[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Darthe]

"Oh shit, I did not think this through"

 

-cass, probably

[Darthe]

 

So cass you actually think a town roleblocker would lie about roleblocking the town doctor just to get the doctor lynched?

I'm not saying he's Town lying.

 

I'm saying I see possibility where he's Town.

 

I know two things:

 

- I protected Kronos

- Nobody died

 

My initial take on that was that I saved Kronos from a kill. He makes sense as the target to me, so that fits.

 

Next step

 

- My protect was successful

- My protect was blocked but didn't matter

 

I think it's highly unlikely that the Scum didn't submit a kill there, but it doesn't mean it's impossible

This post took 6 min for her

[seph]

darthe have you played as eldrick when he is a wolf? and would he read his team, the general 1 town 1 null 1 mafia, Im basically wondering if he would post something like this with a wolf in it

 

Agree with your list, for the most part. You are in the "want more from" category, as is wiffy.

Lizclov, Seph and Cuth are my definite not lynch. I think I've already made those clear.

Dice has made it there too, because my interactions with him have felt genuine.

 

[seph]

I have never seen a doctor near a lynch, not fight tooth and nail. 

[Darthe]

I have no idea seph

[seph]

I really don't have much doubt about my vote now

[Cass]

psa: cass HAS to claim doc 

 

darthe does not HAVE to claim RB, though it wouldn't be a bad idea

 

but if it's just him he always loses anyway

 

^

 

CASS IS SCUM... almost worth the modkill to edit that....

 

lololol'd so hard

 

 

cass I need you to do everything in your power and tell me why your the doctor.

 

n1 why protect dice who was pushing lzclov when the train we switched to was mafia. Wouldn't someone on that train be better? did you really think dice was a good n1 kill candidate if so why?

 

I didn't pay attention to trains, and beyond that DPR's case wasn't completely crazy imo. I didn't like the way he pushed it, but bussing was possible and I had like zero reads beyond Dice and Cuth probably Town for giving cover.

 

It is possible that I pay more attention to Dice than other players in the game and have a bias/could have chosen better but eh, I enjoyed our joking around.

[Darthe]

This went a lot more smoothly than I expected tbh. Totally got froze up by the claim and questioning.

[Cass]

"Oh shit, I did not think this through"

 

-cass, probably

 

 

 

 

So cass you actually think a town roleblocker would lie about roleblocking the town doctor just to get the doctor lynched?

I'm not saying he's Town lying.

 

I'm saying I see possibility where he's Town.

 

I know two things:

 

- I protected Kronos

- Nobody died

 

My initial take on that was that I saved Kronos from a kill. He makes sense as the target to me, so that fits.

 

Next step

 

- My protect was successful

- My protect was blocked but didn't matter

 

I think it's highly unlikely that the Scum didn't submit a kill there, but it doesn't mean it's impossible

This post took 6 min for her

 

 

 

I have never seen a doctor near a lynch, not fight tooth and nail. 

 

 

Bite me, both of you. 

 

I'm here with a baby grabbing at the keyboard and pulling crap off my desk as I try to type, and with internet cutting in and out.

 

And also, what do you call claiming as soon as I come in if not 'fighting tooth and nail' ?

[Cass]

This went a lot more smoothly than I expected tbh. Totally got froze up by the claim and questioning.

 

Mislynching me?

 

What are you going to do after my flip?

[seph]

you may have made me feel horrible but your still the better lycnh with how everything is played out.
read your iso and you have a few soft defenses and alot of fence sitting in regards to eldrick. I stilll don't see how you pick dice from your iso. going to look again just in case

[Cass]

So here's the deal, lynch me and lose Doc now, Kronos tonight, or find scum and lose one of myself/Kronos tonight.

 

We basically have 2 clears and 1 partial afaict.

 

If not me, who?

 

For now [v]Darthe[/v] 

[Cass]

And also, anyone here who's seen me play before knows vague half pushes with no details/bussing aren't my scum style and that I'm more likely to flounder as Town, especially with limited time.

 

D1 of Hackers was exactly like this, except without me having the PR.

[seph]

cass im noticing something in your iso that is pretty interesting. I would say 90% of your posts are either to or about eldrick/lizzyclov,cuth without about 10% beibng cuth. you have genuinely done 0 gamesolving outside of those slots.

this is literally your last read of dice. 

 

 

dicetosser1, on 13 Feb 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

@cass  i answered you about tonto....thoughts? or did i miss them somewhere?

