think at the moment I would rather lynch any of those 3 over the hydra. Notbob recent posts look horrible to me. I just keep getting the feeling that the hydra is town, especially with how the votes have landed here recently. 

notbob/ eldrick build some tension and then the hydra gets two votes. 

 

 

8 town reads on Day 1 and you've got me lowest from 4 posts and I'm voting someone who's not even in your town list. I just don't know. These must be the thinnest reads ever.

 

Just pulling this up again from tinker. Because I really don't like this at all

 

 

Im curious what you think tink? you haven't given much thought on the thread. I know how it looks, im just doing what i think i right.

 

 

First and foremost, you are among a small number of players that I feel are contributing to the game. That doesn't indicate alignment in and of itself, but it does act as a buffer against the torrent of Kizzy conversation.

 

I have you as null because we've never played together and I like to see a few days of play before I judge a player. However, I will say again that I did appreciate the case you posted on Eldrick.

 

For the rest of the game, I am not happy with the number of inactive players. I am appreciative of the effort that the folks that are playing have put it as it feels a bit more definitive than normal D1 kicking in the dirt.

 

My top lynch for info is still Kizzy. An Eldrick lynch, while justified, doesn't give as much info and he's not going anywhere (meaning we have his D1 on record for review) which I usually describe as having him in our pocket.

 

I'm null on NB, and I don't see his lynch producing much info compared to Kizzy. 

 

Okay, this post from DPR is bugging me.

 

Why is he pushing lynching for info rather than lynching for scum?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 

#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted?

essentially I am not getting eldrick lynched within the next 3 hours or so? While re reading I kept noticing alot of my town reads are reading him highly, and they do in fact read them better than me. So in point here, yes I would like to lynch him, but no its not happening today.

I think lizclov has a better chance at being town over notbob/eldrick/tink so i would like to divert that lynch if at all possible. the best chance I have is a notbob lynch as it still would provide useful info and I do not think I would be lynching a townieover it.

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Will you explain one other point? In the quote I mentioned before ( including NB saying that he doesn't make town-reads on D1) you said that you could almost vote him for that post. I don't see the reason for that. What is the reason?

We have Cloviz as close to a smoking gun you can hope to day 1 in my opinion. But upon catching up 7 pages of horrifying multi quoted gobble gook. Yet, this is jetscodes scum meta without question. More of a big gut feeling guy but this is pretty spot on. I was iffy on him earlier but he isn't kicking in doors and interviewing people like he does as town. I mean hell, he hasn't even addressed me at all yet. If he did I missed it. Definitely gotten worse as day one has gone on. You know I know him very well and I find myself agreeing with What Sooh and Seph has said. Trying to convince myself it's because he is not done reading.

 

[unvote] [v]jetscode[/v]

 

This explanation from Crusher doesn't sit well with me. It's like he's trying to cram as much justification for switching to NB while still claiming we're certain scum.

 

If he's so good at reading notbob, why wasn't he exploring him before the wagon build up? Why did he have to wait for Seph and Sooh to build a case?

[Lizabeth]

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

 

What made NB an easy pic exactly?

[Lizabeth]

Hey liz, not clov but liz, who is a wolf with nb?

And why don't you want to talk to my lovely partner? So rude!

 

What you're choosing to respond to and avoiding responding to is weird...

[Lizabeth]

 

 

so who's the wolf on the notbob wagon

has to be darthe/crusher imo. eldrick is a wild guess because im tunneling him lolol. but everyone else seems good.

could vote you for a deep wolf, since you moved there when kizzyclov was getting lynched and notbob was in no trouble. and since you didn't have any posts after the vote it will be my tinfoil :)

So I moved to my teammate while they were neck and neck? Darthe too? Damn I thought you had a handle on things. You are a mess.

 

Disdain and dismissal rather than contributing to game solving...not a good look...

[Lizabeth]

wildfire is probably town :)

I agree at this point.

[Lizabeth]

Yeah, Darthe is scum.

 

I'll confer some more with my amazing partner, but my picks for the lynchpool at this point would be Darthe, Crusher, tinker, and if they're not all scum look at spoof, and maybe Cass, and DPR.