I will be out for a little while, but should be able to get back on this evening.

Vote: Ironeyes

I was hoping to catch up fully before I had to leave for a meeting and classes, but no such luck. Reading through the rest here's what I've got right now. Heavy - leaning scum. felt like newbie town at first, but I can't get the switch in tone out of my head, especially when he says that he didn't switch tone? I also feel like his reads were light on decisions and mostly copying what other folks were saying in thread. IE - Scummy. Defense of heavy, then wigging out when defense was called out, and contradictions of himself in thread, and then laser focusing on me when there are other people who also pointed out his defense of Heavy??? Verb - showed up and seems to be doing work. This is vastly different from last game which makes me lean town. DPR - light early game involvement, but in the mix now. Seems to be scum hunting and looks like last game to me where he was town, so town. Lenlo - null. I like some of the questions he's asking and I think it's good that he acknowledge he wasn't here and is trying to fix that, but I also get the feeling he is just sitting back and letting the thread happen which feels like it reminiscent of way back when scum? I don't feel super strongly either way, so need more. Nyn - Town. Felt good about her all game. I think she's asking good questions and remaining up on the game. Turin - Town, but with a tinfoil re: involvement/attitude. I think he's also asking good questions and he is trying to explain himself, which, imo, he did last game as town. I still feel like his involvement/attitude is off, but I know that's colored by last game, hence tinfoil. Ithi - Feels town. Seems to be poking and prodding the thread and asking good questions, imo. dice - Scummy. I didn't hate his vote on Heavy, personally, but I don't like his posts since. He gave, it felt like LOTS of reasons for his gut read on Nyn and little else for his reads otherwise. I also don't like that he needed to be asked to provide his reads? Eddie - ???? Here somewhat, but seems to be playing rather than trying to scum hunt. I don't remember enough of his meta to know whether or not this is AI for him. Rand - Scummy, imo. Here for a sec, seemingly wigs over his joke vote to Nyn, offers a "reads" list that basically says nothing and then is gone again. Tigraine - ???? doesn't really feel like she's here and I, and I know this is going to be hypocritical lol, don't like that she's on like page 8 of her catch up when we are so close to DL.

Going to spoiler some of these big posts. Bold, okay, tone and gut read. I don't remember you spending time explaining gut and tone reads before? Saying it, yes, but going into extra explanation? This is sketch. Especially with little to no explanation on anyone else. Bold - *preens* lol. It's because I do them on desktop. I hate doing multiquotes on my phone. I hate typing anything big on my phone. I don't understand how students write their essays on their phones nowadays. [insert joke about being old here.] Italics - I don't get how these make him look town to you? I feel like they are doing the opposite to me. Yes there were issues last game, but he was also WAY involved and definitely posted helpful things. I do agree that not being afraid to get into things is a good look though. Bold - Fair. Just not something I thought new scum would do off the bat, but the switch is telling, imo. Plus I got burned by Gud last game so I feel like I was paying extra attention to seeing anything I felt was odd from a new player. Color is fine with me. Fair enough on the tinfoil. I think I addressed it earlier, but let me know. Re: The heavy discussion you quoted - was it just me you were looking for information from?? Seems like a very chill response. I know you said it's based on last game, but it is weirding me out man! And then you do things like the bold which again makes me think town Turin. @Turin Turambar - What do you think of dice's posts since? I get that you think his vote on heavy was anti-town - are you still feeling that way? First Italics - where's Verb when we need him? lol. Bold - You are contradicting yourself in this statement. He's not doing anything suspicious to you, yet if he were town he'd be more active and cheerleading? All the rest of the italics - what do these mean to you? Are these folks scum? null? Second bold - What are townie things to you? Third bold - what does this mean?? Last bold - But you're not posting the same? Go look at a post of yours from the first few pages and then a post now and tell me how those are the same? I feel like this is a calm response, which makes me want to say town, but, and I know I feel weird about it. So, I guess this makes me the one with tinfoil now? @Ithillian Turambar - This seems helpful of Turin, how do you feel about that? So you think he's trying to pocket you? Bold - what do you mean? Bold - I don't see that? I do see the gentle response of both, but not sure I feel W/W. Maybe T/W? Admittedly, this is based on my current scum read of Heavy and town read of Turin.