 

 

Haven't posted them but read your answers on phone while watching TV. Didn't give me a lean on you either way but did make me lol

 

Essentially had/have concerns your Town read/lean on me was possibly too early. Still not sure I've had enough content for you to feel good about me, some thoughts of possi-buddying on your part. Am aware that this is all self-centered. There's a recent post in my MQ that strikes me as TOWNDICETONE, nothing else has stuck with me wrt you for now.

 

FTR Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

other reasons I don't believe you is because of all the fencesitting with eldrick and your interaction in general. there were plenty of times I would assume you would have pushed eld and you just seemed to accept it.
If cass is scum there is a good chance kizzyclov is scum as well

 

dicetosser1, on 13 Feb 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

@cass  i answered you about tonto....thoughts? or did i miss them somewhere?

 

 

Haven't posted them but read your answers on phone while watching TV. Didn't give me a lean on you either way but did make me lol

 

Essentially had/have concerns your Town read/lean on me was possibly too early. Still not sure I've had enough content for you to feel good about me, some thoughts of possi-buddying on your part. Am aware that this is all self-centered. There's a recent post in my MQ that strikes me as TOWNDICETONE, nothing else has stuck with me wrt you for now.

 

FTR Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

[seph]

ebwodp my comment starts at other reasons. rest of the unquoted is cass

[seph]

dpr if kizzyclov is sucm I apologize lol. you may have been 3rd p but you were trying to solve the game. The biggest reason I didn't believe you is you had me in there and it didn't make sense at the time tbh, and I really didn't think we were pushing 3 mafia on d1.....
this is only if cass does flip scum which makes sense after iso'ing her tbh

[Cass]

Seph you've missed other posts with reads on Dice

 

Lol at singing.

 

Brain is melting but

 

 

I like Sooh's response to me wrt 'conclusive' and the push at Halleh for inconsistency.

 

I would like to know whether she agrees or disagrees with my interpretation of Eldrick this game compared to last, and the one I know of him as scum (@Sooh).

 

 

@DPR you address your post quoting me in #967 with 'you', but afaict you're highlighting Eldrick's actions, not mine? 

 

I can understand reading links in the last point maybe (both ways), but FTR Darthe deserves all the sus he gets from me, every game.

 

 

@Dice, forget the hedgy bold comment, somehow by the time I got to that part of the quote I was reading it in isolation from the actual reasons given in the one above #detailsarehard

 

 

 

 

Number one Not WTL

 

/snip

 

'Brain'dump of where I'm at as of 30 pages ago though:

 

 

Not WTL

 

Dice - More genuinely cheeky early on than I think he'd be as wolf, he's either pulling the wool over my eyes from close to the start or he's Real True Blue AussieTownDice relaxed/confident/easy going. Would like to see more content but think he's good for now.

 

LizClov- didn't/don't like either of their intro posts or narrow focus on self defence early on. ?shade or paranoia? Snark from Mrs Clov and aggression from Liz look good. Liz v Darthe for wider focus is !!!!!!!! Refusing to let him stay noncommittal reads [/i]hunting[/i] for answers. Branching out at same time looks good. Issue with Darthe vote?

 

Seth - Gave me early 'follow Cuth' heebies but seemed genuine pumped/increased hunting after wolf flip.

 

Cuth - Mehh on early calling Liz' question a 'slip'. Ok for backing off and giving space. Early tone seemed helpful, diversion/attention tactic EoD1 could've gone either way but I'm seeing TownCuth motivation for now.

 

WiFi - gives opinions, thought flow still unique but more controlled/less wild-flowing than last game. 

 

 

Possi-sus/Want more from

 

Spoof / Hallia / Tiink / Kronos - These guys all need more looking into imo…  Won't fight a lynch here at this point but am concerned they're going to end up problematic either as coasting scum or LHF and I think the earlier we sort them out the better. Of the two late votes yesterday I'm thinking Tiink's looks most opportunistic and Kronos' tone seems genuine. I've been giving Tiink the benefit of the doubt based on perceived RL business, which may be dumb. Had concerns about Kronos being sheepish early but not sure if they still hold aorn. Spoof is either genuinely overwhelmed or coasting but don’t think that should allow him a full free pass in and of itself. Hallia's quietness bothers me, I honestly don't remember a single thing she's said, but I don't know if that's a thing.

 

DPR / Crusher / Eldrick / Darthe - is where I'm most YOLO WTL / most bothered.

 

99% of this is not at all solid in my mind.

 

Yes, brilliant, I know. Come at me!

