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  1. A lot of people would dismiss fantasy this exact same way. RJ seemed to think that romance wasn't a waste of time seeing as he takes so many cues from the genre and (as I mentioned before) pitched a bodice ripper to Harriet when they first met which later became the Fallon Blood series. I think it matters in the sense that isn't it weird that the "male gaze" (as it's so reductively called) is EVERYWHERE in books written by and for heterosexual women? The male gaze is supposedly supposed to appeal to men, but men aren't the audience in romance. Yet the "male gaze" remains. I can pretty much guarantee that more fictional bosoms have heaved over the last century as a result of women than men. So how is this a male problem?
  2. Not really responding to you specifically here, just weighing in on this aspect of Jordan's writing. Mainly, I find it extremely strange that people consider these things (the descriptions of women particularly, but also other related aspects like the stereotypical male/female dynamics) are "male" in nature when it seems pretty clear that these things are actually much, much more common in fiction written by women. Romance is the biggest literary genre in the world, almost exclusively written and read by women, and if you read most anything in that genre, you're not going to find 21st century gender politics represented very heavily haha The "heaving bosoms" and "brooding male" dynamic is a female creation and a hallmark of the single largest and most successful literary genre in the world. My point is that RJ was a fan of bodice ripper romance, and one of the first books that he pitched to Harriet was a bodice ripper (this pitch later became the Fallon Blood series). So yeah, RJ was a man, but the style that he uses in WoT is pretty obviously inspired by WOMEN'S FICTION. So yeah, RJ focuses a lot on his female characters' appearances and bosoms, but I think laying that at his feet as "sexist" or just "man writing" is sort of disingenuous when it's really just a feature of a genre that he liked and was drawing on while writing WoT.
  3. Rafe is definitely trying to make the best TV show that he can. But he's definitely not trying to make the best adaptation he can. If you want to hear what it sounds like when a showrunner actually gives a crap about the source material and making a good and faithful adaptation, read literally anything that the One Piece showrunners have every said. The difference is stark and undeniable. Those guys care. Rafe is just making excuses. But all of this is pointless. You are right about that. The fact is that Rafe is not a good writer, and no amount of fidelity to the books was every going to make this show good so long as he was running the show. Perrin's wife is unforgiveable, and he stands by it to this day, unlike Sanderson who will freely admit the places where his WoT books fell short (Mat's character, timelines, his prose etc.)
  4. This is exactly what I said it was. He's dripfeeding it out like it's deep lore when there have been all sorts of opportunities (Moiraine explaining the Power to Egwene in episode 2 and telling Rand she can't train him come immediately to mind) where the writers could have just said, "The One Power is two halves. Men use one half. Women used the other." Wham, bam, thank you ma'am. But no. Explaining the power as it's "emotionally relevant" is PR double-speak. It means literally nothing. The split has been relevant from the beginning, no matter what spin Rafe tries to put on it. I'd love to see Rafe's remake of A New Hope where Obi Wan never explains the force to Luke because it's not "emotionally relevant" until Empire or something.
  5. The fact that some people also complained about Sanderson's book doesn't: 1. Make the degree and validity of those complaints equivalent 2. Mean that WoPrime and the Sanderson books are equivalent in quality 3. Make the show's changes/liberties anywhere near equivalent to the variations present in Sanderson's books which were informed by countless hours pouring over the novels, RJ's own notes on the story and world (which were millions of words long) and under the direct oversight of Harriet herself as well as RJ's personal assistants. As opposed to Rafe's changes which amount to, "Lol what if Perrin killed his wife. Also I'll give her the name of Perrin's first crush from the books. That's fidelity folks!" 4. Invalidate criticism of Rafe's creative decisions If Rafe wanted people to just focus on what his show "is," he should have either stuck more closely to the books (which would have resulted in less criticism, though the amount never would have been 0) or pitched Amazon on an original show. Comparison to the original is part of the deal when you make an adaptation.
