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2 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
I’ll just say without Cory’s post and flip that make this plausible I would be a lot more suspicious of Verb after Leelou’s flip and his already confirmed ability.
That's fair. also, my votes were correct. I forgot to respond back to that earlier.
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Just now, VooDooNut said:
Above quote taken from: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jack-of-all-trades
No idea if that's accurate to this game, but maybe it's helpful.
I've seen several flavors of JOAT over the years. Not all of them include a vig, not all of them include a roleblocker. I think every version I've seen has had a protective role (not always a doctor, I think I've seen a version with a jailkeeper once), and usually an investigative role (cop, tracker, watcher) It's kind of one of those utility roles that can be customized to fit the balance of the game.
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7 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
Verbal would never leave a town!Leelou alive if he’s scum. That’s the only part of that you’re missing I think. Plus he was town reading her so I don’t think he’d ever make that shot on his own unless he was scum. You see?
only if I knew Cory’s powers exactly I could put that to bed.
I can't really comment on the first part since idk their history, other than they have a bunch. Darthe/Hallia, do you think AJ's PoV makes sense wrt verbal? I do think the part about the town read is probably valid though? And yeah, I agree. knowing Cory's powers would probably help lock the game.
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5 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
My issue stems from the fact I have a hard time seeing town with double killing powers. Cory could’ve easily been claiming a cop shot there and that makes sense if his utility was the Cop/doc as JOAT. In that world I could see an odd Night vig being present but then who killed Leelou? You see the hang up. Her dying while Verb has a gun isn’t a good look for him on the surface but again I am gaming the mod with the setup spec and it’s not going to help. I could see him 3p but I don’t see the motivation to claim as a wolf and I also can’t see wolves having theoretically four kills in the first two Nights. Town MLs twice and all wolves shots go thru and it’s over N2. That’s basically where I’ve landed.Sure, but if verbal actually shot Leelou, why deny it? Like that doesn't really make sense either since Leelou was very much in the PoE, even more so after Chris flipped town and would actually make sense for a vig shot.
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Unless his PoE list wasn't ordered I guess. I just sort of assumed it was with the arrow and the Leelou shot.
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7 hours ago, whiskey delta said:
this is Cory calling that shot I’m pretty sureI mean, Cory shooting leelou made sense given Chris's flip. I was just trying to wrap my head around if he had a shot, why it made him feel better about verbal after Chris's flip. Maybe it was just verbal's vote on SD instead of Chris and SD was next in Cory's list? I think he made it pretty clear earlier in the day the only reason why verbal wasn't in his PoE was because of the claimed shot.
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I'm going to call it a night and do a bunch of rereading tomorrow.
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1 minute ago, Darthe said:
Lol I wish I were in your slot. You know your alignment and this game must feel so clear if you’re town. That’s the relief I crave.
Having been the innocent child in a game once, I understand that feeling lol
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I don't think AJ is ever with Hallia or voodoo. He could be with Verb or SD. In that scenario it would have to be AJ/SD/Verb. Which doesn't seem like a super likely team just looking at it, plus he actually seems like he's trying to work with me/us to solve (which is actually kind of impressive given his...uh...state of mind). So AJ is probably just town.
So it's some combination of hallia/voodoo/sinister/verbal, which is what AJ was saying. If verb is town, the solve is just hallia/voodoo/sinister.
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1 minute ago, Darthe said:
Hey, pretend you know I'm town. Let's say cory had a cop view instead of a doc save. How do you see this game?
Some question at AJ and Verb.
I mean, I think you're town already, so it doesn't change much for me, other than AJ would quit waffling about it.
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Just now, Darthe said:
Do you want verb to shoot tonight or holster?
If we feel good about our solve, probably shoot. I kind of want to do some more rereading tomorrow though.
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3 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
Tripped if you’re town and Verb is town then literally it’s
Hallia/Voodoo/Sinister
Darthe/Voodoo/Sinister
I’d buy Voodoo is a wolf atp but he may or may not make sense for Hallia. You see?
Walk me through voodoo. god...if it really is just voodoo/sd/+1 lolus for giving them a pass for so long. I don't feel verb is totally clear either, but idk what else to do about that at this point.
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I definitely don't think you're being stupid, but this game is definitely hurting my brain.
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2 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
yeah, idk, it's weird, I expected at least someone to vote there if she's town but it hasn't happened.
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If the claim is true, I can also see why he felt pressured to shoot N1 if he couldn't shoot N2.
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Just now, whiskey delta said:
Oh yeah Verb would definitely shoot Zander lol
the important part to me is that he claimed beforehand and I think that’s the answer for his alignment tbh
Oh, fair. I didn't think about it from that PoV. When you said claim, I thought you meant the part where he claimed the shot after it happened, not calling the shot before taking it.
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3 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
Is there ever a world where Verbal claims a vig shot like that for no real reason and is lying about it?
The odd-night variant is one of those convenient things that makes me paranoia but I struggle to see the motive beforehand. Just draws attention
It seems unlikely??? But I've never played with him or seen him play, so I have no idea what he would or wouldn't do. I do know leelou said she could see him taking a shot at zander as any alignment, so that at least tracks.
