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  1. Ah, a Zoomer in the wild who hasn't seen the Plinkett reviews! People who think that the failure of the sequel trilogy somehow makes the prequels "flawed but with redeeming qualities" instead of just movies which actually suck are the audience Amazon is aiming their WoT adaptation at because they'll forgive anything so long as its branded properly.
  2. I wouldn't say 100%. 65% unrecognizable sounds about right to me. It's just a shame that the showrunners decided to make everything as generic as possible for no apparent reason at all besides the fact that they didn't have enough talent to come up with anything better. THIS I FORETELL! This show is going to be like the Star Wars prequels. Everyone's gonna go nuts because they want to like it so bad. Initial reviews will be great. People on this forum are gonna splooge about how great it is, but as time goes on it will become more and more difficult to apologize for the show's shortcomings. By the time Egwene is revealed to be the Dragon Reborn in Season 2, everyone will finally have to admit that it's not what they'd always wanted from a WoT TV show after all.
  3. Agreed. Although I'm probably a little more harsh than most. I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit at the part where Rand and Perrin were talking about whatever the heck ceremony the showrunners invented for Egwene to undergo. Came off like generic YA trash and reminded me of the MTV Shannara show. Lan and Moiraine's introduction is corny and lame. Set design aside, the whole scene just smacks of less creative people trying their hands at a story from someone infinitely more talented than themselves.
  4. When I say that there's "little which suggests ethnic diversity" in Randland, I only mean that I read nothing in the books themselves, in the interactions between characters, in the descriptions, which outright states that there's ethnic diversity. You're free to speculate about the Age of Legends, but we don't know. That's just headcanon. Dark as a root is also a very broad range. Some roots are white! lol And even white brits can get reeeaaaaally tan if they're, you know, on rooftops all day in the sun (like Cenn, who is a thatcher). Again, the colors of the skin are all relative to one another. There can be light and dark skin colors among a group which is broadly categorized as white or black or anything else. For example, I lived in Bolivia for a few years, and Bolivians would call other Bolivians "Negro" (Black) for being just a shade darker than average and "Choco" for being a shade lighter than average. And yet no one would walk around a Bolivian city and call it racially diverse. In this light, all the descriptions of "light" and "dark" skin are easily reconciled with the idea that the people are largely similar in appearance. Obviously, this is a fictional world so there's no real answer here, but I don't see how this would have eliminated concerns about race (No, don't explain. This is not the place for a discussion about what causes racism to crop up in societies). My point is that this is your headcanon, and being such I can't refute it except with my own headcanon and now we're going in circles. I'm just going off what's on the page. At the very least, by the example that you used we know that Egwene, at least, is white in the books. Which means they purposely changed her for the adaptation. Which means that the showrunners' first priority was diversity and not fidelity to the source material.
  5. Yeah, you've made a fair argument. I'm not saying that one approach (ethnic homogeneity/ethnic diversity) is definitively the case, just that there's not enough evidence to suggest that either one can be dismissed out of hand. For example, there's nothing to suggest that the society from the age of legends was ethnically diverse as you say it was. You may think "Oh, utopia=ethnically diverse," and that's fine. But in fact, there's very little which suggests ethnic diversity at all in WoT. As you say, people are described as having "light" or "dark" skin, but that's about it. "Light" and "dark" is totally relative. You could have people with light and dark skin among a group purely consisting of Caucasians or African Americans. WoT places way more emphasis on cultural difference than race which is exactly what an ethnocentric society would do. Like, the only group people in Randland are racist against is the Aiel and it's because they have red hair haha Lastly, I think that in this discussion, people forget that Randland really isn't that big. It's just one continent (estimates are that it's 3,500 miles from the Aryth Ocean to the Spine of the World. So it's roughly the size of America) not an entire planet, and it's very common for singular continents to not have much ethnic diversity. Africa, Asia, Europe, North America (pre-colonization, obviously). Any assumption that Randland is not also this way is just that, an assumption. But all in all, there's arguments to be made for both sides. I lean towards ethnic homogeneity in part because WoT doesn't really discuss race which leads me to believe that everyone probably looks somewhat similar in Randland so race isn't an issue.
