Guess who's in both our lists 👀 In all seriousness, i see what your saying, and it's def a possibility. Id think though that mafia had some hand in leading or following trains on town What do you mean you see no world @DPR?? Im not letting you slank and ignore this one again, we literally discussed last night how the doc could save other people (I followed up by saying Verb and I were ideal targets, you can disagree with that aspect). The cop can be permanently nullified with the roleblocker, and killed with the strongman, and is already under suspicion, and if he is truly the cop, mafia can counterclaim cop when timely and continue to cause confusion. There's no need to kill him. And as a result, there's no 100% need for the doctor to save him. You can disagree with that analysis, but there were multiple people that agreed, and the doctor could've agreed with them or been one of them. To discount that possibility is either scummy or moronic. You and @Ithillian Turambar (only want your response for this section here, sorry for tagging you in a big wall again) have both said this, and this makes negative sense to me, and reads like scum trying to confuse town and subtly eliminate very real possible situations. 3 possibilities here 1) I'm missing something (explain it to me) 2) You're missing something (I can explain it to you) 3) You're trying to mislead town (you're scum) Let me explain what Im saying (again). This "disaster" you're implying does not exist. Dice was literally about to die. If he was mafia, and he claims cop, here are the pros/cons Pros: He lives longer since he was about to die, he gets the cop to claim on a potentially earlier timeline, and even if he gets countered and voted out he would've died if he didn't claim anyways Cons: Literally none Anyone pushing this theory is scummy in my book, and DPR especially, and Ithi to some extent, were already there. Never thought Id be side by side with DPR accusing Dice of potentially false claiming lmfao, but unfortunately Dice is untouchable, and you're not. This could even be distancing

I did not think these 2 were the assumptions personally, because they were obviously incorrect assumptions we'd already disproven at night. I thought the 2 were mafia didn't hit condemner or hider. Agreed with your post after the above assumptions until this. It is useless to argue you for now, and you're unvoteable, but you are not the next thing to confirmed town. No one has so far successfully argued against 1) If you were mafia, and about to die, you would definitely do something like claim cop as you died. No drawbacks since you were about to die anyways, lots of benefits 2) P much everyone agrees that if a real cop is there, they should not counter immediately. Instead, get some safe reads in while you're hidden, and then counter with additional information, and before the last day if we're wrong so we guarantee a chance to vote both sides. Your status is effectively in a pending state, that we'll get to later. Nope, and scummy. Whether you're real cop, or mafia, a CC would wait to CC. So order doesn't matter one way or the other. We have to flesh out the discussion when the CC comes out, and you'll be on equal terms. Just because you claimed early on the verge of death because you were about to be voted out, doesn't mean you get some boost.

As long as we're speaking openly about why there could be no death, lets also not forget the BPV the condemner has? Len was the other person to immediately assume doc, but I don't think any one person knows what happened, so I don't think any lack of knowledge is indicative, unless mafia used the strongarm and they still got no kill (they targeted the hider, and then only mafia would know what happened). If mafia used normal kill, they have no way of knowing if it was the condemner, the hider, or the person saved by the doc. And each of those roles don't know if it was their ability that saved them. Unfortunately that means my whole theory that the doc has a confirmed townie is also DOA, and until either Dice gets CCed or we can get rid of the roleblocker, the only "hard information" we can work off of is deaths and their reveals. @Darthe setup question if we can ask, would the condemner be notified if their BPV was hit and it saved them? And to clarify, the 1x BPV is an always on, one-off shield right? As opposed to a BPV you can only activate one night? Which brings me back to IE, our only hard information. Mafia would have to be pretty lucky to get IE voted out without any involvement. Dice is untouchable today barring a CC. Aside from obv i trust myself, I was forced to vote for IE to consolidate away from Dice, so it's NAI. That leaves Ithi, Key, and DPR. I think it makes more sense to hunt in this group, it's smaller, has active players with telltale signs one way or another. Of this group, I am concretely feeling DPR > Ithi > Key in scumminess. What are others feeling here (include me especially if you think my vote on Marsh WAS alignment indicative, though I disagree with that premise)? Outside this group, there's my town reads anyways (Verbal, Nyn, Turin). Ed who I think is maybe scummy but for one reason or the other he agrees with me on my big bad. Heavy is confusing/neutral and I honestly dont want to deal with evaluating him if there's easier places to search for mafia to start, and we can crack that egg later with more info. Lenlo I have a slight town read, Tigs a slight scum read, mainly based on vibes, and some arguments from Tigs that didn't sit completely right with me. But overall, yeah definitely feels murkier and less chances in this group of 7 to find what Id estimate to be 1-2 scum, and lower probability than my estimate of 1 among DPR, Ithi, Key

Ugh I admit dumb moment for me, I think I got it 😭 My basic behind is too used to playing only irl vanilla mafia for the last few years

Because it seems like DPR is working off the incorrect assumption that doc had no choice but to protect Dice as the cop claim? But we'd already agreed that's not the case because cop is nullified?

Do you get what DPR is on about, and is this something you can share with the class?

