On 1/14/2022 at 8:02 AM, ArrylT said:

 

I have looked a lot of different Seven Towers of Malkieri images and they all have a similar look/feel to what was shown on the show.   I havent read the last GN of EOTW and now I learn there was a comic - guess that is next on my to find list.  ?

I bought the series month to month when it was released! Some great art and some of the covers are really nice.

15 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

 

You may have been tongue in cheek here, but this definitely isn't true. Just have a look at Star Wars. WoT has been relatively tame. 

Haha definitely was being.

Yeah Star Wars is nasty!

6 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

I'm going to risk a comparison here.

GoT takes the approach of showing just how horrible medieval settings were for women and faces it head on while having a few women powerful or skilled enough to rip down that world.  The Show takes the same approach and so fans see what is largely a portrait for medieval times.

Wheel of Time approaches gender imbalance by instead flipping it.  The setting deliberately justifies women being the primary authority and imagines a world where men are stereotyped and often dismissed the way real women suffered for many years.  Because our main three protagonists are still men and men who become powerful enough to dominate the world around them, many people missed the gender topics being broached.

Along comes a TV show that drags them VERY much into focus and makes it abundantly clear what the setting was trying to say and they lose their mind.

I obviously don't say that as a lable for everyone who disliked the show, but if I had a dollar for every person that was confused, outraged or told me I was stupid when I pointed out things like the Aes Sedai being "The Catholic church, but real magic and all women" or other such points, I wouldn't be able to retire, but I also would have made roughly my annual salary.

This definitely seems to be a big issue for the haters. So unfortunate. You’d like to think we’d have come further as a society by now

11 minutes ago, Truthteller said:

Another bad faith argument coupled with an insult.  In the political context of the changes to the show the word toxic here is loaded.

??? why so upset? If you don’t like it don’t watch it. If you do like it then continue to watch. 

34 minutes ago, JeffTheWoodlandElf said:

I outlined this in a previous post, but book readers were nowhere near as incensed by the early seasons of GoT as they are for WoT. An equally devoted fanbase (which was comparatively large), but none of the initial backlash. Detractors did exist, but not nearly on the scale as WoT. 

 

To me, this is a clear sign that the changes made in WoT are of a completely different animal than those made in GoT. Personally, having read and loved both series before experiencing the TV adaptations, there is a real difference between the approaches that both shows took. 

 

IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT that GoT did not receive the same backlash that WoT has. WoT fans aren't uniquely toxic. It's 100% due to the nature and attitude of the changes made that WoT has been so divisive. 

I remember them being pretty much the same ?‍♂️
And some of the WoT fans do appear to be uniquely toxic from what I’ve seen ?

8 hours ago, Truthteller said:

This kind of hand waving away the criticisms is intellectually dishonest.  The situations are not at all analogous, and certainly cannot be presumed.

 

For my part, I was very excited for GOT TV because I really loved the books, but the e tv show was so good it has completely replaced the books in my imagination.  Every character, with the possible exception of Jon Snow, has become their TV versions.  

 

The difference between the two shows is as big as the universe.  You can’t put them on the same scale.  
 

People who defend the show really don’t understand the criticisms if they think they are the usual people don’t like change.

Meh the people criticising are the same as GoT… this change was pointless it doesn’t fit my head canon so I don’t like it. A valid opinion but when they try insulting other people for liking the show they lose all credibility with me.

To each there own. This is really nothing new. I was on Westeros when GoT first came on and it was exactly the same - show haters, show defenders and people in the middle who just enjoyed the show for what it was. The main difference now is the increased use of social media

2 minutes ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

70% as the best? yeah that's not good. considering that most people rarely rate a show below a 5?

I think you’ll find on IMDB that a lot of people vote shows lower than a 5. 70k voted GoT lower than a 5. 
It’s hard for shows that have an established fan base from another medium. Always lots of people who get upset and vote 1.

3 minutes ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

it didn't but it also didn't make them go up either. and still a failure in the eyes of most grading systems.

7/10 as a failure? Don’t think so. 

24 minutes ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

not from what i can see.

again not really, and no where close to anything GoT got.

 

It depends where you are I guess. More people I know are talking about WoT compared to GoT season 1 but that’s an unfair comparison given how much more accessible WoT is compared to GoT season 1. I’m from Australia so no HBO over here. Back then torrenting was the only option unless you wanted to wait to buy the dvds.

21 minutes ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

simple math

10944*9 = 98496

14882*8 = 119056

10154*7 = 71078

5104*6 = 30624

3104*5 = 15520

1891*4 = 7564

1912*3 = 3824

1804*2 = 3608

49795 total voters. 349770 total score.

349770/49795 = an average of 7.02.

that means the average is around 70%, which would be around a C minus in school or a 1.7 GPA. hardly something to celebrate.

 

 

Cheers. Confirmed what I expected that removing the top and bottom ratings wouldn’t really affect the overall IMDb rating. Close to my rating of the season as a 7.5 as well.

2 minutes ago, Truthteller said:

I haven’t watched any of the others but Marcellus Mrs. Maisel is one of the best shows I have seen in years.

 

Hanna is also good.

