That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it. Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line? Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.

Because you know there is a real CC and Doc out there. That's a complicated mess to get into on D1, imo.

Blank slot seems like null to me, so I guess I was confusing that? I guess I can kind of follow how you are using it, but I think it's a confusing way to state that you think he's null/scummy. Good to know re: wtl list.

Don't you usually argue that the most straightforward/simplest answer is usually correct, or am I misremembering that?

Sorry, my bad. Someone said lazy and I thought it was you. Re: Ed - he's not been "deep down" in your lists. Pretty sure he's been null at lowest? Yes, you did notice it but you didn't really comment other than not liking his vote. I'm not sure I follow why someone would have to think dice is scum to look at the Marsh train? Marsh is literally the only actual information we have. I can't hate on wanting to look at the other train also though for scum and non voters for 3p now that we know they are someone with an NK. Bold - I didn't say I thought it was lazy? I was asking why you had said it, which I now know was wrong. No, with his claim I don't think dice is scum. I think having a scum gambit here is a complicated thing to pull off and he's most likely the cop. But I hate how he's playing and I can't stop myself from asking why on a lot of his decisions lol.

Here for min. I wanted to get this posted and be here IRL for a bit, but I've just had a student walk in. I should have a little bit of time before my next meeting to be here providing this student doesn't need ages of help lol. - No nk is awesome. @NynaeveNyn, I'm sorry to hear about your dad! I hope he gets some good painkillers and heals fast <3. @ed2funyEddie, sending Healing vibes to your friend! -Turin's post re: clarification on roles looked hella townie to me. Would be easy as scum to just let town be confused. I also feel like I can follow what he's saying, like he is following his own train of thought making sense kind of thing. Not sure I explain that well. Although, know his me/Verb/Rand scum team is wrong lolol. And, I don't agree with the "lumping people with scum is a scummate thing". I focused on DPR for that last game and it definitely bit me in the a$$. @Turin Turambar - What's your suspicion of me specifically? I know you had a tinfoil in D1, but I thought we discussed that and I don't think you've mentioned anything since? -Eddie is still mostly just yucking it up, which is concerning to me on D2 as there is plenty to discuss. Wasn't much involved in D1 or the lynch at all, but votes DPR out of the gate today and is "10000%" willing to lynch DPR with no reasoning?? DPR, who was poking Eddie basically every time he posted yesterday and some today, but is still calling him a blank slot. Granted, I also think DPR is acting weird with his attitude changes. Scummate distancing?? @ed2funy - Literally ANYTHING to suggest how you feel about people outside of DPR? -DPR is crazya** sassy all day yesterday and tells people to "figure things out", but then today when he's getting sussed is all zen and clearing things for the record? Well, except Page 32. This is so incredibly different from last game it is sketching me out man. And I don't like how he's been treating Eddie as a blank slot rather than being sus of Ed for lack of any kind of involvement. Oh now, Eddie's 3p since someone mentioned it?? That being said, I have a little niggling worry here because I did think Marsh was scummy and I agree with his case on Marsh yesterday. I also balked at his saying dice was scum, but I sorta agree with the "hunting around him" that DPR JUST posted. -Lenlo comes in and says nothing of note again. Of all our quiet people, he gives me the most 3p vibes because he's here/involved just enough to sit as null for folks, but not really providing *anything* of note. @Lenlo - do you have any comments or reads??? -Through all the back and forth with dice and DPR, I feel like Rand makes sense. I also think his emotion and tone say frustrated town. I also think it's a good look that he is willing to admit he was wrong and then go into *detail* about how he changed his mind. I am confused about how he has Len as a town lean though? @RandA lThor - can you explain? -Maybe I'm just pocketed here, but Verb's tone and activity still look town to me since it is SO different from last game. I don't see the bad logic. @dicetosser1 - why did you not check Rand if you thought he was so scummy with his votes at EOD??? -Tigraine coming in talking about lynching the cop. @Tigraine - When would this happen, imo?? I can't remember ever lynching an un-cc'd cop. -Heavy is still clear in his language today and I liked his points about Tigraine and Rand and I think he's now asking good questions. The switch in personality is still wigging me out though. -Some of Ithi's posts today I like, but some I don't. I understand treating dice as cop, even though I don't like how he's played it and I thought she had solid points in reply to Rand. I also agree that Tigraine listing out lynches for the following days is sketchy. But, she is also weirdly treating Ed like a blank slot, just like DPR, which I don't understand. And, re: the Marsh lynch, even though I'm on it, I agree with looking at the people on the lynch because it would be pretty unlikely to NOT have mafia on it? I think Marsh was scummy yesterday and I feel like I was clear about it. @Ithillian Turambar - Why is it lazy to look at the Marsh lynch? @Nynaeve I meant Tigraine's quotes of why she thought dice was breadcrumbing when I said receipts. I also don't like the summaries, although I feel somewhat hypocritical saying that, since I'm partially doing that atm since I am short on time.

