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  1. I think this is because we're talking about Post-Breaking healing techinques vs. Age of Legend's healing techniques. I don't remember the exact moment you're referencing with Dobraine (probably Dumai's Well which I am very close to getting to in my second read-through of the series), but off the top of my head, The Aes Sedei we read about are probably using medical techniques that your local personal physician might use. The most generalized type of medicine with a broad scope. In the Age of Legends you probably had Aes Sedei of a multi-discipinary educational backgrounds with more specialized scopes. In other words they used multiple weaves which the Aes Sedei we see wouldn't think would/could be applied in a medicinal way (see: the way the Yellows react to Nynaeve healing a stilled person).
  2. Well, I'm sure the people of WoT didn't have diabetes because they didn't have corporations and legalized corruption as a part of their governing system. But I suspect that the Aes Sedai of the Age of Legend could heal/cure stuff like cancer, gout etc. It's just that so much was lost in the Breaking and I don't just mean the books: men who could channel died off and so did the feats that involved both saidin and saidar, the population of those that could weild the One Power dropped significantly and so there was less diversity in academic pursuits and what remaining resources the Aes Sedai had they put into politics and basically ruling the entire land from the shadows. It's often said that Semirhage could cure anything because of her knowledge of the human body. It's also what makes her so freaking scary. She can torture you in ways you can never imagine. That one scene with Cabrianna chills me. Simirhage used the pain and pleasure centers of the brain to break the will of Cabrianna and her Warder respectively and this was just her quickest way to break a subject.
  3. I may be missing something, but I believe the reason why things that happen to people in the world of dreams happen to their waking selfves is basically because of psychosomatic effects. So Mogedien getting drugged in the world of dreams blocked her real body long enough for Elyane, Nynave and Brigette to get a read a'dam on her.
  4. It really makes me think if Robert Jordan was lucid dreamer.
  5. I have plenty of thoughts. Whether or not they are worth a damn is another matter entirely 😅. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "ever evolving timeline". I always got the sense that The Dark One's goal was to stop the spinning of the wheel and therefore end all existence. If the wheel stops spinning, timelines stop being produced and nothing novel ever happens; there is no growth or evolution. It's possible that maybe the Dark One would take over what get's spun out and therefore gains total control to shape events with no restrictions or hinderances and what the DO ultimately makes would essentially be the death of all that is "good" because the DO's motivations, aspirations and designs are likely something on a cosmic level that we as mere humans couldn't really possibly begin to understand. Effectively what the DO creates might be just utter nothingness to us. As for Moridin, he was just a nihilistic female dog, but as we see through Rand's musings he probably is a character worthy of some sympathies. Basically Moridin was an incel and Rand wondered if maybe if he had gotten laid more he wouldn't have turned to the dark side. Moridin saw no point to fighting the dark one because there are infinite possibilities and every possibility will eventually happen, including the DO breaking free. But if he had gotten laid more between the fighting it would have given him more reason to fight like Rand. I totally get this. Also "good vs evil" is a useless argument to explore. I think it's better to consider things which are helpful vs harmful.