I was tired so I didn't think anything of this last night, but this is weird? Like, duh, I want your reads and thoughts on things in the game. Bold - why?? I dislike blanket statements like this. I always want to know why someone feels the way they do. Italics - Didn't you get after Rand for saying virtually nothing? And now you come with this, which is virtually nothing?? Second bold - Misrep, imo. How is he going all half cocked? He is acting very different than last game, which is at least mildly concerning to me, but this is not accurate. What about Ithi's poking do you like? Again with the townie questions, imo. I'm going to spoiler Ithi's big post because this is already long enough, I'm sure. Bold - How does the lie detector thing last game apply to this game? I do agree that not discounting someone based on a different style of play than you is good though. I remember reading Turin as wolfy most of the time way back in the day, but I was able to get past it last game lol. Italics - to be completely fair, the agreeing with all game thread content wasn't what dice quoted when he said town testing. Not sure what he was getting at though re: town testing because I don't see any of that in the post he quoted. That aside, I like this from Ithi because I feel like Wolf!Ithi could have easily just been quiet and let folks go after Turin. Second bold - Can we have your list now?? Going to spoiler this post of dice's too since it's long. First bold - okay, fine on your read, but no interaction with a town read is weird. Italics - So what do you think of him now? You said there's something with him and IE, but focused more on IE. Second bold - misrep, imo. He said he was voting you based on comparison of your behavior this game in comparison to your behavior last game. Last bold - what do you mean here? I feel like the more I try to catch up the more behind I am lol.

I don't hate it, but it also feels kinda weird since you didn't really discuss anyone else much? Super helpful. 😒 DL is like one day away from this post. When would be a good time for you to start real D1? How do you know the response is an exaggeration?? Imo, it depends on how the passion comes out. How about your reads list? Sus. Okay, so what are you reads now then? 😛 How about now??

Now, this looks more like town Turin to me. Wolf!Turin def has the skills to push for a lynch on IE re: this mindset, especially with all the other heat IE has been getting. So your analysis now is?? Agreed on much of this, but not sure I agree on ed or rand. Ed seems more null to me so far? I honestly can't remember much that he's done outside that fox/wolf post. Although, tbf, maybe that should be concerning to me lol. I did think that post was confusing in what he was calling Heavy, but it didn't ping me that hard. (Left that for you Verb). Why does that make him firm scum for you? Re: Rand, I find him sus. He seems nervous as hell about his joke vote and then offers a post saying basically nothing re: his reads and then bounces again. It's weird to me that you have him null. I didn't get nervous from Ithi - what makes her nervous to you? I do see town solving from her though. What's your tinfoil? Maybe I can help lol. Agreed again with most, but why are you willing to lynch someone who hasn't even shown up? Like, I get slanking is scummy, but not even been here at all?? Feels anti-town since we don't have anything to gauge the slot. I'll look for your post on DPR. My feeling is null atm. I also disagree on Rand and Ed as said above. With dice, that's fair, re: behavior last game. I felt like the joke vote was par for the course with dice, but now I didn't like a few things in his post below. First bold - this is a weird inclusion. Feels defensive. Second bold - why would her being scum make her sad about you?? I do agree with the italics about Rand's post Third bold - not interacting IS distancing?? And, imo, if you feel like someone is town, why not interact with them? Especially questions they are asking or information they are providing. last bold - I feel like this is a misrep of Turin. I don't see any town testing from him? I keep getting interrupted, stupid term papers. -.- It's taken me almost two hours to post this!

Lol, I was caught up in trying to catch up and just saw your post that you were here. Yes, see above.

@dicetosser1 - I gotta get to bed, but what are your thoughts on folks so far? Anything grab your attention??

Okay y'all, I tried to catch up but I am slow blinking here. I have some time before my meetings tomorrow, so I will def catch up and should be able to be around off and on for most of the day.

Fair on the reads. I like the poking from Ithi and Nyn too - feels like they are trying to solve the game. Dice, I feel meh on because I feel like that vote is pretty on brand for him regardless lol. I agree that IE is defending Heavy. I'm sorry to hear you are hurting from last game. These are supposed to be fun, so that sucks. LOL, I thought you didn't pay attention to it? I know Ithi was his mod, but I wanted to know why dice was able to understand that's what Heavy was saying since there were some of the rest of us who didn't get that. It doesn't appear as misrepresentation to me. More concerning, imo, is the clarity of his response to Ithi. Weird q for someone who has much experience playing, even if rusty. Seems pretty clear to me? re: 1 - But Ithi had also been poking at the thread, especially Heavy at the time, and you didn't even mention her? I already addressed the first bold in an earlier post. Second bold - lol I fight like hell no matter what. I understand what you're saying, but, imo, any townie loss is bad for town. Bold - this is a weird characterization. You hadn't even voted him??