I've been interrupted like 5 times trying to get this posted. lolme on the flip, It's Hamilton all over again. Dice waiting until TWO minutes to deadline to claim is ridic. If really cop, why would you play so scummy during the day and leave it up to literally having to claim?? Like as town I REALLY don't understand this. That being said, probably not going to ever lynch an un-cc'd cop. But I hate it. In the last several pages DPR/Verb feel like they are playing really different games than they did in the last game, which makes me feel better about Verb and worse about DPR. While I don't agree with Verb's reads list, I feel it is consistent with how he's been playing all game and I like his responses to Turin and DPR. I feel like I can understand where he's coming from. DPR has been much snarkier during night, imo, than he was during day or the entire time last game, where he was town. I don't follow the logic that Verb is Condemner, because he didn't seem to be pushing a lynch on anyone? I also don't follow on Rand specifically being GF or that his EOD looked "much". Or, how the stuff EOD makes Heavy a confused townie or how it's okay about dice waiting to reveal or that Verb was tunneling Ithi yesterday. That being said, I agree that Marsh was scummy and I agree with his case yesterday and I feel like it would be cray to be so forceful out of the gate as scum. However, if anyone could do it, I feel like DPR could, so lean scum. I didn't really like Rand's first posts, but he looks good since EOD. I thought his voting made sense. He didn't really have a choice but to unvote dice and vote Marsh, imo, but I hedge more townie than scum here. I also like that he's arguing not to super clear dice, not because of the not super clearing, but because it feels like a town mindset to not just accept someone immediately as cleared town that's not cleared town and it's fairly against the grain and would feel like a big swing for scum. I can also follow his points responding to DPR and they make sense. Len sliding in and then speculating on what roles will do without providing anything else is wolfy. Ed coming in after DL to complain about other posts and that "if we don't find anything in his posts then that's on us", but not offer much of anything of his own feels on people is also wolfy af. I also did NOT get any breadcrumbing from dice? and why is Rand an "easy kill"?? Ithi moves to town lean - I like the nonchalant response to Verb, it felt like town saying whatever man, and I think it looks good that she was fine with Verb playing a different way because it would be easy as scum to agree and push someone who thinks she's scum. I also like her calling attention to the fact that people should be upset with her for being on Marsh's lynch. But, I didn't like her post about Marsh toward EOD and I don't care for her reads on Ed and Rand. Turin - Same feeling as before really. I think there is some weird logic with the votes and him thinking Verb is scum because of EOD, but ironically, this makes me think town because I think Wolf Turin would be cleaner? He was pretty sloppy with stuff last game too and he was town then, so it makes me think town. He's also back and involved, which looks good to me. Heavy seems to want people to vote him? His switching back and forth between tone/attitude still weirds me out and makes me feel like he's scum, but asking for people to vote him repeatedly seems like a new townie move. Unless he's really good at reverse psychology? So basically, idk here. Nyn is asking good questions and her reads list feels genuine in terms of why she has folks where she has them. Tigraine - Showing up and immediately saying dice was obviously breadcrumbing, duh, and very positive rand is scum based on EOD, wolfy. Although, I am a sucker for receipts so I do like that she provided receipts. Btw, ala sign up thread, my activity is going to go down over the new few days as my work schedule is packed. I'll be here as much as I can.

