Most of the time it will yield x was visited by y no further information. Whether the shot came from wolves or the town vig is usually very obvious especially with a little research.

In that world wolves would have to shoot themselves, otherwise best return you're going to get is an outed vig, ... I'll add an unless I'm being dumb since I was being dumb last time. But I'll admit that your seeming lack of precise awareness of what town PRs are out there gives me a slight positive feeling.

With those two, it would certainly be in the play book. They don't get a full game pass for it if the other flips wolf. As I've said I do think Zander is town, but that level of back and forth with a hypothetical wolf Lenlo does not clear him the way it can clear some people.

I think my head went to tracker because it was missing the context of if the flip is wolf. Obviously if one of them flips town there is no value in watching the other. So maybe my reaction has some merit but toned down from 11 to a 2 or 3.

Wait No that's a tracker not a watcher. lol I'm bad. Sorry Verb

No. No. You're a wolf Verb I'm sorry. If we lynch one of Zander/Lenlo and the other is a wolf, in what universe would wolves ever have the other carry the kill? This is like, just baiting a PR to use their action poorly regardless of Zander/Lenlo's alignments.

RTE has been very nice in this game and I hate lynching nice people but so far his two major contributions have been Encouraging a policy lynch of a likely villager Asking the town PRs to out on D1 like lol

More reasons he is a villager lol Wolf Zander is going to be more selective in his pushes and not cast himself at odds with the entire thread, usually.

Yeah I mean Obviously all of the things you've called out today have been easy things to call out but our heads have been in the same place so much that I'm barely even glancing over my shoulder before trusting you and it's still D1 lol I dunno what the vote count is but I strongly advise against lynching Zander today. Even if I'm dead wrong, which is historically unlikely, there are two other wolves to catch.

Thoughts on Turin's summary post. Up to this point and including that post, I've never gotten the sense that he's pushing an agenda to lynch villagers. Lack of agenda vibes was what had him in my village early, and that has sustained. Wolves don't necessarily need an agenda on D1. They can sit back and let the chaos of zero information reign. But it's a good look up to this point. I do find myself at odds with him on a lot of reads. He has Lenlo pretty high and I'm mixed there. He has Verbal pretty high and Verb's the only person I've found to be just wolfy with no counterpoint up to now. He has Zander low albeit not in a damning way, and I think Zander's a villager. One of us is wrong, or maybe we're both wrong to some degree about different things, but I get the inevitable jeebees that maybe he's a wolf who's not pushing an agenda wrt who we should lynch but is trying to prop up his team mates a bit. These are conditional things and not a concern for today. We'll see where the flips lead us.

This post is the oldest play in the Werewolf book but so blatant about it that I don't know what to think lol

Just wanted to say because I'm seeing a couple of discomfort posts about the thread state yesterday, the aggro is all in good fun and can actually be pretty productive for some players in feeling each other out. Obviously it's not for everybody, and if anyone's making you feel directly uncomfortable, please by all means let them know! But I've played with Zander and Lenlo enough that I feel confident saying they weren't mad at each other, and if I get a bit scrappy with either of them down the road, the same applies.

When you accept that Zander is going to be loud and boisterous as either alignment, you have to look past it and check out his reasons. It makes sense that Zander would be sketched out by Lenlo bringing up the Dice lynch joke as a set-up (I haven't fully let go of that one either). It makes sense that Zander would then see quite a few people accusing him for things they ought to know he'd say as either alignment and, finding it irrational, assume there's an agenda in the mix. Town Zander makes sense, maybe not always in the words he's shouting but in the paths that get him there. If he's a wolf here he was heavily sussed for the wrong reasons and did a tremendous job, to his overall detriment, of replicating his town behavior in response to them. Nothing's ever locked in but I think he's very likely a villager.

I like this. I almost quoted your previous posts and pointed out that they seemed at odds with your vote. Your tone had shifted to uncertainty about him but you didn't express a change in your read. That you followed up unprompted with an unvote tells me your head was in the same place as your words.

I vaguely remember being historically bad at reading dice but I think his catch-up post top of page 22 is good.

Oh damn there are three wolves. I had it in my head all this time that there would be two because math is hard.

Let me sketch you out even more by saying I'm not remotely convinced Lenlo is a wolf yet lol Currently still trending to vote Verb when I've finished catching up.

I feel like you're really cherry picking here? Beyond that I don't think your quip really holds up to the experiences we've all had playing with very stubborn villagers before, it doesn't make much sense to me if I put it back in context? Zander had a pretty clear reason for suspecting Lenlo. Villagers are willing to work with bad reads, it sounds nice but like, the villager has to think the bad read is coming from a villager first. If Zander thinks Lenlo is a wolf then... why wouldn't he say he doesn't believe him?

It was so villagery though looooool

I've now read through page 20 and would like to welcome Zander to the town core. Unless he's exactly bussing Lenlo, which would be really funny because I went on for a while earlier about how he's unlikely to be a wolf with Lenlo.

On the contrary, a lot of people get way easier to read when they're fired up and shouting at each other. 😄

lmao

Well, no, Zander called it wolfy after the post I quoted, for what I take to be roughly the same reasons I did. Why care? Are you seriously asking why I should care about someone setting up easy lynches based on memes? After admitting just now you've done that before as a wolf? Is it normal to not care about scummy behavior/posts? It's excessively dramatic wording. It's theatrical. And while you responded to suspicion by treating it as NAI bad play, you ascribed an agenda to it at the time.

lol that feeling when Zander calls out the same thing I just did and votes Lenlo in the next post and I get hit by the dual thoughts of "Zander is finally being villagery!!!" and "Zander is a hellbusser!!!"

This is starting to feel pretty fake mate. Zander's content to this point in the thread has been lacking but do you seriously believe that out of his 100+ posts the "we should lynch Dice in his sleep lololol" one was where he took up an agenda?