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But he didn’t hear the louder, more consistent, complaints about favoring Egwene? Why would he fix one and not the other?
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Odd. Since she basically disappeared after S1. Disagree. The wolves were the effort to implicate Perrin. And MO’s conversation with Eggy + Eg’s apparent use of the power in the Ways were meant to be those efforts. She was, in no sense, a “main character” in that episode.
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This is entirely unverifiable. Cancellation is not the same as being "rejected by the vast majority" of fans. You can say that it didn't get good enough viewership, fine. But you do not have any clue how the "vast majority" of fans feel about the show. There are sizeable populations on both sides. There was nothing inherently wrong with bringing in a big star and centering her for S1. In fact, played differently, this could have been a strength. We didn't see any 'nations' in S1, and we have no idea of the 'sexual ethos' of anyone other than Emond's Field. These are personal opinions and not objective facts. Perrin, Rand and Tam all fought well on Winternight. Perrin led Egwene through difficult terrain to find the Tinkers. Mat heroically saved his sisters. Rand didn't 'complain,' other than to question Moriaine. Women had roles of leadership in the books too, or have you forgotten? Served the 'Who is the Dragon' plot line. Served the 'Who is the Dragon' plot line. Didn't happen in S1. Okay, maybe one point in your favor. But so minor as not to be worth mentioning. Served the 'Who is the Dragon' plot line.
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You’re going to have to defend this statement. Because I will argue that nearly every gripe you have about the show can be traced back to that plot choice.
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Something tv tries purposefully to avoid. If your tv show needs to explain a foundational concept multiple times from different perspectives, it’s failing.
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It’s neither of these things. What it is is simply a desire to dance on the show’s grave and point and laugh at all the people who enjoyed it. There’s no point engaging.
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Obviously not.
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Not for quite awhile.
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Exactly!! I found the prologue incomprehensible the first time I read it too.
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To me, it makes more sense as the cold open to the finale.
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Didn’t like it at all. I didn’t say that. Books and tv aren’t the same. Things that work in one medium don’t necessarily work in the other. It’s not that the prologue wouldn’t work in the series at all. It’s just that it’s not a good beginning in the tv medium.
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Yes. But this prologue would be a terrible way to introduce a tv audience to Wheel of Time. Nothing that happens in the prologue is developed in any meaningful way by the plot of EotW until the very end. It would be an odd, stand alone scene with no connection to any of the characters or places the audience would experience. And it would confuse casuals because it would appear to be happening in the future rather than the past. I really don’t get the love for filming the prologue…
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There absolutely is. That reason is that he was writing a book, not making a tv show.
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I don't know why you keep insinuating that I am somehow saying that S1 was great and should stand unchanged. That's never been my position. My position has been that you can't just 'do the books'. I didn't think it was great. I thought it was ... okay. Better than much of the fantasy on tv, but worse that the good shows. As for your list: I would have nixed it too. At least in terms of making it the Prologue. As I've said over and over, I would have opened the show with the Dragon being reborn juxtaposed with Gitara's prophecy. I would choose this to center the audience on what the series is going to be about: this boy, this prophecy. And I would have used it to provide a visual and thematic connection for my B plot centered on the Tower's efforts to capture Logain. I actually thought they only did it alright. The battle lasted a little too long. We got Perrin killing his wife, which I pretty much hated. (Though I'll admit they managed to pull that thread through his relationship with Faile pretty nicely.) We got the lame "women's circle badassery". We got Nynaeve dragged off. Didn't like any of that. I didn't mind the way the show did Shadar Logoth. On rewatch, it was probably the strongest episode. And you're probably not remembering the episode correctly if you think they only spent 5 minutes there. It was the majority of the episode. This one I understood from a practical standpoint. It's pretty expensive to build a full on city set that you're only going to use for about an hour of show time. I probably leave it in and hope to get away with interiors and some CGI for Tar Valon in Season 1. Again, your memory is messing with you. The episode spent the majority of time in the Ways and actually wasn't bad. I didn't like "Machin Shin is drawn to channeling" too much, or the changing of the key to channeling. Impossible ending that needed to be changed. What they came up with was dog water. (I'm interested to see the original script before Barney left). I would have played the whole season as a psychological thriller where Ishy was purposefully leading Rand there and Moiraine was unknowingly bringing him right where Ishy wanted. I would have left the Green Man as a surprise and a guardian of this place of rest. But just when it seemed they had a moment of peace, Rand follows Ishy's call, finds the seal, and is tricked into destroying it. The seal breaks, Ishy is free, Rand and Mo have to fight to survive. Meanwhile, in the b plot, we drip hints about the Horn throughout the Season, maybe even weaving together the calling of the Hunt with the takedown of Logain. Lan knows that the Horn is, in fact, hidden in Fal Dara. We have a big set piece where they foil the plot and take Fain captive. We end with Fain scrawling on his prison wall.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. Because you are correct. So what was it that GoT did so successfully with the lore in that show? They made it integral to the plot - the Game of Houses. They made it mysterious and wrapped it up inside little plot points and character moments. They made learning about the lore a plot element of the show that was revealed to the viewers drip by drip. And what was that lore? Not grandiose prophecies about things no one knew or cared about (other the A'zor A'hai prophecy, which everyone simply assumed meant the winner of the struggle for the throne). Rather the lore was about people. Simple stuff - my ancestor did this, their ancestors did that. There was not giant magic system to explain. There weren't magic items, and seals, and overlapping prophecies or a whole philosophical structure upon which the whole story was built. GoT basically asked audiences to accept two things in S1: Zombies and Dragons. That's it. The rest of the magic was kept intentionally vague and of questionable efficacy with the biggest 'magic' being sneaking Stannis into Renly's tent. These things made it more accessible - more 'normal' if you will - to general audiences. So you're correct. The writers of WoT should have tried to duplicate GoT in that they should have gotten the audience invested in the lore, then dripped it out to them in a way that left them seeking it instead of fast forwarding or tuning out when it was brought up. You absolutely could not do that and keep the ending of EotW as written. LOL. No. You just retreat back to 'books good, show bad' and 'the Stepin arc sucked!' as the answer to everything. And yeah, since the show is over, If you think you can do better, I'd like to see your brilliant ideas. But it's much easier to sit back and smugly play the role of Monday morning quarterback.