  6. Lan never really "wanted" anything but to fulfill his duty which he see as dying in the fight against the shadow. Lan's entire life had been about loss, misery and battle. Lan never really thought about a "life after Tarmon Gaidon". Lan always figured he'd die in battle and follow the fate of his people. Given that the Shadow was defeated again and peace restored, he's kind of at a loss for what to do and since he had always been stoic and accepting of his cruel fate he needs the help of people around him to relax and get some of that Two River's lovin' and rebuild his people as the Aan'allein. I can't imagine a cushier job than king of an already well ordered and honorable people (but maybe I'm being obtuse). I don't think Nynaeve cares about boss status. She cares about doing the right thing and the first part of her arc is learning that she isn't the Wisdom anymore and that she has to learn how to interact with the kids she was groomed to care for and guide as peers instead of as subordinates. Thing about Nynaeve is, is she's an insufferable female dog for most of the series until she get's that Malkier shlong thrown in her. Nynaeve isn't really happy about anything and why should she be with all that pent up sexual frustration? Like Lan, all she has known is misery, loss and duty. She cares deeply for Two Rivers kids who get swept away by fate and sees it as her duty to protect them. And she's failing. Not just failing, but she's also getting caught up in the same current the kids she's trying to protect are caught up in. So first Nynaeve tramps off to try to save to kids, but fails because she begrudgingly accepts that it's the necessary path. Then she decides she'll protect the kids on this path, by becoming a powerful Aes Sedai, all the while the kids she's trying to protect are outpacing her and she's struggling to work through her block to saidar and her unrequited love in Lan. Lan, this dark, alluring stranger who makes her feel things she never felt before and the whole time she's struggling with hints that he likes her too, but he keeps putting her off telling her shit like, "I love you baby, but I just can't do it. My fate is to die in battle. I won't do that to you." How frustrating right? And she deals with this for like 8 books or something! And then there is the whole Myrelle thing... But I love how Nynaeve develops once she's finally with Lan. We get to see her being reasonable and more clearheaded, because at the end of the day Nynaeve is actually an incredibly awesome character and is totally wifey/queen material. I don't know about riding off into the sunset and leading the life of a protagonist of a western series and you may have a point about the irreconcilable tone. Personally, I'm happy for Lan and Nynave. If the series were finished by someone today Lan might turn into a rudderless drunk who picks fights with people for no reason and Nynaeve just goes back to being an exceptional nagger. But this is a fantasy series with a happy ending. It's nice to see someone who was willing to die doing the right thing get a fairy tale ending. Egwene on the otherhand...
  7. Yea, well, Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter is Smarter.
  8. To preface, I had absolutely no faith in this television adaptation and I never gave it a chance. I saw it as a cash grab and nothing more. I even made a post or two on this forum warning people. I didn't want people to get excited for this and support it because I was afraid it was going to be a complete disappointment. This story deserved better and I got the strong feeling that the people behind it just wanted something like A Game of Thrones and didn't give a crap about the series. I can't speak to specific examples, but I'm fairly confident that the television series isn't following the books because the television series is only using the books as a framework to develop a money making television show. They are trying to shape the television show to the things they think will grab more viewership instead of making a faithful adaption of the story we all love. The only alteration I would have liked to see is the Aiel being black because, let's face it, red-haired, fair-skinned people would have died off via skin cancer in the the Three-Fold Land or they would have turned black. Also they could have casted Jaden Smith as Rand, but I digress. I use amazon prime quite a bit and I keep seeing trailers for the show and I cringe every time.
  9. Honestly, this was something that irked me and was one of the first things I ranted about on this forum. Jordon poses a really big question IMO in terms of why we struggle to live the way we do (or in Rand's case, "What is Rand fighting for?"). Ishamael's reason for going over to the dark one was a logical one. Given the trend in the pattern, eventually the dark one will break free, or in terms we can identify with, we will all eventually cease to exist leaving behind nothing, so why bother with anything? It's all vanity in the end. I was hoping for some profound and insightful answer to this question, but instead the answer that Rand finds is in all the memories of him banging hot chicks throughout time. I mean, I get that Jordon was saying it's all about love or whatnot, but then even Jordon seemed to think that just one love wouldn't be enough for Rand to endure all the crap he endures. So Jordon/The Creator was like, "Alright buddy, you do this thing for me and I'll get you 3 smoking hot chicks of unique or high status, the powers of a god and to hell with Egwene cause we stopped caring about her after Caemlyn in EoTW."
  10. Here is this sweet, innocent, small village girl promised to a tall, handsome, noble young man. Suddenly they're swooped away on some adventure leading to 3 gorgeous young women who immediately start sizing him up and portioning him out claiming, "oh the pattern, the pattern!" Mean while they pull the bait and switch on her. They flash Galad in front of her to make her head swim and bombard her psychologically considering the culture shock she must be through through. Plus... trollocs y'all... That's some scary stuff. And she ultimately ends up with Gawayn; who, it could be argued, was a significant handicap for her in the end. And then sacrificing herself to help save the world. Also she's enslaved, tortured, burdened with some of the most significant problems facing their world and who knows what else I'm forgetting. Egwene deserved so much better... ?
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