I'll give that a go

Just now, VooDooNut said:

This conversation makes me sad. Hate is hate.

 

If you seek to give useful criticism to any artist, communicating with respect and dignity for another human being is a good place to start.

 

Don't expect a platform that allows hate speech, private DMs (of unknowable content), and unfettered commentary, good or bad, to be the utopian communications center everyone seems to insist it is. 

 

There are far more effective ways of respectfully communicating opinions/grievances/critiques than the cesspool that is the norm.

 

And by the way, "how do you sleep at night?", or "why don't you kill yourself", are poor substitutes for "I didn't like the way Egwene was dressed in this scene. Can you explain your rational for dressing her in this form of attire? Thank you."

100%

20 minutes ago, ForsakenPotato said:

I only got Prime to watch this show (fine Bezos, take my dumb money for your midlife rocket crisis) so whenever my friends stop being interested in watching and discussing it, and I stop caring about what happens to any of the characters, I'll end my subscription. But honestly, unpopular book fan opinion, it could be really different from the books (much more than it currently is) and still be a good TV show, and I would be fine with that. I enjoy not knowing exactly what will happen.

Depending on your tastes I'd recommend the following Amazon Tv:

The Expanse

The Boys

Hunters

Jack Ryan

Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

1 minute ago, ilovezam said:

 

You're reading me wrong, I totally can believe that part of her statement.

The assumption she's arrived at, that "this is only happening because I am a woman", however, is pretty ridiculous, and instantly refuted with one look at Rafe.

I see what you mean.

I'm obviously making an assumption (educated guess based of past trolling of women that has been made public) that she is getting more loaded vitriol that she didn't directly mention.

But if the exact same people who say "how do you sleep at night" say it to Sarah as well as Rafe then yeah not sexually motivated. It's the other shit that I'm 100% sure is in her DMs that is sexist.

7 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

 

I mean the two examples of the vitriol she brings up in her video are:

 

1. How do you sleep at night?

2. Go kill yourself

 

For the record, harassing anybody is wrong, but these things are absolutely things people would be throwing Rafe's way. Maybe she gets some women-specific hate, but by and large the hate obviously comes from people who genuinely dislike the show and not motivated by sexism.

 

Heck, the people who even know who Sarah Nakamura is probably read 13,000 pages of a series where women dominated socially and politically and is chock full of awesome female characters. 

 

Again, any hate thrown her way is still wrong, but blaming it on sexism is how you end up in a Ghostbusters situation and I'm praying hard that we're not already on a path to a Ghostbusters situation.

I'm just going to take her word for it that she is aware of the gender of the people dming her ?‍♂️

3 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

Yeah... Don't condone abuse of any kind, but one look at Rafe's Instagram comments or whatever completely refutes her assertion that "they're coming after me like this only because I'm a woman", which really feels like a rehash of the tired Ghostbusters style of deflecting criticism.

 

So. Many. Women. Hate. The. Show and it's so disheartening to see their voices invalidated by people who insist that the detractors mostly come from a place of sexism.

I can think of a number of things they are saying to Sarah that they wouldn't say to a man... "they're coming after me like this only because I'm a woman" may be referring to the type of vitriol that is likely in her DMs, rather than just the casual show-hate stuff Rafe gets - though his is more than likely contains a lot of homophobia.

Had they made anyone other than Rand the DR I would have checked out. I understand giving his big moment to others this season as all three of the first books give Rand a beast-mode ending. This is something though that will be important for me re the Season 2 ending. We've been promised the DR -raging sun moment. If I don't get it next season I will be grumpy.

5 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

The music was wonderful. The costumes were gorgeous. This makes me happy and sad, because I would have loved to see more of BOTH of their works in this world going forward. Oh well.

Same here. I know there has been some criticism of the rings but I don't mind them ?‍♂️ I know when Amazon (finally) get merch sorted I'll be buying one.

In his initial comment. Balfe created a bit of anxiety as it sounded like a "loved being a part of Season 1 - goodbye". He clarified thankfully 

Not sure if this is the right place to post so mods please delete if it's not.

Balfe confirmed on Twitter that he is scoring season 2.

Isis did not return for costumes.

6 hours ago, Raal Gurniss said:

Me saying “WoT TV is not that good” isn’t opinion…It really is not that good of a TV show! If it was a movie it would be of the straight to TV variety…What joy you get from the show or how much someone doesn’t like it is separate from whether the show is any good or not….

 

 

 

I’m starting to wonder if you understand what an opinion is. You keep giving one but then state that it’s not an opinion ?

2 minutes ago, fra85uk said:

And you get a lower number because the 10s are more than three times the 1s.

I’d be interested to see what the rating was without the two 

1 minute ago, fra85uk said:

You were arguing that the average was underestimated because of 1s. I proved that it is overestimated for the 10s.

No I wasn’t. I said take both the 1s and 10s out of the equation.

47.6% 7-9

18.2% 2-6

Looks solid enough to me.

1 minute ago, fra85uk said:

There are lots more 10s than 1s. Imbd for example has 27% 10s (amazon astroturfing?) and 7% of 1s.

But we said look at the ratings without the 10s and 1s…