Contrary me is willing. This would be the path of balance, yes?

Apparently no one wants to vote DPR so UNVOTE VOTE SD

Because as town you listen to everything. You never know what bit of information you might get. He might have been telling the truth and had a result we could verify. Like a red peek (or maybe even a blue peek). The latter could put additional pressure on .Mafia to kill that person as the numbers get lower. Also, the real possibility exists that I could be wrong. As you remember from out first game me and Zander were not very trusting but listened and finally came to understanding. So.all the possibilities need looked at and then make the best decision you can.

Not at this time. My role is much less useful if it is out in the open. Mafia could always try to kill me and find out that way. And it isn't a bomb.

Yes. I know what jailkeep is. I didn't know what you were on about with jailbreak. On the double vote do you have to request the night before? Or can you do whenever? Tbf, all these roles would still fit in with mafia alignment in my opinion. The only exception being role cop for regular cop. That is an easy change. I dunno bro. I don't think I believe you. Rolecop RB is frequently mafia Double vote could be mafia Jailkeep in a game with vig would be viable. I would feel a bit better if you had done something. Depending on result.

This doesn't give me much confidence that you are town. In a small game like this it is not imo a good thing to wait. Also can you clarify what exactly each thing is? Is the investigation a regular cop or like a role cop? Th RB is self explanatory Double.vote I think i understand but verify that you get to vote twice in one day period. Do you have to select that the night before? What exactly is a jailbreak? I.looked in the Wiki but couldn't find it.

One, to see who is paying attention. Two because it wasn't a complete reveal and I was giving it to show the numbers I was using in my thinking. It makes a difference. If I know there are 2 town roles confirmed to me with 2 more claimed then it changes the math on the speculation. If people aren't reading then that's on them. It was spoilered for length. I know ironic as the post was very long with the rest of it. Originally I was gonna put each thought group in spoilers but forgot and didn't want to retype all of it.

And what is a jailbreak?

What did you use?

OK. Current thoughts about folks? I'm trying to stay present and not go searching stuff right now.

We can multi task. Make a case. We're still here. I'm still mostly convinced I'm right about SD and DPR but I do think the VT claim idea has some merit if every is willing and can make it happen quickly in real time. Like everyone present. Then .1.2.3 VT claims go. Everyone has like a minute. If it is dribble dribble then it has less merit as slackers will slank with purpose.

If we.lynch from the VT pool and mafia shoots into the VT pool it gets really small really fast. Like really really fast. Even.more.so.if.Ed.is.vig and he shoots into.that pool. Furthermore if there is a Doc and.he.can self.protect and.not reveal then he can stay alive indefinitely. Eds already out so most likely is they kill him tonight. Or they guess into whatever group they think best. I definitely think it should be the VTs that claim.

That is what I said. I do understand your PoV. Especially if you have a shot.

I really think if it was a strongarm they would have used it on the cop. I don't really see a multi use strongarm in this small a game. Possible but unlikely. The RB is a possibility for sure. Which is part of why I would rather have the VT claims over the role claims. The role claims make the mafia choice obvious. The VT claims only gives a pool with the vig being the current juiciest choice.

OK.ninja. lol

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade, you're in this game, what is your opinion on having everyone claim if the are vanilla, or have a role? Or even just claim mafia? Now that would be helpful. lololololol

Yes. If the vig shoots a mafia then even if the mafia kill goes thru then in the morning it would be 3-2. The .Mafia nk is not imo a given. If they get lucky today and lynch a townie then they only have 4 people to shoot at tonight. If there is a Doc then there is at worst a 25 percent chance of failing the kill. Actually slightly worse if doc accidentally protected a mafia.

If everyone else claims VT, does it make you feel better or worse about EdS claim? About mine? To me it makes the given claims more likely. By all means vet as possible but I just think the numbers make more sense that way.

That assumes a successful mafia kill. If they fail even if Ed holstered then D3 happens (if he hits it guarantees D4?)and we can lynch Mafia tomorrow with higher probability due to numbers. I think it's more important to keep townies alive than shoot.mafia. don't get.me wrong I'm all for shooting mafia but with the numbers dwindling a self protecting doc is more valuable imo than a vig that might kill townies by accident. The doc is guaranteed town. If mafia can't kill them then we have more chances to win at endgame. I'm pretty sure of this. We need to lynch mafia. Yes obviously.

I'd like your response to my previous post first. I'm thinking about it.

Yes. My logic is if too many people claim roles then there is an issue and it will need resolving. There already 3 alive people with claimed roles none of which are the doc. So if 2 more people claim town roles then we have too many roles. If more claim VT, then the claimed roles are.more likely to be real. Does that.make sense??

That first is not true because mafia only win if they get a successful kill. That is not guaranteed. Meaning my role is sometimes x-shot or odd or even night. I have access every night. Revealing will make it less useful which I think is worse for town but maybe??

I think I understand the logic of potential coaching but I know in the other games he had moments of tremendous insight when he was able to stay away from the paranoia of being sussed so I don't think it's that easy. Could he be a wolf? Yes. Is it a lock? I don't see it yet.

I am thinking about it. Right now I'm wondering if it might be best to have the VTs claim as such. Just to get the numbers straight which imo will help in determining veracity of claims. I could see mafia having a 1x strongman or something similar. Then Ed claiming gets him out of PoE because there is no vig to cc. I really wish he had shot SD because then the wagonomics from D1 are clearer. No use crying over spiled blood I guess. I can only prove my role with mafia assistance. I don't think we are going to get it tbh. Maybe. I will say this. If there is a Doc. DO NOT PROTECT ME. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

OK. I think that if the Doc can self protect they are more important than a vig. If Ed is the vig ( I'm not so sure) then he will get a shot tonight even if they kill him. He needs to kill a mafia if he shoots. The things about 1x and tomorrow track to me. Ed clearly stated he has more shots. That also tracks with my role which is sometimes limited but mine is not. Spec wise I think 4 roles is probably the max due to ranges ( I almost never expect the number to be at an extreme) and the fact that if not we've been extremely lucky that more roles haven't been offed in just collateral damage. Therefore claiming MIGHT?? be worth while. But everyone needs to be about to make it work properly imo. BTW, I still don't really trust you but I'm listening.