Fully caught up, have to go!

Should I just not speak my time when others talk about him? I'm responding to people, not randomly making comments of free will. If people have bad opinions, I feel a need to correct it. Note: this is different from agree to disagree styles of play, and isolated to people making bad logical chains of thought. Then stop exaggerating it, I am literally saying it's ridiculous to turn it into a scummy action. I am completely fine with anyone saying it's non-AI Also responded above, but I am ready to lynch DPR literally asap, pending he gets a chance to say his final words and any sort of claim if he has it (if we run into cop and doc first 2 days I'm going to lose my mind, and be EXTREMELY suspicious)

Let me make it easy for you. I was egging him onto claim. I stand by what I said, someone vaguely not even soft claiming but saying "hey guys don't vote me frfr" is not even close to a reason to unvote someone. Otherwise, mafia would do that literally every single time they're about to be voted out. The reason a claim is necessary is it exposes them to lying if someone counters them, right away or later. I will admit I haven't properly addressed that this angle of finding my one sentence posting scummy isn't something that I confidently think should be town-indicative or non-AI. If this is something that you find scummy in general, then it is what it is. However, I have explained this as clearly as I can, again for reference * The longer the post I type, the more I think about it, the more I try to cram in. In a 2 minute time scramble, every wasted second can be precious. I was not trying to type 2 sentences, and then change anything up. I was typing a thought, send, typing a thought, send, typing a thought, send. I've had my data go bad when it's initially working. I was on train wifi while offboarding and then it went away. I couldn't afford to wait. * I also do not have a good internal clock, and I would not be surprised if I overestimated how much time 2 minutes is. I didn't want to accidentally spend more time on a single comment and have it come after. * I was fully in chaos mode since everything was happening so fast.

All the bold above seems to disagree with you. You suggest this is the most likely scenario, and you're good enough to add tidbits about things "making the most sense", but each post above (all those "no world" comments) contains language that states scum!Dice is the only way. Thanks for receipts

Agreed with this, Ithi has been bouncing up and down the scum side of the town <-> scum spectrum (yw @Nynaeve for changing up the name). Does anyone know if it's like DPR to make up slips when he's mafia and hope others tag along? Cuz this is time #2 after he did it to Marsh, he's getting predictable. Normalize being clear with your schedule when possible like this, appreciate it. But also, I called you out when you had posted many minutes after my post (the actual reason ended up being the color coding) Can confirm this has happened to me, but with only one quote luckily Misrep again, and so much that it's ridiculous. You were the one that was saying that any possibility that mafia didn't try to kill Dice, and doc didn't try to protect Dice was so small it was ignorable. And as a result he's almost sure to be mafia. I opposed that and said it was realistic, we have to consider more options. I've been the one more vocal about Dice, but also more open about the possibility he could be town cop and mafia and/or doc just avoided him and role blocked him. In reality, it's you that have gone as close as you can to saying Dice is scum, while Heavy and I have been more saying that we believe he's scum, but there are a lot of different possibilities. @dicetosser1 you're the person of interest here who's paid the most attention to how people talk about you, can you back me up?

How are you doubling down on this after being directly called out on Darthe explicitly explaining this in this thread?? Occam's razor is not what is the easiest solution. It's what is the most likely. If Dice was cop, he would claim cop. If Dice was mafia, he wouldn't want to die, and the best role to claim is cop, so he would claim cop. Additionally, cop would not counter claim right away, so there's no way to verify his claim. As a result, Dice claiming cop is not indicative of whether he's cop or mafia, all it tells us is its unlikely he's non-cop town. Fwiw, I think thinking all 3 of us are mafia when we've been interacting with each other so much might be biased by a scumhunting approach that looks at the content that's available, and allows mafia that are coasting or being more neutral to slide by. I would suggest looking more strongly at your dunnos, or even defaulting to a slight scum read if they're not doing much type of dunnos (or for your 3ps, they could definitely also be mafia). Lol, I can maybe see how you can think this, but let me clarify. My "battle" with DPR was not fake, I have him solidly above anyone else as a scum read, and especially solidly above any non-Dice person. I am not trying to slow down the DPR train, and in fact, if we want to get it to 5 right now and give him a chance to final defend, I would absolutely love that. It would take an absolute stunner for me to switch my vote. OMGUS