Incidentally the same I think, one was Dice's off the cuff translation of what Darthe said, which happened to be the exact same (and probably subconsciously influenced) by what Darthe actually said. But needed mod approval before essentially pasting the text from Darthe

Agreed on the outcome if I had continued posting close to night, but it was obvious before that that Dice was soft claiming something. If I was scum, and Dice was town, I think after the first sign of that, I would've silently lurked instead of trying to push for more to see if I should move off. So that I wouldn't be present for any of the shenanigans late to it. Also, if I was scum, couldn't I feasibly say you're desperation claiming and roll on in the chaos of the moment? Or claim internet connectivity or something? But my main thing is how did my actions then make me "the most likely to be scum that makes me lynched??" I agree wholeheartedly right now, but on the chance that DPR is actually town, I kinda see how this could be mafia prodding along misguided town. In sync here Now let me see if I can figure out wth DPR and Dice are talking about re: making some assumption

Also officially have to go, cya in a bit

DPR trying to fish or he just wisened up to ask for my advice? We already discussed this earlier, if Dice is cop, Dice is gonna be nullified with the roleblocker, and is already contentious, so no need to eliminate him. Mafia probably just tried a normal kill on someone like Verbal or myself, and doc saved one of us like I asked. Also though that means that the doc is kind of like our cop, now that the roleblocker is blocking the cop? Whoever the doc saved they know is not mafia, with the additional capability of knowing it's not the godfather Nope, the could do that while killing someone else. And Tigs, read what I'm saying fully, I'm not saying Im some fully cleared town. But Dice is painting something CLEARLY town aligned as scummy, and pushing a bs case on me that I am disproving in my responses. Anyone want to answer/address those?

You are posting bs reasoning that is as close to logically countered as possible, some, as mentioned in my responses, completely refuted. Even if you are town, and I have to debate on the premise you are, you are currently hurting town with your insane reasoning, and random gut feel reads that go against anything logic would say. Not to mention that it feels like an enormous OMGUS, starting from the time I put you in a group of 3 where I thought there was one scum, to the point where I voted you and even though I changed votes in the biggest concrete town action that's occurred this game, you are stuck on it. You are tunnelling, it is hurting town, and if you're really a cop, you need to snap out of it.

Kk Imma be out for awhile, but now that the obvious has been restated, DPR you can let us know if you got any more info from that, can we go back to the topic at hand? Dice I have no idea why on earth I would be on the top of my scum list and I have once again responded to your chain of thought, is that doing anything for your reasoning? Or is this a lost cause

Why lmfao, is jetfan80 likely an inexperienced man 😂 I vaguely remember a guy like that username who came here to play mafia but didn't read the books?

I am not Jetfan since Im a Niners fan haha, and edited the comment Dice. You're a Pats fan right?

Bros only experience with boobs comes from Robert Jordan's writing 😭

Switching out of game mode for a sec, sorry about the swearing, and @dicetosser1 can you take the blame like Ithi said she would if the edit isn't allowed? Have forgotten where the limits were for swearing here and gotten a coarser tongue over the years, my bad y'all

Sure truce for a second, lets let Dice double down/clarify what he's already said if you think it'll help. In the meantime, stop trying to shut down other discussion, other people are playing in this game too and multiple things can happen at once. Obvious to me the reason you don't want fruitful discussion to happen.

The info is there, and it is obvious. Lets move on to trying to make arguments about why people are town or not? And avoid trying to block discussion with childish nothing insults? Contributed nothing useful last day, and trying to double down on it today. There is real discussion to be had.

The guy with the dumbest reasoning the entire game tryna act like the adult 😭 You're just old bro

This is the opposite of what I said. I said I was going to wait it out near the train station instead of trying to get home before the deadline. Btw, idk what you're trying to get at here? I can obviously tell you're trying to soft claim but that is EXACTLY what mafia wants to do, so they can escape and not make any hard claim so they can live off vaguely. You want me to switch my vote away from anyone I think is mafia because they say *hint hint don't vote me!*?? I was ninja'd here by your claim, and was still referring to your *EDITED: bad* soft hints Not a joke, Im trying to help your play because you're making useless soft hints, and I need something concrete that you're hinting at that there's a prayer's chance that can maybe can pass by mafia's eyes if you are someone. I waited for a minute to see if Verbal would vote, and if there was anyone around on deadline that could help, YOU INCLUDED BTW. Bet you wish you'd switched now. God if you're not scum (and then the reason is obvious) the unbelievable tunnel you have here to think THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HAVING TIED TRAINS THAT POTENTIALLY KILLED YOU, THE COP, THAT COULD'VE WITHOUT A SWEAT LEFT IT LIKE THAT AND KILLED THE COP IS NOT ONLY NOT TOWN-LEANING, BUT THE GUY THAT NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED, IS NOTHING SHORT OF IDIOTIC. WAKE UP PLEASE Also you can share who you viewed but it doesn't do anything right?

Feel that, just got out of my India meetings (I'm US West Coast) a few months back. Roughhh, hope its not a common thing for you

I like the whimsy of this version more honestly lmfao, great purposeful change

God, not you too 😂 My roommate is a huge Wubby stan

Dw I can change my vote if Dice drops some juicy info, we ain't gonna get a train on you THAT fast (unfortunately).

If Dice is actually cop and got a red peek on top of what Im assuming is a successful doc save, we are rollinnn