  6. So if they'd cast Rand with a 4'10, 75 year old bald woman who was a reeaaaaaaally good actress, you would have been okay with that? Okay, jokes aside. This "as long as they can act" take is such a meme. You would not pick acting over appearance every single time. Nor would anyone. And this isn't a binary decision. There are definitely actors out there who look like the characters as described in the books who are also phenomenal actors. Not that it's always bad for there to be differences between a book character and an actor, but for immersion's sake I think we should agree that appearance maybe matters more than we've been giving it credit for.
  7. This is a funny joke, but I hope I don't have to tell you that you've totally missed the point. The point is just that it might look weird if there's a visible age gap between characters who are supposedly the same age and that this could be distracting.
  8. I'll push back on this. The Two Rivers is a tiny farm community which is comparatively isolated where the people who live there are born there, live their lives there, and die there. The idea of Two Rivers is that it's cut off from the outside world. I mean, it's a big deal when a peddler comes by or that Tam's wife was an outlander. People don't come to the Two Rivers, and people don't leave. Like, Rand never even imagined leaving. He fully expected to die in the Two Rivers because that's what everybody does. Also, remember that one of the reasons that Moiraine is so interested in the Two Rivers is that its isolation has lead to the near perfect preservation of the Manatheran bloodline. Because there's been very little interbreeding with outsiders. This would naturally lead to the people looking mostly the same or at least sharing similar characteristics. I think it's totally reasonable/justifiable for a community like this to exhibit a certain amount of homogenization, especially when its been like this for a thousand years. So even if the word "homogeny" isn't used in the books, everything else is there to strongly suggest that a significant amount of homogenization could certainly be expected among the Two Rivers population. Not to mention that in the real world, isolated towns like the two rivers usually produce genetic homogeneity, especially across long periods of isolation. It's literally science.
  9. An excellent reply! Thank you. My only comment would be the pushback to my comment about the Aes Sedai's self importance (forgive me, but I can't figure out how to do the quote box thing haha). I want to clarify that I'm just talking about the teaser. I just think it's a bit of poetic irony that Amazon seems to have an overinflated idea of the Aes Sedai's importance to the show, just like the Aes Sedai have of their own importance in the books haha
  10. I apologize if I was unclear, but I was specifically responding to your point that it was the most unique thing about the WoT story at the time of its release was the strength of its main characters. I contest that it wasn't super unique then in that regard and especially isn't now, almost 30 years later. As such, I think there's little reason to use it as marketing material outside of pandering to a limited subset of consumers who actually make viewing decisions based on the gender of the lead characters. That being said, there are definitely awesome roles for women in WoT. But there were also awesome roles for women in GoT, but HBO at least knew that that wasn't enough a sticking point to market their show on. It's fair to think that the Chosen One thing is tired, but I do want to make a few counter points: 1. I think there's a case to be made that it's time for the Chosen One story to make a comeback. Since GoT, everyone in prestige TV has been going for dark, gritty, stories with complex morality. I think there's actually a market for a return to the older modes now that they've been out of the rotation for a while. And whether they decide to market it as this or not, WoT is that kind of story haha People tired of the "farmboy destined to save the world" are going to figure it out eventually and the jig will be up. Some may stick around because they've gotten invested, but how many others will just be disappointed? 2. Also, even if my armchair market analysis is wrong (it most likely is), I still think that WoT's twist that the farmboy is destined to destroy the world is still fresh and different, at least in the world of Big-budget TV fantasy. I would wager that most casual audiences actually haven't seen anything like it before. Lastly, I think too much is being made of this Teaser trailer vs real trailer distinction. A teaser trailer is supposed to have laser focus. It is supposed to quickly and immediately communicate what the studio believes is the main appeal of the show. I think plenty can be learned about how they've approached the show from a teaser, and I what I saw in this teaser has just reinforced everything which has concerned me about Rafe's interviews and the other information which preceded it.