Just having Dice live one more day, and almost definitely more, would be worth it for mafia. They don't need to be greedy and also try to do fake peeks. Didn't Darthe already explain this before the post you've quoted? Too lazy to go look, but I'm pretty sure we were talking about this either in night or early day 2, how it was funny that the condemner is literally IDGAF the whole game and randomly taking pot shots at random people each night trying to get their character. ?? I think I asked for your reasoning before and don't remember getting any? Maybe that was someone else. This is the end of this page so I'm hoping I get something more coming up

This worries me. This seems like a huge misrep, but if it is why has no one else commented? Yes, from a Dice life expectancy pov, it is delaying the inevitable, but from a mafia team pov, it keeps a PR on the game for potentially at least two nights. It fishes for the cop - take for instance if I was the cop experiencing my first ever false claim with two minutes to make a decision, or indeed a whole day with no one to talk to about it? It kills a townie, it invalidates any town peeks the real cop gets so long as the GF is out there... It doesn't buy me much seems like such an understatement, not even counting all this WIFOM. It worries me as I'm getting town vibes off Dice, which in itself is slightly worrying as town Dice underpressure is not this polite in my experience. Hate it. I feel Dice is town, but I don't think he is acting it. FML. Idk how I missed this, but fully agreed. "Only buy me a day, maybe more" in itself is an obvious reason to do something with no downsides seeing as you're about to die. Not to mention it's not the only pro, fishing for the cop, using a potential night ability one more time, sowing confusion and dissent. My obsession with Dice can be read better as complete disbelief that people have such limited views of the possibilities of what's happening, which I think you agree with. My vote is on DPR, and I would definitely say I am more obsessed with voting him out. At this point, I feel more confident on him than Dice, it's not just that I want to avoid voting out the un-cced cop. I understand you're defending yourself, but I also want to see more from you scumhunting or doing town helping analysis. I'm the poster child of discussing you, but I've also been discussing my huge scum read on DPR, trying to coordinate an earlier decision making process so we don't panic and make bad decisions by EOD, working with Ithi to figure out percentage chances of what happened at night, etc. I was literally hoping he would make a claim at seeing something, because if mafia didn't strongarm him, they 1000% role blocked him (or he's mafia), and I would've insta-voted. I think Dice, if mafia, knew that too. And if cop, it makes sense he was RBed.

This is hilarious out of context when * I was the first one to put Dice in a group of 3 people I thought there were scum in, and after that Dice started coming onto me as scummy * I started to go after DPR first, and only after that he started saying I was super scummy Absolutely insane attempt to twist things around, either ignorant of the proper timeline, or scum trying to twist something around.

And I did err on the side of caution when he hard claimed. But if we err on the side of caution on soft claims that are near impossible to disprove, then scum can always soft claim if they're about to be voted out D1, and it's impossible to get scum on D1. Is this referring to talking about my data/internet issues? I would say that is INCREDIBLY important to my availability to change votes during a 2 minute rush. Or are you talking about me trying to get Dice to commit to a claim so he couldn't skate by on something vague? Please explain the context then, it blows my mind that people are viewing my activity at the EOD1 as scummy, it could not be more the opposite. And I can definitely understand people thinking that I acted "like town" to go deep undercover or something, but acting like those actions are scum indicative is ridiculous.

No, and that would be very bad if I did. But if DPR is scum, Ed could be distancing (like I mentioned with DPR and Dice), but its still a town lean on average. Just one factor overall though, and not enough to outfactor the scum lean

Dice could be scum with DPR btw, distancing is fairly common amongst teammates right? But sure, fair on Ed, and, maybe not so fair on him being nice to you 😂 jk everyone has their own gut reads, if that's it for you, for him, maybe it makes sense.

Scum lean, some coasting vibes, though he does have some low-key light contributions, and agrees with me on DPR.