This a joke vote, or serious? Bold - That's not the same thing. Yes, we both said he's new, but you didn't specify town and being new is NOT alignment indicative. Bold - I didn't make you do anything 😛. Thanks for quoting it though, so I didn't have to go find it lololol. My b, I missed that that's what you were responding to. Italics - I did notice the change and it is definitely interesting. Second bold - did he do this in the other two games - start off confusing and switch to easier to understand? Second italics - Fair, but FWIW I feel the opposite vibe from that? Like, why would new scum come in and just being confusing AF and draw all that attention? More concerning is the 180. I knew sustained was court slang, lol. Just wasn't sure what you meant by your response. Fair enough on dice re: reaction to Heavy and his actions toward you. Although, I don't really feel like his vote re: lynch cause you've never been lynched is really that alignment indicative for him? I do, though, think he's not been here much or not said much when he is, which I know weekend and all, but I let people slide for that last game and they ended up being scum, so it makes me itchy.

These three, especially in succession, are like night and day different to read than all previous posts which is sus. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade Why did you change your posting style all of a sudden when you were defending it earlier? First bold - ?? that's the opposite of what he said. Italics - What about a government that isn't following their own Bill of Rights? How do you feel about that? Second bold - why?? Why you so nervous? First Bold - like what? This looks like "I'm trying to look like I'm here and contributing something" Italics - what two groups? Do you mean your list above and "the rest"? Meaning, scum is somewhere...in the player list?? Second bold - again, says nothing. Second italics - less chance than what? Nyn was in no danger from your vote? This looks nervous again.

Okay, gotta get to another family thing. I'll try to come back tonight to finish catching up.

Submitting a feels post without having to be asked for it, pro town move, although it is pretty mild on feels/reads. Bold - I laughed. Reasoning for your reads?? Also, Turin, your lack of involvement in the game so far is sketching me out. Why only dice? Seems like an odd necessity. It was in the sign up thread??

Understandable. While I like lots of things about new DM, I very much dislike that quotes within quotes has disappeared.

I don't hate it. I didn't notice before but it is weird to put mafia first when discussing alignments, imo. I don't feel like this is AI for dice?? What do you mean? More from some players for sure. What's making you unsure about dice? LOL Re: Heavy. Misrep, imo. He said "when" he isn't actively playing.

Bold - How did you know this?? Bold - what do you mean by this? Bold - Pretending is an interesting word choice. Why, out of all the discussion would you focus on DPR, and why choose pretending?? Wolfy pop-in, imo.

This inclusion of Turin seems weird, especially since Turin hasn't posted in awhile. First bold - why is being suspicious of you AI? We don't know what you are?? It would be weirder, imo, if someone didn't act suspicious of another player. Especially one, and I do not mean to be mean here, that is speaking in an over the top manner. Italics - It's better for a wolf because then they can look like they are active without having to actually do anything. How is a post saying nothing good for town?? First bold - Okay, sure, ask him I guess, but why did you also not ask other people who have played in the other games with him? Or ask Ithi, who observed him as mod in those games?? Second bold - I get that, but also, people get invested and just don't want to die lol. This is something I think I'm better at now that I'm older but I definitely got attached way back when. LOL on your first sentence. Bold - Can you see how if you are town this isn't helpful at all??? Zombie jesus; bleazy 😆. So you thinking he's a wolf or overwhelmed town? Because you are implying both??? Hey, it happened last game lolololol.

Here between family events! Lol, of course you are. Bold - What do you mean? Bold, I didn't get that at all from his posts. Reads like defense - especially since you didn't address Eddie?? I do agree that it doesn't seem to be AI though. To me Heavy reads like new town, if only because I don't see new scum doubling down on the very thing that someone has called them out for. I know when I was new scum I preferred to not get entangled with anyone if I could avoid it. This looks good - like a townie hunting, imo. Or at least not on the same team as IE lol.

Lol, re: Z posts and the size of things. Not sure I'd call 2 games vast experience though. And, imo, will change how I read you. Not that that helped me last game though, so maybe I should try to get out of that mindset lolol. 😆 re: Turin. Glad no offense was taken on the lady(sir)! I wasn't sure how to address you.

Hello everyone! Congratulations Nyn!! The lady(sir?) sure doth protest much...

The irony of you saying this 😛 ;).

Hello Marsh! @Ironeyes Welcome back!!!

We did carry one around Disneyland and Universal Studios! Hi leelou!!