10 hours ago, Elgee said:

 

Absolutely 100% yes! Some of us have read each book several times. In my case, over 20 times for most of the earlier books ... lol ... still pick up new things.

Currently on LOC in my 4th time, 2nd time Audible. To get the best out of WOT you definitely need to do a re-read. Its 14 very big books. 

I could keep a Yellow Ajah Sister busy for a while certainly, feeling all my 60 years.

Halfway through Crossroads of Twighlight and loving it? Your going well, keep going you will love it. 
If your sad after finishing AMOL, i have a great suggestion, go back and pick up EOTW, you will be surprised how much you have missed.

On 6/19/2021 at 7:45 AM, Sabio said:

Back in the Forsaken time, they were always trying to find better ways and new uses for the power.  In Rand's time the Aes Sedai strongly discourage experimenting with the power.  In the Big White Book it even says the Yellow Ajah believes that what they know about healing is the best that can be done,  So there is little desire to risk burning yourself out to explore new weaves.  So most simply never try.  

It is also a failure of the Seachean, where their channelers are never allowed the freedom to find better weaves.  They are mostlly used as weapons or finding stuff like ore,, there is no desire to find new weaves unless they capture a channeler with better knowledge.

And they certainly don’t use Damane for healing, there is several occurrences where Seanchan freak out at the mere thought of being healed with the One Power.

14 hours ago, DJH said:

i don’t want to get the thread OT, but my understanding is RJ’s wife was doing the editing in the early books.

 

there’s multiple story arches that span thousands of words and dozens of chapters that could have been drastically edited down.

 

the books could have been shorter, fewer, or more time could have been spent on other story arches.

 

obviously, this opinion is subjective but it is shared by others.

 

I even feel that way about the last three books. I felt like so much was crammed into AMOL that could have been covered in more depth in the previous two. We didn’t need to spend so much time on Elayne and Camelyn as the ultimately had very little to do with what was essentially the culmination of a 14 book series and the long-time-coming last battle. It was like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. We spent a whole book on Elayne and Camelyn only to have it literally burn down the next book lol. 

To get Tuon in earlier you are going to have to do a major re-write of several books, Rand has to find Salidar first and he is to busy at first in Carhien and Caemlyn , Mat is not ready to go to Salidar until he has the Band a going concern, there is also Avienha with Rand before she goes to Salidar. The leadership in Salidar are not going to allow Nynaeve, Elayne, Mat and co to go to Ebu Dar, it takes Egwene being raised to the Amyrlin Seat and raising them to the Shawl for that to happen. 
 

How are you going to do Mat and Tuon to increase there Page Count? The story of there flight from Ebu Dar is a big one as is.

Sorry i just think that any earlier appearance by Tuon in the Westlands just changes the story to much

You cant have Tuon and the Seanchan turning up till the Bowl is found and used and everyone escapes. You basically have to re-write 2-3 books and bring a lot of things forward for that to happen. 

7 hours ago, DJH said:

Two things:

 

I can’t believe the seanchan were introduced so early in the series (book 2) but we only meet tuon closer to the end. Would have loved more of tuon and mat honestly. 
 

I think the overall plot was VERY fluid in the first several books. The identity of Ba-alzamon and Ishamael, the nature of Mat and his memories (there are hints that he was shaping up to be a reborn hero too, but then RJ moved away from that), and this issue with LTT/Rand being reborn and then as the series progressed reincarnation became a pretty central them, not just the heroes.

 

anyhow the prophecy/rebirth of LTT/Rand is still unique. Seems tied to  the DO, and the opening, sealing, resealing of the bore. 

It was originally only going to be a Trilogy at no time did RJ mean it to be a 14 Book series, even at the time of his passing he only intended one more book. It was Brandon who turned the last book into 3, personally i think it was the right decision.

Personally i think there is enough of Mat and Tuon and bringing back the Seanchon earlier would have resulted in a major change to Mats Storyline, he needed to do Rhuidean and Carhien before going to Ebu Dar, Nynaeve and co needed to do the Bowl of the Winds before Tuon and the Seanchans arrival. 

Not sure how you introduce Tuon any earlier without throwing a massive Spanner in the works story wise.

