What in the actual fluff??? Ed, you have my permission to shoot Tig. I'm still at work and just checked in to see this. I'm hot. DPR, you have a reading assignment. Tig with emphasis on Darthe SD interactions. And reads ... I'll try to finish mine in the am.

Do me a solid. Look through everyone and tell me who you thunk most likely mafia to least likely mafia. We got a day right?

Oh this is about informant. I did question that when it happened. I know in Hamilton Cass/me was a modified town cop/informant ( really messenger). It struck me odd at the time. I asked him to explain his role. It kinda made sense but I wanted to get to darthe so didn't push it. Not sure if it is a simple mistake or a true slip. I'm at work waiting to start so I'll leave early it for now. I wanna finish Darthe Day 2. See ya

No. I haven't read too much in thread as I was looking at Darthe and stuff. I will have a look but I need to get ready for work so it might be later. If everyone else could just say they saw it or not (no spoilers) I will look later. I will say if we can count on Ed shooting true we can lunch one and shoot the other to resolve.

Final vote counts. Don't like Heavy siting on the sidelines with his vote on me. The nudge at SD also pings. DPR tipping the scales (remote, yes but at that moment it was 3-3 and your vote pretty much ensured the lunch was going.to.Peace. This one SD sits out. He can't vote himself and we now know Darthe had the better role so he wasn't gonna vote Darthe. Again DPR and Heavy are.in the same place. It's uncanny. Darthe interacted with them.very similarly as well. With the lack of activity and voting we gave mafia too.much control. They could have switched to.me.and Dice probably would have followed in either alignment.

Darthe's 1-11. Note: SD right at the bottom. Willing to bus the Goon from the start. I think this aligns with the mafia plan was to bus SD on day 2. That makes me feel better about Dice. Darthe has DPR and Heavy as town. It troubles me how often DPR and Heavy are in the same place because I know only one of them can be mafia.

SD 1-11 list. With asterisks. Darthe is just outside PoE to lunch. Standard mafia tactic. That DPR and Heavy are the ones in asterisks along with the D1 lunched townie is telling imo. SD later explained that they could move drastically based on a single interaction. This in itself is crazy but it is important that we notice it allows him to suddenly "clear" or sus them which is something mafia will like to be able to do. I also don't really remember SD ever really giving DPR any sus. A bit of WIFOM but not really suspicion. Tbf, it could be the other way and an excuse to jump on Heavy if he is going down. It looks worse on DPR imo.

This is the only other one I found from my previous read through. SD is 8 of 11. Hardly a ringing endorsement. DPR, your "I had SD as town" all day just doesn't track. I listened to you when you changed tack to being cooperative into D2. We ended up getting Darthe out of that. Thanks. I still can't shake this thing though. Looking back I think you wanted to see if you could get me to back off. I did but you still haven't answered the question of how you handled SD to my satisfaction. That Darthe pushed the TWTBAW thing for SD with you is adding to my suspicion.

This is the VC bit less than 38 hours from DL This is DPR's first (I think) vote on Peace, plus some thoughts. First thing is his town core. Note that SD who he has had town all game is not there. His comments on SD are the basis of TWTBAW but to me it doesn't look like a town read. Not even really a town lean. He follows standard procedure by having Darthe in his town core though. Looking at his reasoning for voting Peace. It is pretty bad. The whole he grilled Heavy thing is rubbish. It's D1, you question the person in front of you. It's about getting opinions that they have to justify later. I'm gonna find whatever other lists DPR gave and look for SD. This is on page 20 for reference.

I was reading Darthe for info but looked at othe things happening along the way. This post by SD I think is worth looking at in depth. The first part is him replying about DPR. I asked this before but I don't think there were replies. Does this look more like TMI or more like defending a teammate? He follows up by defending? Heavy. He doesn't go as far as implying Heavy was town (although I think Heavy said he thought it did). My question is based on these statements which of DPR or Heavy is more likely SD'S teammate?? The rest is meh imo.

Thanks Dice, I'm not sure if I believe but I can see a world where you are town. Thanks Tig for the claim and the clarification a out claiming town. I had thought you were referring to me, but I'm an attention seeker so it's always about me, lol. Thanks Heavy, I don't follow your logic so much but I guess?!? DPR, I still would like to see where you documented that you had SD as town. I've been reading Darthe and got thru EoD 1. I'll be posting my thoughts shortly. My current PoE is: Heavy DPR Dice Not sure of any of them. If Eddie fake claimed vig and then shot SD, I tip my cap. If Tig slid by in the shadows I'm gonna be mad but fair enough.