Dpr that pic is straight up nightmare worthy. Here for a bit and trying to catch up.

I was stating how *I* was reading him. That's different than defense. Second sentence is a straight misrep. How about you read the rest of the posts I've made?? I'm not acting like I had him as scum all along. I have said why and when I now have him as a scum lean.

@Ironeyes - didn't know I had to directly respond to you in order for your read to change? Like, I've posted a bunch of thoughts in thread in the last 15 pages. I had to go earlier and now I'm on my phone. Hit me with it and I'll respond best I can ATM. I've got a couple of minutes.

Dang it, stupid phone, hit enter too soon. @Verbal32 - I don't hate it and could be persuaded, but what's your reason?

Here for a min while the kids are occupied. @Ironeyes - So I'm scum because of something that you think happened on like page 7? What about all the other posts and interactions since then?? @dicetosser1 - Yes, I did ask for reads, but it feels weird that you had to be asked without giving them. Also, irt your feelings on Nyn, it's not that you gave it, it's that it was overexaggerated, imo. Like a gut feel is stated as a gut feel, not with five posts explaining why. Re: rand and us both having him scummy - and?? I do like your question to IE re: why is he tomorrow's lynch though. @RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever? It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better. Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Doesn't seem to be the passion in this that was there early game? What happened to whining like a B*tch?? Another weird switch of personality. @ed2funy - anything useful to add??? @Verbal32 - Snarky! But that's a good point re: having IE as mafia in both scenarios. I think her original post said something about him possibly being town, but it's weird that she wouldn't bring it back up here. I don't hate the dice vote. I could be persuaded.

I will be out for a little while, but should be able to get back on this evening.

Vote: Ironeyes

I was hoping to catch up fully before I had to leave for a meeting and classes, but no such luck. Reading through the rest here's what I've got right now. Heavy - leaning scum. felt like newbie town at first, but I can't get the switch in tone out of my head, especially when he says that he didn't switch tone? I also feel like his reads were light on decisions and mostly copying what other folks were saying in thread. IE - Scummy. Defense of heavy, then wigging out when defense was called out, and contradictions of himself in thread, and then laser focusing on me when there are other people who also pointed out his defense of Heavy??? Verb - showed up and seems to be doing work. This is vastly different from last game which makes me lean town. DPR - light early game involvement, but in the mix now. Seems to be scum hunting and looks like last game to me where he was town, so town. Lenlo - null. I like some of the questions he's asking and I think it's good that he acknowledge he wasn't here and is trying to fix that, but I also get the feeling he is just sitting back and letting the thread happen which feels like it reminiscent of way back when scum? I don't feel super strongly either way, so need more. Nyn - Town. Felt good about her all game. I think she's asking good questions and remaining up on the game. Turin - Town, but with a tinfoil re: involvement/attitude. I think he's also asking good questions and he is trying to explain himself, which, imo, he did last game as town. I still feel like his involvement/attitude is off, but I know that's colored by last game, hence tinfoil. Ithi - Feels town. Seems to be poking and prodding the thread and asking good questions, imo. dice - Scummy. I didn't hate his vote on Heavy, personally, but I don't like his posts since. He gave, it felt like LOTS of reasons for his gut read on Nyn and little else for his reads otherwise. I also don't like that he needed to be asked to provide his reads? Eddie - ???? Here somewhat, but seems to be playing rather than trying to scum hunt. I don't remember enough of his meta to know whether or not this is AI for him. Rand - Scummy, imo. Here for a sec, seemingly wigs over his joke vote to Nyn, offers a "reads" list that basically says nothing and then is gone again. Tigraine - ???? doesn't really feel like she's here and I, and I know this is going to be hypocritical lol, don't like that she's on like page 8 of her catch up when we are so close to DL.