44 minutes ago, Harldin said:

_{The only issue i can see with Hawkwing being the Dragon is, he would be both leading the Heroes of the Horn and being Rand at the same time.}

ooops?
The only issue i have with writing comments out when still half asleep i get different characters mixed up. How i got Hawkwing is one of those great mysteries 

_{The only issue i can see with Hawkwing being the Dragon is, he would be both leading the Heroes of the Horn and being Rand at the same time.}

14 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

 

Thanks! I've been enjoying this. Next month I'll have to come up with another game for the BT - I'm about to do a 20hr road trip -- so I guess I'll think on it!

You could listen to half a WOT book on Audible on a trip that long

Sorry guys I haven’t had a chance to get back to this. If someone else wants to post a picture please go ahead and ill do something next time.

Please ignore last post, having trouble putting a pucture up 

14 hours ago, Asha'man Shar'aman said:

Alright. What Faction are you @Harldin? 

 

The character is Bukama, Lan’s best friend and the guy that carried him out of Malkier. 

Im not sure how that works but if all i have to do is declare which one it’s definitely Light faction.

Morly Hardlin who i have named myself after was one of Logains Ashaman so definitely Light.

PS : yea i know i misspelt my name

He was killed just before Lan was bonded with Morraine 

2 hours ago, Asha'man Shar'aman said:

Sorry, Harldin. Thanks for being honest though. 

I guessed correctly who it was but couldn’t remember his name and went looking for it and thats when i saw the picture. 
Nothing to apologise for, personally i really didn’t think it could be anyone else, there are only a handful of named Malkier 

I know who it is as i just saw this picture on the Wiki page with his name against it, but that would be cheating so i have to disqualify myself. 

Davram Bashere?

23 hours ago, Elessar said:

Some further reflections on this topic.

 

That Caemlyn is probably cut from season 1 concerns me (and I think that is what Brandon Sanderson was thinking about when he indicated that one particular thing would polarize fans). Rand in Caemlyn seeing Logain for the first time (as the False Dragon is being taken to Tar Valon to be gentled) is one of the most important scenes in The Eye of the World in my opinion, which stuck in my mind long after I read the book. As is his meeting there with Elaida and her important Foretelling. (Rand meeting Elayne there for the first time is not essential but it was charming to read, I thought. It showed how young and innocent Rand was at the start of his incredible journey). I am somewhat baffled that Rafe would consider removing this part. It could have been included without having to ‘build’ a capital city. I suspect part of the reason might be that the showrunners wish less focus on Rand in the beginning of the story (call it ‘deflection’, ‘red herring as for Logain’ or ‘revisionism’ depending one one’s view). I understand financial constraints etc, but come on. It’s a bit like removing Gandalf’s scene with Bilbo/Frodo in Hobbiton at the start of the LoTR-movie (FoTR). Yeah, they could have met elsewhere but that is where they met in Tolkien’s story, that was special, that was what the fans wanted to see.

 

As for the Harry Potter movies, saying some are better made than others is in many ways a subjective view I would say. I had never read any of those books before I watched the movies and can’t say I reacted any differently to the first movies than the later ones. All well made, I enjoyed them all in their own way (I am no die-hard fan but they are entertaining) not knowing which were faithfully adapted and which were not, but I don’t think a faithful tv/movie-adaptation of a book necessarily makes it poor (Game of Thrones: Season 1 is a good example of the opposite). Neither would a faithful adaptation of The Eye of the World (with some necessary changes and minor adjustments but on the whole following the book) have made it poor. Perhaps it would have been better than what we are actually going to get, who knows.

