They cannot recover at this point.

Thank you! Modern TV series where you go a year between seasons is awful. We used to get 22 eipides or 800-900 minutes of content with 3-4 months between seasons. We are now lucky to get HALF that amount of content and have to wait 1-2 years between seasons. Production values do not compensate.

The core main characters in book 1: Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve, Morraine, Lan. The core supporting characters in book 1: Thom, Loial You can also make an argument that the following characters were critical to introduce in book 1: Min, Tam, Elaida, Bayle, Elayne, Galad, Gawin. Meeting Rand was one of the core reasons Elaida performed the tower coup. Instead, were got a lot of characters that did not matter for season 1 like Liandrin and Logain, and even Siun. People argue that introducing Elayne in season 1 to have her wait around. Well, what about Logain. He does not become important until the coup and escape to Salidar while Elayne, Bayle, and Thom all had major roles in book 2. They added a load of trash that never happened into season 1 while ignoring core characters and core supporting characters.

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There is a lot of free will. Tigraine was given a choice by Gitara. It was not a great choice, but it was a choice. Morraine was given a choice by the wise ones to go to Rhuidean. They saw possibilities in the Dream. The portal stones all showed different choices and decisions.

I just go back to the fact that the show seems dead. Amazon was all fired up regarding getting the merch rights etc and they have done nothing with it. Ta'Veren Tees was better in every way. It is not marketed and you do not continue to see buzz around the show. Even here the forums are quiet.

High Castle is a great show. It has an intriguing premise and it is well written and acted.

I think your thread is the only thing keeping this forum alive right now. This may also prove the lack of ratings point.

There it is again. Directs insults of ignorance and then the tired gatekeeping argument that gets trotted out to malign anyone who disagrees with the elites who want to tell you what you should like. I can play the same game here. I have a degree in publishing with focuses on creative writing and screenwriting. I have worked in the field for a long time. I find the writing on the show lazy and poorly done. Does my education suddenly make my opinion more worthy and less ignorant and naïve?

I agree, which is why I said that those arguments detract from the point of the thread.

I have never made the argument that the showrunner hates Jordan. Rafe did change his narrative over time. I do not think he hates Jordan but he definitely has moved the goalposts over time. As for ideological agendas, yes, Amazon does have them and so does a huge swath of the television industry. I think it is fair to comment on them if you see it as having a serious impact on the quality of the show. I do have a real issue when people argue that you're dislike of content is due to ignorance or bigotry as if you should just accept it and be glad for what you received. I have never argued that anyone is wrong or stupid because they like the show.

I se this argument used in excess to defend this show. The showrunner has come out to say that this is his version of the turning of the Wheel. It is not complicated to hew closer to the books. The writers have written entire episodes that have no connection to the events in the books. The writers have not even tried to be internally consistent either. It has nothing to do with how television writing works. The showrunner and writers have made purposeful decisions to change things and not to suit the needs for television but rather to suit their own vision of the story. The argument that people are either not smart enough or not "educated" to the realities of TV writing is a bit insulting.

The contracts I have been part too all include non-disparagement clauses. I think Sanderson has been very political in how he criticized the show. He also has more resources than Harriet. I am not saying that any positive statements she has made have been forced. I am not making that argument; however, Harriet has not really made a lot of comments either. She may love the show but she is not a routine supporter that regularly defends it. I do think that this discussion detracts on the core theme of why they do not follow the books more closely. For instance, Moraine losing her powers did nothing for the show. It was weak and took away from screen time that could have been used for storylines that were actually used in the books.

To be fair, I think that is the implication and most contracts do carry those types of clauses to prevent people from damaging the product.

Are you implying that this show has a lot of buzz? It does not. There may be a subset that watches it when they need streaming content to burn but the show is not driving traffic. There are a handful of media articles. There was a lot of bot-driven social media posts when season 2 dropped; however, there is not a sustained WoT stream of social media traffic. I looked for information about increased book sales. I saw one article that said "The Wheel of Time (Finally) crosses 100 million sales." That is not a ringing endorsement of millions of new fans chasing the series. There was a spike in interest leading up to the show and then Sanderson broke the internet via Kickstarter. Let's also look as merchandise. I cannot even find decent WoT merchandise since Amazon took over. You sure cannot find it on Amazon. If the show was doing well, then you would see a lot of merchandise. There is less now than when we still had Ta'Veren Tees. WoT (TV) is not even serving the existing fanbase and it is certainly not driving the creation of a new fanbase. I would argue that the show is highly derivative of existing "modern" tropes in TV. It is fairly lazy writing and design by committee to make sure it meets certain goals and to be as inoffensive to the social media mob as possible. I wish we'd see a rabid new fanbase. I do not see one happening and it looks more like Star Wars and DC. An aging fanbase, divided, and slowly dying off.