 

 

And Eldrick in my most WTL, after I'd been sus on him from the start

 

 

 

 

 

 

LizClov- didn't/don't like either of their intro posts or narrow focus on self defence early on. ?shade or paranoia? Snark from Mrs Clov and aggression from Liz look good. Liz v Darthe for wider focus is !!!!!!!! Refusing to let him stay noncommittal reads [/i]hunting[/i] for answers. Branching out at same time looks good. Issue with Darthe vote?[/size][/font]

They aren't the only one. Why the question mark? Why ignore explaining?

Why did you leave your joke vote on him all phase?

You first. Why does it bother you?

It bothers me because you never addressed it. Joke votes being left on someone after the joke phase is over is a red flag for me.

So I asked you about it. So did MrsClov. And we were ignored.

I couldn't tell if the vote was there because it had become serious or not. What is your current read on him and why?

 

 

 

Eld, 'Red flag' is a generic way to throw shade without explaining, and it doesn't really answer the question which is kind of the point.

 

Why would it be  a 'red flag' for you either way?

 

Why is that particular vote ever a problem or worth pushing in either scenario?

 

Either it was a joke vote with no seriousness attached to it left in place on D1 because I'd barely been around or it was a joke vote that became more serious as the day progressed.

 

Regardless, the only real 'problem' with it is that it's an anomaly - and it's easily picked out/on by scum.

 

Welcome to my net :P

 

 

/snip

 

[Cass]

FTR I came into this game both listening to my gut, and shy on it wrt Eldrick.

 

Every game we've played, I read him scum early on.

 

Last game I tunneled/tinfoiled on him like there was no tomorrow from D1 and he did the same to me.

 

We were V-V and D1 ended in my mislynch because of us going back and forth at each other. 

 

This game he pinged me early for the same reasons as the last couple of scum games. I felt he was scum, but if I was shy at going at him here, that's the only reason why.

[seph]

I read the other 2 but i did miss the not wtl. 
and your correct you did sus eld, you also would fencesat, and never actually pushed him.

Darthe is in a much better spot for me to believe imo, and has played a pretty solid town game. 
your dice explanation was halfhearted. What i mean is i wanted more than he was a townread. becasue The only protect on dice makes sense is if im reading your iso. not how the game was playing out.

I also find it hard to believe you ignored the votecount at eod, or people who pushed for notbob. and it confuses me ><

[seph]

Thats the thing i missed though, was you really pushing anyone. 

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Doc Cassiday (3): Darthe, Cuth, Seph

Darthe Wade (2): Miss Kizzy Clov, Cass

Not Voting:  Kronos, WiFi, Hallia, Tiinker, Crusher, BFG

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 4 is Friday, 2/24/17 at 9 AM MST

[Cass]

I read the other 2 but i did miss the not wtl. 

and your correct you did sus eld, you also would fencesat, and never actually pushed him.

 

Darthe is in a much better spot for me to believe imo, and has played a pretty solid town game. 

your dice explanation was halfhearted. What i mean is i wanted more than he was a townread. becasue The only protect on dice makes sense is if im reading your iso. not how the game was playing out.

 

I also find it hard to believe you ignored the votecount at eod, or people who pushed for notbob. and it confuses me ><

 

1. a)Did too push Eld, and b) see above

 

2. Who would you have protected????

 

I personally suck at vote trains unless I'm pushing 'mistakes' as scum. And I've also never been Doc before this game. Unless someone blatantly gives themselves away with PR hints, I figure you go for most consensus-strongest own read.

D1 How do you even know who's genuine? How do you know who's bussing?  For me it came down to Dice or Cuth, I went to Dice because I had a stronger Town read/less tinfoil on him and IIRC more people had given him Town Leans/He's kind of obvious when he's Town opposed to Cuth who draws attention and could be likely mislynch. I even went back over previous Town/Mafia games of his to check the buddying thing, because that was one thing I thought might have been off. In the end it only convinced me further, because tone and tendency to be stronger towards buddy/jokey early on as Town.

 

 

 

[Cass]

Thats the thing i missed though, was you really pushing anyone. 

 

Do me a favour and go ISO me in my Town v Scum games.

 

Tell me which ones I push harder in, as a general rule.

[Cass]

Tell me which ones I seem more together and with it in and on top of things v. which ones I flounder.

[Cuth]

So here's the deal, lynch me and lose Doc now, Kronos tonight, or find scum and lose one of myself/Kronos tonight.

 

We basically have 2 clears and 1 partial afaict.

 

If not me, who?

 

For now [v]Darthe[/v] 

if not you then darthe, very likely