“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

*makes my best Trolloc face, possibly ruined by my sparkly outfit and glitter covered weapons* 😁

Indeed! And if you'd prefer your full name, then that's what we will use! 😁 🤍

Hello there Seryse! I hope you don't mind us calling you that? I am Delenn Sedai and I should have you sorted shortly! If there is anything you need, don't hesitate to ask! Welcome to the Tower! 🤩

Welcome and what Mother, said! But the social groups are less spoiler filled than other places around DM. It's all a magnificent ride though! I wish I was reading the books for the first time.... 😁

It's been ages since I read the books but I seem to remember a decent amount. I got about halfway into book 5, I think. That was Heretics Of Dune. I did have to look it up though. 😅 I have also really enjoyed the adaptations that have been done. So, am I the only one who is excited about the release? And is anyone doing a reread or a rewatch of any of the Dune movies in advance? In general, let's talk Dune! 🤩

We are just a month away from the release of the latest adaptation of Dune Pt2. I thought this quote might be appropriate here. *grins* 

“We Bene Gesserit sift people to find the humans.”

― Frank Herbert, Dune

Is there a D? 😅

Stolen from my Sister @Kara_J because 💚 🤍 and she's got great fodder for this thread. 

*Points up* I just followed Lily. I dunno why exactly but it seemed like a good idea at the time.... 

Welcome back Kemian! It will be good to have you around! 🤍

So the question then becomes, When does reasoning start? A fundamental question that occupies historians and philosophers. This will likely lead to 'When does man gain awareness?' and possibly 'What is intelligence?', but we aren't there just yet. Please let us know in your posts below as you join the conversation if there is a particular direction you'd like us to go! 

Cross is correct and going back further the latin root reri, is to consider. So, it strikes me that the thing we have both have said is that an action, namely observation of the world around you, is the first piece in the chain of events that starts this process. Noticing and being aware, then comes making the connections in the mind. When is it instinct and when is it learning? It brings to mind the stories of octopus and how their biggest failing is that they fail to teach their young. 

What are your thoughts? Let's open it up for discussions...

2 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Like, the whole dang sweet corn on the cob? 

 Boiled & sliced off the cob but yep, you got the idea. 

 It is possible this alone will send me to therapy. 

Give me my pineapple and ham pizza! With thin, streaky bacon and roasted red peppers please! 😋

Now, what I cannot get my head around is sweet corn on pizza. That's just weird! 

*laughs* I bet you all thought I was the wild child of our pairing! 😉

So the topic is: Knowledge vrs Reason and Logic. 

I am of the opinion that these things are so interwoven it is hard to separate them. Knowledge is defined as facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. While reason is defined secondarily as the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically. And finally logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

So each definition contains a bit of the the other in it, even if only in description. A bit like tea once the milk has been mixed in. 

As a White I believe that by definition the ability to reason starts this process off. Quite simply you must gather data in order to survive. As you gather data it becomes knowledge that you then use to see patterns and predict outcomes. This is reasoning and logic coming into play. This would then be followed by the pure desire to know. To understand something more about the world around you, or even about yourself. The reasons for this desire to know are many, and a different topic. But it leads to continued gathering and recombining of data sets into the model we collectively refer back to as a basis for a more formal, scientific knowledge. 

From these data sets you naturally start drawing conclusions. At its most basic level it goes about like this: ~The weather is getting warmer, the days longer, the trees are growing flowers, soon there will be fruit on these trees. I know this from multiple data sets that have been experienced and reinforced by the shared experiences of others. I will return soon to gather it and eat well. ~  Reasoning has lead to the collection of facts and knowledge has allowed further reasoning to lead to logic and desired outcomes. Each building on the other and unable to stand alone. 

I don't know Keeper @Cross. I don't think you can take the milk out of the tea! 

Hello! Welcome to Tea... with Milk! 

I am Delenn Sedai, Mistress of Novices, raised from the White Ajah and I am with Keeper Cross Sedai, raised from the Brown Ajah. We have gotten together to start bringing you an ongoing discussion thread, formatted a bit like a morning talk show! So find your seat and we will get started! 

The format of this will be simple. Keeper Cross or I will introduce a topic by each posting in turn about it. The first part of which will contain a bolded, underlined title so each new topic is easier to find. Then, once we have each posted, we will end with the phrase: Let's open it up for discussions...

That will be your cue to join the conversation! The discussion will continue until it runs its course as long as it stays mostly on topic and follows the DM CoC. We understand debates and discussions can get heated but allow kindness to guide your words. We are participating to learn and expand after all. In short no personal attacks of any kind and stay on topic. 

Remember, once a discussion has died off, start looking for the next one! It will be posted again in this thread with the title of the new topic in bold and underlined so it's easier to see where it begins. 

Oh, and we take suggestions and requests for topics too! Please, message either of us on Dragonmount or Discord and tell us your ideas! We will add them to the list and perhaps they will be selected for discussion! 

We hope you enjoy, and let’s start the show! 🤎🤍🤎

Yep! Well, you are always asking why I double type letters!  The spelling is still mostly me though! lol 

My "desk" at home. Really hoping to settle and upgrade soon. That round green thing rocks in a circle when I type! 

Oh my goodness! These are fantastic! Are you still making these frequently? I own a shop and so when I see things like this I have many questions.  Always looking for merchandise to try out! 

That is when I don't just keep all the things for myself! 😍

*gathers in Boopsy and Elgee, all the Whites and anyone else who knew Twinnie* 😢

We (staff) don't have all the details, and have only ever been notified via Facebook. I'd say @Taymist is a reliable verification. Perhaps she has more information? I believe it's been a few years now though. I only found out when I was raised to White Sitter again after returning.  

Twinnie was a huge part of my time here too. Whites also have a tendancy to roam and return. To know one of us won't is heartbreaking. ❄️🤍❄️

Twinflower Sedai of the White Ajah. You will be missed Sister. 

And also for those others we may not have known but lost as well. Each one takes a little piece of us all with them. 🕯️

How about a C?

Is there an M, please?

Thanks Dar'Jen! *stabs back* 

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Del….! 

Coming out of my haze, I stared in horror as the Nae’blis of the Dark One takes over the Algai’s mind. Mother’s voice reached me again and Lily appeares to be flashing between darkness and light. The Nae’blis was heading her way.. 

Weaving Saidar, I wrap Eirik from head to toe in flows of Air and then drench him in flows of Spirit. As he shakes his head, the darkness around him dissipates. Weaving spirit again I let it flow first over Lily, who for a moment appeared even more shadowed than Eirik, and then over Mother Elgee before dividing the flows to cleanse the whole assembly. Then channeling I fix Spirit infused globes of light overhead and in every corner, chasing the flickering dark away. 

Releasing Eirik, I run over to my Sister and wrap an arm around her. 

Are you alright Mother? I must say you look stunning…. 

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Weaves a flow of spirit into a nearby stone with odd markings covering it. 

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Oh! Oh my! Well, my children the Feast of Fools Flicker Ball and Street Fair has come to an end. The Dark one has been driven away, for now, but we all must remain ever vigilant as he tries to find ways to touch this world. 

Slowly the flickering comes to an end and the world around us begins to stabilize. I weave a Water, Air, and Spirit together, and send the energy to the clouds above. Slowly at first, then faster and heavier the snow falls leaving a glittering white cover that washed away all touches or the Dark Ones taint that remained around me. Tying off the weave so it dissipated over the next few hours I look around at all the people starting to gather as they come out of their haze. 

Go and rest, children. You are safe from the Dark One and his touch for now. Well? Go on. You may go about your business… 

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