There might not even be a Busdriver. That could just be there, as a possibility, so we swap the wine glasses around and around and around. Pirates are the worst. I think looking at the people currently voting for Sinister atm, my money would be that Turin is the Mafia. He's being awfully nice, reasonable and helpful atm. He's also not very sketched out by the mechanics.

Nodded lol *modded

This is from all the times I have nodded him and also other games he has played. He is playing like he does as Town. He swings for those that he feels may have slighted him. He's getting better at not tipping towards nuclear, but it's still there and he's not worried about 'going off on one' if something hits a nerve. I think Mafia Heavy would have a hard time pretending to be cross. He'd be worried about drawing attention and causing a bad situation for his team. Mafia Heavy would be wanting posts checked and reassurance. Mafia Heavy I think would be quiet and less confrontational. I thought I saw that in the game where he basically RPd for a bit... but I was wrong. Plus you know... Town positive role most likely. Dice trusted him enough to bring him back. Also yeah.. the irony in you also having a Town positive role isn't lost on me, but I didn't want to tell him to shush because you might want him to keep talking. I tried in a subtle way though lol

Is this like that magic door quiz from Labyrinth? If there is a Mafia team Bus Driver, and they swapped one of their Team with a Town, then Darthe would have had to look at a Town to get the Mafia result. His thing just comes up as same or different, right? But I'm gonna use Town or Mafia for ease. If he had looked at a Mafia, would he have not got a Town result? So if Sinister is Mafia and got swapped he would show as Town. If Turin is Mafia he would show as Town. I think Bus Driver involvement would be more likely to get a Town Town... unless both of them are Mafia and they could only do a swap on one of them. And I think the Siren is likely to be a Mafia role, so they would not want to swap that one. I think Teph is/was mafia so that only leaves prob one Mafia to swap. I don't think Darthe would have chosen a target that he thought was Town. The fact that there's a Mafia in the mix at all makes me think it's likely to be a true result and at least one of them is Mafia. And I'm OK with voting any of Sinister/Turin.... but I just don't want people to let my honest case on Peace dissappear because of that. Which is why I'm still voting Peace right now.

Oh we love Nyra. Maybe she'll be a real girl one day.

Also you might not like them, but I see your spirals of doubt and suspicion as a good thing. Town Heavy is paranoid Heavy. And you had a Town positive role, in my opinion. Just remember to have confidence in your alignment and let everything else wash over you. Take note, but don't take it personally. Darthe can get a bit grubby with the way he plays and he knows it. If we die we still get to vote or talk, thanks to Darthe 1.0 being dead. I still recommend voting btw.

I am with you on some of this. I made it clear in the Night that I thought Peace was Mafia. And the timing of the Darthe claim could be opportune or just good targeting by him. Sinister was also very suspect to me so I welcome a view of him. If Darthe's action found a Mafia in Sinister or Turin then that's a good thing. If he is the Symp then none of them will be Mafia and it's a very clever role to give to the Symp. Which is why I'm not really willing to use Mechanics right now to find the Mafia and will instead use my own 'what has this player done and said in this game' method instead. I think the retired Werewolf Hunter, that they can't accidentally kill makes more sense for the Symp. Or even the Anti Doctor, but Pirates are tricky so.... I will keep my eye on the Sinister/Turin dynamic and there are more days that we can Lynch... maybe with an additional view or some kind on either of them.

11 hours and 37 minutes till End of Day 2.

I find it's best to watch people on what they actually do, rather than how they do it @HeavyHalfMoonBlade

This is where we are right now. There are 3 proper alive people not voting. Darthe, Berf and Eddie I have you as Town. You build your own core lol @peacesells you are currently voting Sinister. Please give two other people you think might be Mafia/Symp and the reasons why? *note... I've asked this maybe 3 or 4 times and he's not answered yet. @SinisterDeath you are currently voting Turin. Could you also provide names of who else you think is Mafia/symp and why? @Turin Turambar you are currently voting Sinister. Same request of you please. AND I know we all hate lists, but giving 2 names and reasons isn't too bad surely? @Darthe you got your result but you not voting yet. Have you decided what you gonna do? And can we try and maybe not be last minute on this in case more info comes to light as a result of people getting voted?

DM ate my post Ugh.

I think this too. I think it would be hilarious if the Mentalist check looked up a Mafia AND the Symp. Sinister says he's hinted at his role? I'm gonna have to read through this whole Thread and for that H8U Sinister. I think maybe another look at the End of Day 1 voting needs to be done, to see who unvoted Heavy... *cough NOT Peace* and who did unvote and who seemed comfortable voting for Teph and when they voted etc. Shame we don't got Zander and his deadly Voting Math skills.

I never like it when you say things like this. It'd a subtle way to cast Shade. Like I need coaching on how to play this game dude.

I dunno Heavy. Your post is kinda long. Also natural thought progression is good to see. I like it cos it means people aren't worried about making mistakes or being cautious. Sinister doing this still is making him more and more Town for me.

It's super late. I am back at work from tomorrow. I would like to explain my statement that Darthe gonna Darthe is not a negative thing. Everyone has their own ways of poking for info. But it's too late at night for me to help with the pokes now.

I'm not Mafia. I had the Doc parcel on Night zero and passed that to Dice. I had the Traffic Analyst on night 2 and got 9 roles used. I passed that role on. I do not currently have a parcel.

I know. We have different opinions. I've explained mine. Mine being different to yours is ok. I'm not going to interfere with whatever you are doing bit I can't give you anything else apart from why I'm doing what I'm doing. And I'm gonna trust that you ate doing what you are doing for a reason. Even if I don't understand what that reason is.

What the actual heck.

Pretty sure I already was I'm not sure why you trying to Darthe me. I am not on your list of 2.

That doesn't really matter. I'm not after that. Your opinion of me is not necessary for us to win. But I will note your thoughts on this in case you later refer to them.

If we don't go for Peace, and i think Peace is a wolf. I would vote for Turin.

I'm just seeing Peace being flakey and annoyed and trying super hard to NOT give any reads on anyone apart from voting for Sinister. But that works too. It's a depreciating tactic on Peace side cos the clock is ticking and the numbers are on Town's side.

Potato/potato Darthe gonna Darthe. Peace is Mafia. Teph was mafia Turin or Sinister are Mafia Don't ever give Ed a gun

It's a real shame Dice can't come back till Game Tomorrow. I'd love to know what he did.

Apart from he didn't answer all my questions He didn't give who he thinks who the remaining Mafia are He's not gonna antagonise me, as I already think he's Mafia and poking me back would not dissuade me of that. Why is it so hard to accept that maybe I'm just right. I changed to Teph because his vote reason on Tigs/you was awful. Teph didn't unvote till a while after you came back and then Teph went to Heavy. Teph didn't unvote when Heavy claimed he also didn't try and claim a role. Teph is confirmed Hot Potato. I don't think that was a pass along role as its not actually described as being passed along in the role list. Peace slanked onto Heavy with a very weak reason that I checked and disproved. I think the Mafia team were caught on the hop. I also think Peace won't give any alternative reads because he forgot to be consistent in early game. He thought he could just follow along with me. And now he can't. Leaning Town is as good as we can get, but I'm not gonna vote for someone who has a generally Town positive role.