Going to spoiler some of these big posts. Bold, okay, tone and gut read. I don't remember you spending time explaining gut and tone reads before? Saying it, yes, but going into extra explanation? This is sketch. Especially with little to no explanation on anyone else. Bold - *preens* lol. It's because I do them on desktop. I hate doing multiquotes on my phone. I hate typing anything big on my phone. I don't understand how students write their essays on their phones nowadays. [insert joke about being old here.] Italics - I don't get how these make him look town to you? I feel like they are doing the opposite to me. Yes there were issues last game, but he was also WAY involved and definitely posted helpful things. I do agree that not being afraid to get into things is a good look though. Bold - Fair. Just not something I thought new scum would do off the bat, but the switch is telling, imo. Plus I got burned by Gud last game so I feel like I was paying extra attention to seeing anything I felt was odd from a new player. Color is fine with me. Fair enough on the tinfoil. I think I addressed it earlier, but let me know. Re: The heavy discussion you quoted - was it just me you were looking for information from?? Seems like a very chill response. I know you said it's based on last game, but it is weirding me out man! And then you do things like the bold which again makes me think town Turin. @Turin Turambar - What do you think of dice's posts since? I get that you think his vote on heavy was anti-town - are you still feeling that way? First Italics - where's Verb when we need him? lol. Bold - You are contradicting yourself in this statement. He's not doing anything suspicious to you, yet if he were town he'd be more active and cheerleading? All the rest of the italics - what do these mean to you? Are these folks scum? null? Second bold - What are townie things to you? Third bold - what does this mean?? Last bold - But you're not posting the same? Go look at a post of yours from the first few pages and then a post now and tell me how those are the same? I feel like this is a calm response, which makes me want to say town, but, and I know I feel weird about it. So, I guess this makes me the one with tinfoil now? @Ithillian Turambar - This seems helpful of Turin, how do you feel about that? So you think he's trying to pocket you? Bold - what do you mean? Bold - I don't see that? I do see the gentle response of both, but not sure I feel W/W. Maybe T/W? Admittedly, this is based on my current scum read of Heavy and town read of Turin.

I was tired so I didn't think anything of this last night, but this is weird? Like, duh, I want your reads and thoughts on things in the game. Bold - why?? I dislike blanket statements like this. I always want to know why someone feels the way they do. Italics - Didn't you get after Rand for saying virtually nothing? And now you come with this, which is virtually nothing?? Second bold - Misrep, imo. How is he going all half cocked? He is acting very different than last game, which is at least mildly concerning to me, but this is not accurate. What about Ithi's poking do you like? Again with the townie questions, imo. I'm going to spoiler Ithi's big post because this is already long enough, I'm sure. Bold - How does the lie detector thing last game apply to this game? I do agree that not discounting someone based on a different style of play than you is good though. I remember reading Turin as wolfy most of the time way back in the day, but I was able to get past it last game lol. Italics - to be completely fair, the agreeing with all game thread content wasn't what dice quoted when he said town testing. Not sure what he was getting at though re: town testing because I don't see any of that in the post he quoted. That aside, I like this from Ithi because I feel like Wolf!Ithi could have easily just been quiet and let folks go after Turin. Second bold - Can we have your list now?? Going to spoiler this post of dice's too since it's long. First bold - okay, fine on your read, but no interaction with a town read is weird. Italics - So what do you think of him now? You said there's something with him and IE, but focused more on IE. Second bold - misrep, imo. He said he was voting you based on comparison of your behavior this game in comparison to your behavior last game. Last bold - what do you mean here? I feel like the more I try to catch up the more behind I am lol.

I don't hate it, but it also feels kinda weird since you didn't really discuss anyone else much? Super helpful. 😒 DL is like one day away from this post. When would be a good time for you to start real D1? How do you know the response is an exaggeration?? Imo, it depends on how the passion comes out. How about your reads list? Sus. Okay, so what are you reads now then? 😛 How about now??