  11. To clarify the first point, I think his role in later seasons should be expanded, not his role in the first book. I don't care about seeing him captured, and if they choose to show that before his first appearance in the cage then I'd consider that a major downgrade. As to the second point, I would point out that Marion Zimmer Bradley was writing popular fantasy books throughout the 80's which centered on women and women using magic. So were Barbara Hambley and many other writers. WoT gets way too much credit for this imo haha Also, (and this is just an observation) in my nearly 15 years as a fan, probably the biggest complaint I've heard about the series is the presentation of the female characters. My wife is reading the series for the first time, and all she seems to talk about is how she hates the women haha It's kind of revising history a bit to claim that WoT was ever some kind of feminist touchstone when it was so long the target of scorn for not being that haha Note: This is a completely pedantic point that I've made too much out of. With regards to WoT being a matriarchy, there is an argument to be made here. However, I think that classifying that as a selling point is missing the mark. Especially since the world is only a matriarchy because it's broken. Pre-breaking and Post-Tarmon Gai-don, the world is run by men and women working together. So by elevating the role of the female aes sedai in WoT's marketing (and maybe storytelling) when one of the themes of WoT is that Aes Sedai actually have an overinflated sense of their own importance, Amazon is engaging in some unintentional irony. The selling point should have been The Dragon Reborn, that the world is approaching the end and it's Chosen One is just as likely to destroy the world as save it. This is the core of the story and I just don't like that Amazon felt they had to obscure that in favor of something else. Like, the Wheel of Time literally spins the pattern around Rand, and he's in the trailer for 1 second haha it's ironic, even if it doesn't actually end up reflecting the content of the show (which I hope it doesn't). So there you go! Hopefully that helped clarify my perspective a little. Thanks for the discussion!
  12. I would say that was my attitude when the show was first announced. All things being equal, yes, I was excited for a WoT TV show! However, all things are not equal anymore because we have information. We have information about the showrunners' priorities and approach and we have other details as well. And much of that information is concerning to me. Also, I would push back on the claim that there's nothing to compare it to. Why can't we compare it to GoT? Big budget fantasy TV based on a beloved and acclaimed series of novels. I have never seen the TV show, but I've read the books and just 5 minutes ago I went and watched the original trailer for Season 1 ... and it was great! It doesn't misrepresent the books in any way, which I think the WoT trailer does. It is for this reason that I can only hope that I'm wrong and that the show is good. Am I thinking too much about this before the show is even out? The answer is yes. Am I a crazy person? Yes. Yes I am haha
  13. This is kind of my point though. First off, there's nothing wrong with having Moiraine explain it to the main characters. The exposition in EoTW works so well because Rand, Mat, and Perrin are totally clueless about this stuff. It's natural that they would have questions and natural that Moiraine would answer them. But really, an explanation from Moiraine isn't even really necessary. Tam's line, "An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she speaks, may not be the truth you think you hear" is basically everything you need to know, and that can just be reinforced by the way people react to Moiraine or talk about aes sedai in casual conversation throughout the series. What's most interesting about aes sedai is how little people trust them, not that they can catch arrows using magic. However, this brings me to something else, which is that the early WoT books are some of the most exciting in the series despite hardly including any aes sedai or channeling (at least compared to later in the series). In adapting those books, you don't need to add random scenes of aes sedai wielding the One Power to make the story exciting for TV. The fact that they've put the aes sedai front and center makes me feel like the showrunners don't trust the source material and just latched on to the most outwardly obvious aspect which makes it cool/socially topical in 2021. And that worries me. As for the Logain stuff, he's one of the best characters in the books and I welcome an expanded role for him in the show. It's one of the few changes which has gotten me excited!
  14. Prolly not a hot take since no one seems to have an opinion one way or another, but I actually like the new guy better. I think he's more handsome, roguish, and has a less preppy, punchable face.
  15. Yeah, the polyamory/polygamy thing is definitely a nitpick. In practice, it really wouldn't change the series much.
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