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Just now, whiskey delta said:
it’s definitely not theatre I’m just freaked out and need to be talked down a bit. If I’m being stupid please tell me
I’m Town. Clov had you as town. You basically said he was town yesterday and still voted him so that scares me a little but I said I trusted you about reading him so maybe I should trust his read on you too
I mostly voted him because I realized he gave up. He had that one post to me about us having different opinions on the utility of letting yourself die. I probably read that post like 20 times while I was agonizing over whether to vote him or not. But I took as him giving me permission to do something he knew I would hate doing if I was reading him as town so. i was not at all happy about it.
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5 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:
Chris is dead and he’s not coming back so talking about him is pointless.
It’s Darthe or Hallia today.
Tbats the only question that matters. Where do you stand?
As annoyed as I am with Darthe, I have a hard time seeing him being a wolf here. And I think it's really unlikely that both of them are wolves and that was all just theater.
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1 minute ago, whiskey delta said:
I think the fact that Day ends with hammer answers this question tbqhI know. I meant I think anyalignement!you would have hammered. I was trying to decide if wolf!you would hammer right away to make sure wagons don't move because misyeeting Chris is better than misyeeting town!SD and WAAAY better than yeeting wolf!SD or if wolf!you, knowing that Chris isn't going to do anything himself to move wagons, would wait to look better.
I think town you would have waited, so I can see the case for wolf!you doing the same. because as you said, hammer is day end.
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Just now, Darthe said:
I don't wanna knock the dead guy since he can't defend himself, but I was really surprised with that flip. He didn't feel like himself, and he neither him nor Cory hunted like I was expecting them to.
I mean, Chris said he was going to have limited time to play. I realize I have a lot better grasp on that than just about anyone else here because I'm very aware of his schedule since we've talked every day for 3+ years.
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Oh, I absolutely think he would have hammered if Chris hadn't. I was more asking if you think he would have slow rolled it a bit given Chris's lack of time to play.
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@Hallia do you think AJ would have hammered Chris there right away rather than waiting, given game state?
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1 minute ago, VooDooNut said:
Also, it it just a general rule for newbies to suffer with all the abbreviated strat terms? What's AtE?
AtE - Appeal to emotion
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D1 Vote count. Wagons were tied on Dice and Hallia. Color coded for readability.
A couple posts later Voodoo pushes Hallia ahead.
I cross posted with my Dice vote, so wagons were still tied, this time at 4.
At this point wagons are pretty set and voodoo comes back with this:
Cory comes in with this a couple posts later:
and then votes Hallia.
Which would have put votes here:
Dice (4) - Zander, Hallia, Leelou, Tripped
Leelou (1) - Clov,
Hallia (5) - AJ, Dice, Darthe, VooDoo, Cory
Sinister Death (2) - Verbal, SinisterDeath
Not Voting (0):
SD was self voting, but then Zander prompted him to move his vote, Zander moves to leelou and SD votes Dice, putting the wagons here:
Dice (4) - , Hallia, Leelou, Tripped, SinisterDeath
Leelou (1) - Clov, Zander
Hallia (5) - AJ, Dice, Darthe, , VooDoo, Cory
Sinister Death (1) - Verbal,
Not Voting (0):
Darthe tries to move to Chris, but doesn't get any takers, verbal unvotes sinister and votes Dice:
Dice (5) - , Hallia, Leelou, Tripped, SinisterDeath, Verbal,
Leelou (1) - Clov, Zander
Hallia (4) - AJ, Dice, VooDoo, Cory
Clov (1) - Darthe,
Then Darthe and zander try to go AJ, but it doesn't happen, and Darthe goes back to Hallia, tying them at 5 each with Zander waiting in the wings to break the tie, which he does, which results in this:
Dice (6) - , Hallia, Leelou, Tripped, SinisterDeath, Verbal, Zander
Leelou (1) - Clov,
Hallia (5) - AJ, Dice, VooDoo, Cory, Darthe
Initially I was thinking voodoo pushing Hallia to 4 votes over Dice was a good look. But he wasn't really suspecting Dice, so that would have been a little weird to vote there. And voodoo even says they weren't sussing Dice but was open to considering it, after wanting to make wagons just Hallia/Dice for simplicity. On the surface, there's really nothing wrong with that. I can see that coming from a newbie!towny wanting to make things less complicated. Being open to dice isn't the best look though, after saying they don't suspect them. it feels weirdly hedgy/looking for an excuse to potentially move.
But given the context of the votes, especially after Cory push Hallia ahead, I think it would have been a lot harder for voodoo to move their vote if they were teamed. I also think it would have been a little weird to vote Leelou given it was pretty clear they weren't going to be the yeet for the day and stopped being an option once Cory moved. In a world of Hallia/SD/Voodoo, reducing the wagons to Dice/Hallia is a better option than Hallia/Sinister (though arguably no one was going to yeet sinister D1, so that's probably not as big of a deal). It also would have required the three of them to vote together if voodoo moves of hallia, which is generally not ideal.
If mafia!hallia flips, SD looks worse but voodoo looks a lot better, if town!dice flips, then SD looks a little worse for being on confirmed town, hallia was voting for self-preservation, so that vote would be NAI, and voodoo not voting for someone he wasn't suspecting looks ~fine.