  6. Lol did you see in the most recent AMA he did where someone asked him if the power was going to have the the male/female, saidin/saidar split like in the books and he was like (paraphrased), "Well, we've gotta dripfeed that information to the audience." Can[t give them everything all at once!" as if the split was some crazy deep lore that needs multiple seasons of buildup to establish. RJ established the split right up front because, obviously, it's an absolutely fundamental aspect of the story and world, but Rafe obviously thinks that he knows better. Clearly, it's much more important to establish that Warders and Aes Sedai have polyamourous sexual relationships than to clarify a fundamental detail of the WoT universe.
  7. The gap between RJ and Brandon's abilities are writers is pretty vast, IMO... but it's the width of a paper when compared to the galaxy of difference between Rafe and Brandon or the Universe sized gulf between Rafe and RJ. For all his weaknesses as a writer (namely, bland and unevocative prose), Brandon excels at worldbuilding (albeit in a limited, TV-esque sort of way that falls well short of the meticulous realism RJ preferred), crafting character arcs, establishing consistent motivations, dripfeeding information to the audience, basic setup and payoff . . . e.g. just about EVERYTHING the show is bad at.
  8. Yeah, and Danny Ocean isn't the main character of Ocean's Eleven. Give me a break. Ensemble stories still have main characters. This is such a tired excuse, spoonfed directly by the showrunners so they could justify making Nyneave the main character.
  9. Wait so Mat wasn't pro-slavery? Dang. All this time I thought he was based smh
  10. You know, there's a lot of things that are really important to me too that I would love to see represented more in fantasy fiction buuuuuuuut that doesn't mean I'm okay with those things being shoehorned into stories that didn't already have them. Like, how out of place would it be if Rand saw the Seanchan and all of the sudden had a 5 minute aside where he extolled the virtues of democracy over tyranny? And then what if it kept happening? Over and over, needlessly driving in this theme that is only tangentially related to the story as a whole? You would hate that. And so would I. WoT doesn't have to be EVERYTHING to me. I'm fine with WoT just being WoT. I have other stories to scratch the itches that WoT can't reach.
  11. I think the foreshadowing is the difference. A fake-out death is bad when the character just kinda turns out not to be dead. RJ set up the balefire thing, so when Mat came back to life, it was actually an earned bit of payoff rather than an instance where the author tried to just bait the audience with something cheap.
  12. I'm re-reading the series rn, and I haven't read the Sanderson entries in more than 10 years. I loved them at the time. I'm a little nervous to get back to them. Style-wise, there almost isn't anyone I could imagine being worse to take over for RJ than Brandon. His prose is so minimalist. I asked him about it once, and he said that his approach is to make his prose invisible. That is just the total opposite of RJ who is on the record talking about all the time he spent slaving over his sentences. That being said, I do still like Sanderson's books on their own, and he definitely knows how to weave together plot threads to create satisfying moments. In that regard, I think he's the best at what he does. Just like RJ was the best at delivering great writing. So maybe it will all balance out in the end?
  13. Thom is definitely in TGH. Rand runs into him performing in a tavern. Thom is dating a really young girl (0% chance that ends up in the show. Only relationships with Rafe's stamp of approval are allowed) who gets killed by Darkfriends. Thom and Rand meet up at that banquet/ball thing Rand gets invited to. Thom kills the king of Cairhein.
  14. True, but you've got to admit that there's a difference between RJ's approach which is usually something like, "The woman wore a sheer dress that left little to the imagination. Egwene blushed furiously," and Alanna explaining the logistics of a threesome. Indirect vs. Direct. WoT is indirect with its treatment of sex. WoPrime is direct, and this change was purposefully made to suit Rafe's personal tastes rather than any idea of fidelity to the source. This isn't to say that a book accurate adaptation of WoT would be prudish or anything. The books are full of nudity and women in sexy clothing. That being said, Rafe's current approach isn't in line with that either. Prolly too much "male gaze" or something. Instead, he's giving us fanfiction where relationships that he wants to see are shown and explored in unnecessary depth. Meanwhile, sexuality that actually was present in the books is largely ignored. Again, probably because it would be "problematic." Just saying. If Rafe wanted sexuality, there was plenty to draw on. Instead, as usual, he just did his own thing.
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