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"I am lews therin telamon,the dragon. I ruled these lands,unified,during the age of legends.i was the leader of all the armies of light,i wore the ring of tamyrlin.i stood first among the servants,
Highest of the aes sedai,and i could summon the nine rods of dominion.i held the loyalty and fealty of all seventeen generals of dawn gates".
Interesting choice of words,like gentled ben said,i'm not sure about the one world goverment,it sounds more like a complex hierarchical structure.
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If robert jordan intended rand to be warder to each of the women,he did an extremely poor job planning it,during a two and half years of wheel of time's journey,rand,min,elayne and aviendha were in the same place at the same time twice i.e.caemlyn palace and field of merrilor, three times if we include thakan'dar valley post last battle.
To be honest,rand wasn't much of a warder lol.
Incidentally,i have no problem accepting that the 4-way bonding weave was a modified warder bond,i'm just saying that rand didn't operate like a warder at all, in fact,we learned from alanna's disastrous bonding that rand was completely out of her control.
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@mrs. Cindy gill,
"A non channeler having a warder."
I always considered the incredibly beautiful 4-way bonding between rand and his lovers as an unusual wedding ceremony, in my opinion,it's the best scene in winter heart,rand wasn't min's warder, certainly not in the traditional aes sedai warder bonding,it was something akin to an aiel adopting a new family member weave, sure,rand protected and cared for min, and she considered herself rand's first line of defence but it had nothing to do with a non channeler having a warder.
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Let me remind you that one of the aiel warrior societies is called seia doon (black eyes)...lol.
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In my opinion,veins of gold is rand's most significant triumph,the rand who went to dragonmount,and the rand who returned from that mountain are remarkably different.
Back to callandor,when rand said that callandor is just another box,he was right
Callandor was a trap,but rand wasn't referring to the taint,nor was he referring to callandor's lack of safety buffer,rand was referring to something completely different.
During rand's disastrous conversation with tam at the stone,min was reading a book called commentary on the dragon by sajius and one line drew her attention"he shall hold a blade of light in his hands,and the three shall be one".
Do you want to figure callandor out before Min?this is the place to start.
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@maedelin,
"...callandor would have been packed away with the rest of the objects that were
given to the aiel...'
no,regardless of solinda sedai true intentions concerning the mission,callandor was
simply too important for the future,the aes sedai built an entire fort to protect it.
"he seemed a grade-A jerk to me,overall."
oh come on,we don't have enough information to define lews therin,the only person
who knew lews therin intimately before the bore,before the taint,before he murdered
his own family and was still alive 3000 years later is mierin,and she said:" i can
remember when you were too soft hearted to use anyone.devious in battle,hard as
stone and arrogant as the mountains,but open and softhearted as a girl!"
"i believe in free will"
there's no free will in randland,the pattern is controlling all the decisions.
by the way,10000 da'shain aiel died at tzora,not 100000(give or take a 0).
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@dexterryu,
"it's unclear if this was a specific location or not".
I urge you to re-read rand's entire sequence of flashbacks at rhuidean,it is obvious that solinda sedai didn't have a specific location in mind"keep moving, always moving,until you find a place of safety where no one can harm you".
"But to me that's more of a cultural thing than failing the aes sedai".
The da'shain aiel's covenant i.e.serving aes sedai and following the way of the leaf was not a cultural thing,it was their raison d'etre,the covenant was everything "keep the covenant,jonai.if the da'shain aiel lose everything else,see they keep the way of the leaf.promise me.of course, aes sedai,he said shocked.the covenant was the aiel,and the aiel were the covenant".
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Mrs. Cindy gill is right,some time after the breaking of the world,the da'shain aiel were ordered by the aes sedai to carry objects of power to safety,(rand's seventh flashback at rhuidean),during the incredibly long journey to the three fold land,the da'shain aiel disintegrated from one people into three,i.e.the tuatha'an who remained nonviolent but failed in their duty to the aes sedai,the aiel,who broke the nonviolence covenant and renounced the way of the leaf for the way of the spear,and the jenn aiel,who remained true to their covenant and duty but dwindled and died at rhuidean.
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@faroresdragn,
Forget about callandor,did you finish veins of gold?
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the information in cadsuane's possession regarding callandor was incomplete,
so what she told rand was partly incorrect,cadsuane simply drew the wrong conclusions,
the only one who completely figured callandor out was min.
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setup a base at shayol ghul?who in his right mind would go
voluntarily to a base in shayol ghul?taim was able to recruit
male channelers because he was operating under the dragon
reborn's political clout(and amnesty),without it,he was a nobody,
just another false dragon.
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thanks sabio,but chaosanth is right,the wheel of time companion doesn't list
egwene's death,only the wheel of time companion preview,posted sep 9,2015,
the last entry in a long list of amyrlin seat is of course about egwene,according
to this preview egwene formally raised circa saven 22(june 1)1000NE-died
danu(november)1000NE.
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sabio,you bought the wheel of time companion,does it says
when egwene died?
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@chaosanth,
1.rand,min,naeff,lerian and heidia did spend a full day at bandar eban,rescuing it
from anarchy and starvation,towers of midnight chapter 25.(found it,june,7.)
2.a month+ street fighting at maradon makes sense.
3.mat enters the tower of ghenjei about late morning and leaves about late afternoon same day.
4.agreed.aviendha's trip to rhuidean should have been about two weeks not two months.
5.july 11.tuon signed the dragon peace,and the dragon peace was a hundred years peace treaty
not a temporary agreement.
6.july 13.after assisting elayne's forces,rand returned to the field of merrilor,not to a place near
shayol ghul.
finally learned the elayne was 5 months pregnant during the field of merrilor meeting.
by the way,it's arad doman not arad domon.
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perrin was born boring,there's no escaping it..lol.
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the lunatic is in my head
the lunatic is in my head
you raise the blade,you make the change
you re-arrange me til i'm sane
you lock the door
and throw away the key
there's someone in my head but it's not me.
dedicated to you know who...
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i agree,couladin,sevanna and the shaido were needed until dumai's wells,
the rest in my opinion is rubbish.
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sending coulading to rhuidean wouldn't have changed anything,
sevanna understood as early as alcair dal that coulading wasn't
the car'a'carn,just a stupid shaido with two dragon tattoos on his
arms,prancing like a clown and ranting about days of glory.
70 days after his fleeting moments of grandeur at alcair dal,couladin was dead,
yet it didn't stop nor deterred sevanna from continuing with her grand
plan to rule all aiel by marrying rand ha!
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your light speed is impressive,as usual...lol.
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the aiel,or at least the clan chiefs knew more than that:".....that one will come later,
the stone that never falls will fall to announce his coming.of the blood,but not raised
by the blood...."(from rand's first flashback at rhuidean).
a few hundreds aiel crossed dragonwall in search for he who comes with the dawn,
and rhuarc was the only clan chief amongst them,although clan chiefs were forbidden
to reveal what they experienced at rhuidean,rhuarc had enough information to figure
it(rand) out,and he was their(de facto) leader.
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hopper didn't fight in the last battle.
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that's right,lanfear had nothing to do with it,this loop-vision was created by padan fain,
he also did something similar in far madding.
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a short story written by brandon sanderson about demandred.
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there's also two maids at the water's edge,rand sings it during his second
meeting with tuon.
By what mechanism did Min bond Rand
in Wheel of Time Books
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@sabio,
"I never truly understood the purpose of the aiel sister bonding".
Robert jordan needed a way to include min in a 4-way bonding weave so saidar became an imperative part of an aiel's adoption ceremony,the whole adoption scene was just a precursor for the 4-way bonding scene. (winter's heart prologue).