Because we hate you

DPR is scum Dice is probably scum that we save for later when the real cop CCs with some juicy info, but if he actually is cop then I have giant egg on face I might be the towniest town of all time Fine, Nyn, Verbal, and Turin too Your welcome 🙌🏾

...uh what are you not missing something in?? 😅 Pls tell me its not that kinda crowd 😭😭 why am I in these vibes in my work and here So if we actually find scum Day 1, they can just vaguely soft claim and get away scot free?? This was partially due to my phone's service things, but also due to my (and Im sure others face this issue) loss of time tracking when typing up a response? Not even in mafia, just texting in general. If I stop to write a longer post, pause to think about something, continue, that can take minutes. If we're in a 2 min time scramble, and idk exactly when the day will end, I need to get things out fast, and before day ends. That works better with short comments. Discussed this with something else, the nice try comment I was ninja'd by Dice's reveal. Immediately when I saw his hard reveal, I moved away. I was saying I don't believe it with his soft claims, cuz anyone could do that. How is being available at the end of day 1, and making sure as best as possible I was available at the end of day to switch votes for a claim, which happened, and due to my availability, preventing a claimed cop from being voted out *scummy*?? If he's cop, and I was mafia, arguing my way through any number of wasn't in time excuses is SO worth getting the cop voted out d1 with no info.

Lmfaooo whoopsie-doodles, I'll bold next time

Editing the quote with their top scum reads/most likely to vote for if their top read is Dice. Seems like DPR is the favorite to vote so far, with Tigs as the runner up (and curious who their top scum reads are). Verb and myself have got a person each. Following Ithi's direction, would be nice to get a little more discussion surrounding these two if trains start leading that way, or who else you'd want to start building a case against (do not want to force a direction against these two, but want to start narrowing things down). I would prefer to never have a situation like yesterday again now that we're past Day 1, so let's move together towards a limited set of options we can focus discussion on instead of randomly going in circles? And also so that we can pivot smartly in case claims become necessary, and do claims with enough time for people to make educated choices. There's no need for us to grind down to the deadline and then panic.

I answered again in red below your blue responses

I'm in red. I feel confident in my read about you again. Vote stays on. You seem to be generically applying logic from all mafia games that may not have roles like a roleblocker to this game that does have one. Think more please, instead of overgeneralizing so you don't have to use your brain. Trust I remember some things from my time here before, and your intelligence wasn't at the top of the list. I'm not putting much faith in what you consider stupid. @DPR the top here. I'll calm down my trolling now, just got a raise and my gf's free tonight so I'm in a better mood 🙂 Let's get some productive discussion going since I agree with some of your points and I want to give you as much ability as possible to change my mind, so that if you don't, I can continue tunneling as hard as I want

Have edited the vote count to keep track unofficially of the last vote Nyn had Top scum prospects from each non-voting player, using only the last time they posted a proper reads list (I'm searching for Key in posts, so if you didn't include Key in your reads post, it's not on here). Ithi - Tigs Dice - Rand 🖤 Verb - Dice (DPR as next up since Dice is un-cced) Everyone below here has not posted an official list including Key, can we at the least get people's top scum prospects? A full list/reasoning, or at least your top scum and town reads as Nyn mentioned would be ideal. Don't want to make any assumptions for ppl. Not all of these people are inactive, some are super active, but just haven't formatted results in a way in which I found it (maybe just cuz of my Key search, pls help me since I'm too lazy to do more work than this) @Lenlo @keyholder21 @Tigraine @HeavyHalfMoonBlade @DPR Misc: Found Nyns here - can I pretty please convince you onto DPR 🥺

Also reacted to this, but forgot to respond, thanks for the clarification! My bad from not picking it up from the setup, you had it right there 🤦‍♂️

Also, def not moving my vote from @DPR until he can respond to my points (not that I definitely will if he does). The rest of the adults here have been able to take a slap in step and still play the game. I'm hoping you can learn from me/them. Until then, the only other explanation is that you're taking any and all excuses to hide between your broken logic to try and mislead town, and are unable to defend any of the logic to break it. Scumlord #1. Working from that premise, if he's refusing to admit that Dice could be town (cop or not, though I'd believe cop), Dice could be town from a successful DPR flip. Ditto for this insistence that mafia will always shoot cop, I'm suspecting mafia maybe shot elsewhere and got burned, statistically from the BPV or hider. Of course, even with a mafia DPR flip, none of the above is guaranteed and he could be trying to "double negative" trick us, or distance from Dice. But things to think about.

Thanks SD! I think I did this accidentally once or twice, the quote selection button is amazing.

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