I was re reading my notes and have some questions before seriously going through Darthe's posts... @DPR, can you bring up your actual read lists and show me anywhere you had SD as town? @dicetosser1, at EoD1 when you came in you said you weren't voting SD (at that time) would you go through your reasoning for having him town. @ed2funy, you shaded Darthe for his entry post about being town I think you called it a soft claim. Why you think that? @Tigraine, why in your world is saying you're town, not town behaviour. Also I need your claim. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade, Why did you think it was best to try to view me? And what was your reasoning for giving your information?

The more I think about D2 the more I doubt Dice was part of the plan. Sd not switching to Darthe in self defense seems to indicate that mafia was willing to "let it ride" believe Darthe said and sacrifice SD. Dice being Dice may have messed up the plan. OK I'm gonna check Darthe for interactions. SD might be too much to ask.

Okay, I'm gonna go in another direction. There is only one mafia left. So only one person is lying. Maybe none. Ed is lying and mafia had an extra kill N1 and he shot SD for cred. This would be added mafia power we haven't yet. DPR is lying and he either holstered or shot at me and it failed. Dice says he did nothing. Heavy would have got no result checking me. Now DPR is bold enough to take that shot and claim exactly like he did. I dunno, that's thin. Tig hasn't claimed anything still as far as I'm aware. So if she's mafia then she holstered or mafia shot at Heavy or me. Dice is lying, he got blocked. He would shoot at me from spite. Heavy is lying, he got blocked. I don't see any world where he would be checking me over Dice, or DPR. Might be biased there, lol The possibility still exists that SD had the shot and shot at me or Heavy. Which means nothing for everyone else. I don't see mafia shooting at me. Unless out of spite. I don't generally fake stuff as town. I don't see mafia shooting at Heavy. Ed or DPR should have been the target. That lends credence to DPR being truthful. Which puts it back to Dice, Heavy, or Ed. This wasn't as helpful as I hoped. I'm gonna have to read Darthe and SD. It's probably just either Dice or Heavy.

Dice, the thing with you I'm having the most trouble with is why did SD not vote Darthe? On your plus side, it Could be that they intended to let SD go and you screwed that up for them. That could make sense seeing SD was a Goon and Darthe had a role, not a good one but a role. It could be you just doing Dice things. I had a thought while getting to sleep but it's gone at the moment.

When in doubt, Nyra!!!

Ed or DPR should have been the target. That points to Dice or Heavy. The holster theory points to Tigraine or DPR. Someone shooting me points to Tig, DPR, or SD. I'm gonna go to bed. This is hurting my head.

Okay, I'm gonna write down my current thoughts, even the crazy ones about all of this. @Tigraine, has been less than active in thread but RL has exploded. Not a fan if the lack of voting. Nothing claimed. No actions listed as taken against her. @ed2funy, claimed vig. Appears to have shot SD who was mafia. Also didn't vote D2 and had a bad vote on D1 imo. @dicetosser1, claimed VT. DPR claimed to block him. I don't like his EoD voting history. Pushed some similar lines at me as SD. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade, claimed VT (became 1x informant) I'm doubting that claim. I think he slipped by insinuating I was the nk target twice. Was very weirdly pushing back about Dice being mafia during the night,.like he knew he was town. DPR Claims to have jailkeeped him, which means he could be the killer or the target. @DPR, claimed JOAT (RB,JK,DOUBLE VOTE,COP) claimed RB Dice, AND JK Heavy. Not sure I believe that. My understanding of the role is only 1 action per night. I'm not sure here. Turin, town Commuter. My problem is no ones actions confirm their claims. Nor prevent anyone else's. Tig claimed nothing so no information. Dice claimed VT but was blocked. Heavy claims a cop on me but was jailed. DPR claims both the above actions but nothing conclusive because SD was unblocked and could have been the one to submit the kill. Ed apparently shot SD. Could he have done it as mafia? It is nearly inconceivable. I don't think I was the target unless they thought I was lying. Possible. The easiest solution is that either Dice or Heavy were the killer since they would be the roled player. Only expose one person to potential RB. But DPR successfully blocked it. Secondary is whoever submitted (SD or Tig or DPR) shot at me and failed. Crazy theory is Ed shot SD for cred. Tigraine, I need your claim, even if it's VT.

I'm trying to figure out who the last.mafia is but unfortunately the NAs don't give me a clear picture. I thought it did but upon further reflection No one is cleared. Some of the permutations are outrageous and are probably easily dismissed but too many are viable.

That's not what you said. Does anyone else think that was a slip?

That's twice you have assumed that I was the nk target. How do you know that?

That is standard but a mod can select whatever they want.

How does that make it look like someone protected me? I don't think there is a Doc.

Yes. She did announce that changes for balance were made.

DPR, you really were allowed to use2 NAs in one night?