 

What will make the tv-show successful? There is clearly a financial aspect (number of viewers) and expectations. If we get all seasons (say 8 in all) so Rafe and the others get to tell the whole story, that would make most fans satisfied and most would consider it a success I think. I see some believe this tv-show will match Game of Thrones in popularity but I think that is a bit overoptimistic. Game of Thrones was unique when it came, a level above anything else seen on tv in the fantasy-genre, and that series also was a mix of fantasy, horror (zombies), knights and middle ages costume drama which meant it appealed to wide audiences. Even if the Wheel of Time tv-show will be top quality (as is my belief from what I read) it will probably appeal to a smaller audience and so if it becomes popular on the level of say The Witcher or slightly above aforementioned Shadow and Bone (I watched a couple of episodes but something about it - felt like a weird mix of WW1 and fantasy -  just did not appeal to me) I think Amazon should be pleased. The most important is that it becomes popular enough for Amazon to give it many seasons, preferably so the showrunners get to tell the whole story (I agree with those who believe this complex and truly huge saga should have gotten 10 seasons to tell the story with some intricate detail and necessary precision, but seems we must be happy if it gets 8 in the end).

 

I noted btw someone talked above about Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth Book Series. Trash? Not at all. Very enjoyable reading in fact even if he did copy Wheel of Time in several aspects and he did make Richard Rahl preach a lot as the series went along. On the whole though I enjoyed that book series (it's not on the level of LoTR or The Wheel of Time or A Song of Ice and Fire but enjoyable), but I have to add that the ending (climax) was a huge letdown.

 

Talking fantasy tv-series, I have enjoyed many of Terry Brooks' Shannara books as well over the years, esp the first two trilogies (Sword and Heritage). I was curious how the Shannara tv-series would be and must say I was a little disappointed. It wasn't bad per se but not as good as I would have wished. I also thought that the series (season 1, based on Elfstones of Shannara) was less faithful to the source material (canon) than I would have liked but my main issue was that it felt like a YA-series and therefore meant for an other audience than yours truly. I haven't seen season 2 but read that it was a 'free¨' adaptation in the Shannara world.

The issue with the Royal Palace scene in Caemlyn is it involves the Cameos of 1 major(Elayne) and 5 extremely important Characters(Elaida, Morgase, Galad, Gawyn and Bryn), their involvement in S1 would at the most be 10min, that is going to restrict your ability to get the right Actors for these roles. 

8 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

if the "big change that fans won't like" is the removal of caemlyn, i'd say we get off light. there are so many things they could screw up, introducing the trakands in season 2 and skipping the meeting of rand and logain (incidentally no, that scene is not plot critical) is the least of it.

 

i mostly forgot the exact quote from sanderson, and having read it again, i am more optimistic. sure, sanderson would never directly speak ill of the show. but from everything i know of him, he would not blatantly lie either. and he had a good, strong, and - most important - unrequired praise for rafe that makes me optimistic. he had no need or duty whatsoever to put in a specific paragraph to praise the director, he did it because he was convinced.

 

also, wot has the potential for big money. and the managers know it. they know that, if they do it right and it gets successful, they can milk the cow for 7-8 seasons and make top $$$. If they screw it up, they earn much less. it is in their best interest to commit and try to make a good product.

sure, they can still screw up. GoT did, in the end. but GoT failed when they had no more original script. which is not going to happen here

I think we may still get the Rand and Logain scene but maybe not in Caemlyn. They could quite easily do it having a caged Logain travelling through a random Village where Rand and Mat have stopped and Rand goes to see the False Dragon, maybe have the Camera on Logain and suddenly Logain sees something that shocks him or even have Eye Contact between Logain and Rand. Actually i think this would make a better scene the Caemlyn did. 

1 hour ago, SinisterDeath said:

In many ways, the Harry Potter Novels/Movies are the exception, not the rule. They were a "phenomena".

Personally, I was never a huge fan of the books, or even the movies. I felt there was far better SFF that would be great on film, that was being squandered on Harry Potter.

In fact, I was actually reading WoT before I even heard of the Harry Potter novels, and didn't understand why everyone and their mother was reading something clearly inferior to WoT! ? 

Never read the Books, watched all the Movies once, didn’t hate them but never fell in love with them either. 
Sanderson did say that there would be one change made that a lot of Fans won’t be happy about, i suspect its Caemlyn being dropped and no Trakands in S1. Though i am disappointed if that is the case, I understand the reasoning behind it and have accepted those reasons.

3 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

Looks like Amazon is going to market Prime Day pretty hard. Per Deadline

 

Amazon is releasing exclusive streaming concerts to coincide with Prime Day. These Prime exclusives are going to drop on June 17 and be available for 30 days.

