7 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

Thanks @TrippedOnReality! I had a lot of fun playing with you all. It was a steep learning curve, but I feel better prepared for the next game.

 

I'm glad you had fun!  Like I said, you did really well.  I thought D3 was probably your strongest day.  It takes a lot to go toe to toe with a noisy towny and walk away from it thinking they are still town.  There are vets who still struggle with that.  The fact that you correctly recognized both darthe and hallia were town and wanted to throw away the wagons and start fresh was pretty impressive, even in the face of darthe and AJ pushing for wagons between them.  Mechanical what they were suggesting would have been the correct play if there had been 3 mafia.  But that's what makes closed games fun/challenging.  There's an element of not know what roles are in the game.

I also thought you brought a lot of humor to the game which I appreciated as someone who usually takes the game probably a little too seriously.

45 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

I also apologize for angleshooting. That wasn't my intention. I legitimately thought the game was over and Sooh was torturing us! I should have PM'd Sooh (or Cass) instead of posting in this topic. I'll make sure not to do this in the future, nor let other players that talked during night phase (or dead) lead me into thinking I can do that to.

I didn't think it was your intention with your after deadline post to do anything wrong.  And you didn't necessarily angleshoot.  Other people could have angleshot by using your after deadline post to make a read on you, which was our concern.

In the future, if you have questions like that, especially after deadline, but mostly in general, contact the moderator through PMs so that those types of situations don't happen going forward. 

I do appreciate that you've learned a lot this game, and I hope you take at least some of that with you if/when you play again. 

Thank you, also huge shout out to @VooDooNutwho I thought played extremely well for his second game and I hope he keep playing.

Vote voodoo

Also, just as a heads up to everyone, I will be traveling back home tomorrow so I will be on the road for like 5-6 hours in the morning.

8 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

Idr if that was an addition later or part of the original but yeah, he did say something about that. I meant the part where he did a few multi-quotes of Sinister’s posts and at the end stated called Sinister Town. Obviously the slip call out couldn’t be possible as Darthe said but maybe there’s merit to the thought process?

Eh, I mean...maybe??? but mostly i feel Darthe's entire thought process was predicated on Hallia being mafia, so...I'm not super inclined to put a ton of stock into that.  (plus rereading D3 just made me super annoyed all over again so I might not be in the right frame of mine to reasonably evaluate that).

Bleh, rereading D3 did not make it better.

6 hours ago, whiskey delta said:

I’m not sure how to read Sinister saying he only voted the way he did because others convinced him fwiw. He’s riding that line of being a useful villa to scum or just wolfy. Darthe went out of his way to Town case him so that’s… something?

Yeah, but wasn't Darthe's town case that SD pointed out a scum slip on someone who we now know was town?  Or was there more to it than that?  I need to get dinner (I haven't eaten anything in like 10 hours, I love my job...), but I'll be back after that.

I guess it mostly depends what world we're in.  If we're in 2 maf and an SK, unless AJ is mafia, it's always voodoo/SD.  

If it's just two mafia, then I need to figure out who is most likely verbal's teammate.  Which if verbal thought he wasn't going to be around super long isn't super ideal for finding anti teams as Cory pointed out on D2, since he would have been effectively outted after the inital claim.

If it's somehow verbal/AJ then lolme I guess and we deserve to lose for how poorly this game has gone.

6 hours ago, whiskey delta said:

D2 was the chance in hindsight…

 You're not wrong.

6 hours ago, whiskey delta said:

Yeah that wasn’t a lot of fun for me either 😅

 

I don’t really have a good case on anyone of you three right now. Everyone has strikes against them. Myself included. You and SD are on two wagons together and considering there’s only two maf I think that might be anti-pair material but I’ve been so wrong all game it’s pretty laughable. Voodoo might be under the radar player this game. I can’t tell if him wanting to lynch Hallia is good or bad. Can you see Sinister/Voodoo as the team?

I don't think SD/voodoo team is impossible, and would explain a lot of the D1 play.  Also voodoo basically getting derp cleared D1 like 3 hours after SD basically did for ~similar things isn't super inspiring.  I think voodoo wanting to yeet hallia is probably NAI since she was town and he'd been pushing that most of day 1??? 

I need to get some sleep, I'll be gone most of the day tomorrow for work, but should be back in the evening.  If I have time and I have cell service, I will try to pop in during the day.

7 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Because a wolf, would 100% want someone that everyone thinks is a wolf from D1 to be at end game. It increases the wolf's odds of survival.

 

Eh, like, I get what you're saying, but that isn't usually how it works.  Usually people who play scummy get yeeted early, not late.  

55 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

@TrippedOnReality who do you want to vote?

Probably SD.  If verbal is SK and we yeet him, I don't think town can win if I did my math right.  I feel the least good about SD, but if you have a compelling case on voodoo, I could potentially go there.  I feel the best about you, so someone would have to make a pretty strong case for wolf!AJ atp.  I don't' think wolf!you sits around hemming and hawing between darthe and hallia as much as you did last phase.

7 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

But, Tripped & Delta wanting to keep me around past D1, says to me one of them must be a wolf.