Now, this looks more like town Turin to me. Wolf!Turin def has the skills to push for a lynch on IE re: this mindset, especially with all the other heat IE has been getting. So your analysis now is?? Agreed on much of this, but not sure I agree on ed or rand. Ed seems more null to me so far? I honestly can't remember much that he's done outside that fox/wolf post. Although, tbf, maybe that should be concerning to me lol. I did think that post was confusing in what he was calling Heavy, but it didn't ping me that hard. (Left that for you Verb). Why does that make him firm scum for you? Re: Rand, I find him sus. He seems nervous as hell about his joke vote and then offers a post saying basically nothing re: his reads and then bounces again. It's weird to me that you have him null. I didn't get nervous from Ithi - what makes her nervous to you? I do see town solving from her though. What's your tinfoil? Maybe I can help lol. Agreed again with most, but why are you willing to lynch someone who hasn't even shown up? Like, I get slanking is scummy, but not even been here at all?? Feels anti-town since we don't have anything to gauge the slot. I'll look for your post on DPR. My feeling is null atm. I also disagree on Rand and Ed as said above. With dice, that's fair, re: behavior last game. I felt like the joke vote was par for the course with dice, but now I didn't like a few things in his post below. First bold - this is a weird inclusion. Feels defensive. Second bold - why would her being scum make her sad about you?? I do agree with the italics about Rand's post Third bold - not interacting IS distancing?? And, imo, if you feel like someone is town, why not interact with them? Especially questions they are asking or information they are providing. last bold - I feel like this is a misrep of Turin. I don't see any town testing from him? I keep getting interrupted, stupid term papers. -.- It's taken me almost two hours to post this!

Lol, I was caught up in trying to catch up and just saw your post that you were here. Yes, see above.

@dicetosser1 - I gotta get to bed, but what are your thoughts on folks so far? Anything grab your attention??

Okay y'all, I tried to catch up but I am slow blinking here. I have some time before my meetings tomorrow, so I will def catch up and should be able to be around off and on for most of the day.

Fair on the reads. I like the poking from Ithi and Nyn too - feels like they are trying to solve the game. Dice, I feel meh on because I feel like that vote is pretty on brand for him regardless lol. I agree that IE is defending Heavy. I'm sorry to hear you are hurting from last game. These are supposed to be fun, so that sucks. LOL, I thought you didn't pay attention to it? I know Ithi was his mod, but I wanted to know why dice was able to understand that's what Heavy was saying since there were some of the rest of us who didn't get that. It doesn't appear as misrepresentation to me. More concerning, imo, is the clarity of his response to Ithi. Weird q for someone who has much experience playing, even if rusty. Seems pretty clear to me? re: 1 - But Ithi had also been poking at the thread, especially Heavy at the time, and you didn't even mention her? I already addressed the first bold in an earlier post. Second bold - lol I fight like hell no matter what. I understand what you're saying, but, imo, any townie loss is bad for town. Bold - this is a weird characterization. You hadn't even voted him??

This a joke vote, or serious? Bold - That's not the same thing. Yes, we both said he's new, but you didn't specify town and being new is NOT alignment indicative. Bold - I didn't make you do anything 😛. Thanks for quoting it though, so I didn't have to go find it lololol. My b, I missed that that's what you were responding to. Italics - I did notice the change and it is definitely interesting. Second bold - did he do this in the other two games - start off confusing and switch to easier to understand? Second italics - Fair, but FWIW I feel the opposite vibe from that? Like, why would new scum come in and just being confusing AF and draw all that attention? More concerning is the 180. I knew sustained was court slang, lol. Just wasn't sure what you meant by your response. Fair enough on dice re: reaction to Heavy and his actions toward you. Although, I don't really feel like his vote re: lynch cause you've never been lynched is really that alignment indicative for him? I do, though, think he's not been here much or not said much when he is, which I know weekend and all, but I let people slide for that last game and they ended up being scum, so it makes me itchy.

These three, especially in succession, are like night and day different to read than all previous posts which is sus. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade Why did you change your posting style all of a sudden when you were defending it earlier? First bold - ?? that's the opposite of what he said. Italics - What about a government that isn't following their own Bill of Rights? How do you feel about that? Second bold - why?? Why you so nervous? First Bold - like what? This looks like "I'm trying to look like I'm here and contributing something" Italics - what two groups? Do you mean your list above and "the rest"? Meaning, scum is somewhere...in the player list?? Second bold - again, says nothing. Second italics - less chance than what? Nyn was in no danger from your vote? This looks nervous again.