It seems more and more likely that the first true "teaser trailer" for WoT will hit sometime between June 17 and the beginning of Prime Day on June 21. With them specifically focused on marketing Prime, the likelihood that they will ignore this opportunity to promote their shiny, new fantasy product seems vanishingly small. At a minimum, they will want WoT included in an "and coming soon, exclusively to Prime Video" type mashup.

I think it's fair to say that the wait is nearly over...

Yes i think there is a fair chance we may get a coming soon Trailer at the very least and WOT would definitely get a mention whether it will include any new footage or a date for E1, who can say? ??????????????????????

19 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

It’s actually the other way around. The Last Kingdom was first published in 2004. Vikings premiered in 2013. 
 

Both shows deal with some of the same historical events, though Last Kingdom is more historically accurate. And both are excellent shows. 
 

The reason I mentioned Last Kingdom specifically is because it adapts a lengthy series of novels, just as WoT will require. It is generally regarded as an excellent adaptation because it focuses on the heart of the main characters even though it sacrifices numerous plot points. 
 

Also, my purely subjective opinion is that Vikings seemed better to me at first too. But it’s not. It’s not really even close. 

There is actually a major Last Kingdom Character in the final Season of Vikings, King Alfred. 
Personally I’m a big fan of both shows, i think they complement each other very well. Must admit though.

*Warning Spoilers for both Shows

I missed both Ragnar and Alfred after they left there shows and didn’t quite enjoy the shows as much.

On 5/29/2021 at 6:48 AM, Wolfbrother31 said:

Oh, and two more things. 1) When Rafe says that "you'll see the weaves if you're a woman that can channel", that's a joke right?? I took it as a joke. 2) I agree that there's not ambiguity in Rafe's response about a trailer - it's not coming soon. So I reeeally really doubt we're gonna see WoT this year. Which bums me out. 

I’m pretty sure what he meant was it will be like the Books in that you will see the weaves only from the POV of a Channeler and only when it is needed as part of the story. For instance in EOTW when Rand is watching Morraine using Saidar to help everyone with exhaustion, you don’t need to see the weaves just the after effects but later in the Cave when Morraine is reaching Egwene you would see Egwene’s weave. 

On 5/29/2021 at 6:48 AM, Wolfbrother31 said:

Oh, and two more things. 1) When Rafe says that "you'll see the weaves if you're a woman that can channel", that's a joke right?? I took it as a joke. 2) I agree that there's not ambiguity in Rafe's response about a trailer - it's not coming soon. So I reeeally really doubt we're gonna see WoT this year. Which bums me out. 

I’m pretty sure what he meant was it will be like the Books in that you will see the weaves only from the POV of a Channeler and only when it is needed as part of the story. For instance in EOTW when Rand is watching Morraine using Saidar to help everyone with exhaustion, you don’t need to see the weaves just the after effects but later in the Cave when Morraine is reaching Egwene you would see Egwene’s weave. 

11 hours ago, Elgee said:

I don't recall that either Elaida or Siuan were appointed with the premise that they would be figureheads. Siuan was appointed because of her competence, and Elaida was almost "self-appointed", as she led the coup against Siuan.

 

What we learn from the histories is that some Amyrlin's couldn't cut it, and were reduced down to being figureheads.

Personally i think Elaida was appointed by the Black Ajah and Mesaana as a means to destroying the White Tower. Just about everything that happened during Elaida’s rule was orchestrated by the BA, Elaida was little more then a Puppet who simply had no idea she was one. 

5 hours ago, DojoToad said:

Maybe they’ll put out another 5-second teaser (with two seconds of video) that answers all these questions 

Followed 3 days later by an extended version showing a 10ft Tall hairy creature in the Background that is not a Trolloc as we have not yet seen a Trolloc?

1 hour ago, Asha'man Shar'aman said:

But what about the oil on his head to show he was named the next King? Wouldn’t you need a baby for that?

Oops, Not quite sure why i have quoted your post, sorry about that, my post was generally in reply to earlier posts about babies and the speculation of needing several different babies of various ethnicities.
Of course you are still going to have to show a baby occasionally.