Why do you think that?  Also, what makes you think I wanted to keep you around beyond just thinking at the time you were more likely than not to be town?

I had a work emergency that required me to drive two states away and I've been on the road for like 6 hours, getting caught up now.

16 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

Idk but this wouldn’t be the basis of my decision making 

Fair I guess.  I feel gross even saying it, but it was the one thing that really stuck out to me today that could potentially be pretty AI.

@whiskey delta , real talk.  Has Hallia ever self-voted as scum? 

3 minutes ago, Darthe said:

 

You're missing the solve, but still it's a good post.  The only thing I disagree with is your last sentence.  Any team with me + verb is basically insanity, so no you can't make more *reasonable* teams for me than for hally.  Confirm this with any experienced player in this game, but for that to work would require there to be no other town PRs (near impossible in that scenario), in addition to everything else.

I don't think it's super likely that you+verb is a thing.  I'm not sure why it's impossible?  Can you explain it to me like i'm 5?

I'm kind of in a dumb spot.  Based entirely on their play, I feel like darthe is more likely to be town than hallia.  I'm just having trouble making  more than one team for hallia.  

After reading the stuff with voodoo around hallia on the dice yeet, and then seeing voodoo try to get hallia yeeted again D2 right out of the gate...i just feel that's just not a very likely team.  even more so given voodoo's stance right now.  If he's teamed with hallia, i'd expect him to be going darthe over hallia here.  I just have a really hard time seeing newbie wolf!voodoo trying to bus his teammate 3 days in a row.  Like, is it possible, I guess???  But it just seems like really weird play.  Like the only scenario I can see it making any sense is if it's voodoo/hallia/darthe because they think voodoo/darthe can win without hallia, which seems like the dumbest team combo.  It makes zero sense for mafia!darthe who is basically town cleared to push a yeet on a teammate when he could have push it on literally anyone else who isn't a teammate.  Similarly, voodoo/hallia/AJ doesn't make a lot of sense because I don't think AJ, who was town reading hallia and then flips his read on her to a scum read to push her as a wagon D1 and put her at real risk is ever teamed with her.     

Which leaves me with team of hallia/SD/Verb.  Which is ~fine and works as a team, but it means verbal's claim is fake. 

I think darthe has had a decent number of interactions with everyone, so outside of Hallia, he could really be teamed with anyone.  if it's somehow Darthe/AJ +1 I'm never going to get there so gg.  I feel like AJ, more than anyone has been actually trying to sort out darthe and hallia, and I felt his big post on D2 felt genuine and I think he's been trending up ever since.  AJ says he thinks verbal is town because of how verbal handled the claim.  If that's true, I'm left with:

Darthe/Voodoo/SD

It gets a little more complicated if verbal's claim is fake since it would have to be:

Darthe/verbal/SD

Darthe/verbal/voodoo

Basically, I can make more ~reasonable teams for Darthe than for Hallia, but I feel better about Darthe based on game play.

5 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

I admit the 3p spec is premature but knowing Verb and how it lines up coincidentally does bother me but I’m a tinfoiling idiot sometimes. If Cory had full claimed or his powers were included in the flip then I could put it to rest but that’s just where I’m at. This is the process I need to go thru to solve the game and that’s all that matters to me so I don’t really care how my speculation makes me “look” as long as I think it produces results.

 

This is me. WhiskeyD

No, I get it.  I've been reading for most of the day, and I feel like i'm just chasing my tail and being dumb going through possibilities and then talking myself out of them.   

16 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

@TrippedOnReality that looks good but Hallia is the lynch pin there and if she’s town it doesn’t matter so I guess my question comes down to do you think she is scum?

 

Is there ever a scenario where Darthe and Hallia are both town? Do you agree with what Darthe is saying about her not being hammered yet as being indicative of her being scum?

Unless it's exactly verbal/SD/voodoo, I think at least one of darthe/hallia have to be mafia, or we're missing something.  I really don't think it's darthe.  I know you mentioned possibility of 3P earlier which would probably mean a two person mafia team (3 person mafia team + 3P feels pretty unbalanced in a 12er), but we don't have any real evidence of a 3P role.  There's a logical explanation for the shot on Leelou given Cory's flip, so that feels a little...idk...something, especially in a game that was advertised as "mostly vanilla" and an awful lot of KP if Cory had a shot and verbal's claim is true.

Her not being hammered could be because she's scum.  If she's town, could be because wolves couldn't coordinate, or like she said earlier, Darthe is a wolf and they're waiting on a towny to vote there.  But if it's darthe I have a hard time making a reasonable team, he's been pretty towny most of the game, (start of D2 not withstanding), so I just don't think I'm ever going to get there if it's him.   

I'm going to take a break for a bit, but I'll be back later.

I also think SD's vote looked the most suspect since he was town reading dice and scum reading hallia, but ended up voting Dice at the end.  given his gameplay so far, I could see a world where town!SD would somehow enjoy the chaos of letting it go random since that was supposedly his goal, but given the context around everything else, the vote just looks bad.