I mean from your perspective you're right, but from mine.... I know I'm Town, so Mathematically lunching me = 100% hitting town, and Random.org has a ~23-30% chance of hitting a wolf or symp? Lunching me 100% < 70% Random.org Lunching Town. "Statistically" the odds are... well, identical. Whether you follow a train or random.org. The difference is random.org isn't being manipulated by wolves. 😛 Now... do I suggest we just let it go to random.org instead of lunching someone as town? Probably not. The dice gods can be unforgiving bastards, and... DPR's rolling them. But also, I don't think it's in Towns best interest to lunch me.

That already exists, it's called "The Sword of Truth"

@Turin Turambar @Ithillian Turambar take a look at the above post and see if I’m over reading it for a slip plz? I immeadiately blinked but then made the mistake of thinking. Just to confirm. Is this Heavy's big slip? To clarify, in Darthe's original Post he had BERF and Heavy as his original Wolves, and Leelou, Teph and Peace as one of the others. Considering that I thought that Darthe may have been killed because his list was too accurate, I didn't read Heavy's post as a wolf slip because I was reading that within the greater context of the conversation of what I believe was a rebuttal of the idea that Darthe could or could not have been killed because his "list" was accurate. @dicetosser1 I do find it interesting that you didn't sweat the person with the most votes saying.. trust the dice, after what happened last game. 😛 @Turin Turambar I'm well aware of the time left. How about we let Heavy stew a bit?

Oh damn. I almost sent you a PM Last night to check in on her to, but opted to wait 'till later today. Get better Tigs!

Tbf, I was sketched out, by Darthe not mentioning me at all. Like he went through all that trouble addressing everyone, and then purposely? Left me off that list. Lol Like how much PTSD did I give him last game? Damn. Hey @dicetosser1, what would happen if I say... Trust the dice?

Non alignment indicating Pretty sure this has been covered before.

I'll get to these in a minute. You know, none of you have ever stopped to think... Maybe that's just how my mind works? Some of you think inside the box, others think outside the box, and I'm over here saying, where's a bloody box? But sure... I'll try to give it my "best" with the above people I asked Heavy to give me his thoughts on. Peace - Up to similar high strung antics as last game. Almost too similar. Seems to be holding a grudge from last game. OMGUS energy. Teph - Feels different, can't place the reason why. Gud - Gud laying the foundation of getting on my "good side" during N0, felt sus. Berf - I honestly don't have much to work with to really say. Wondering what Darthe saw that said "Wolf". Leelou - She gave me a few soft "defenses" here and there, with more then enough wiggle room to back track if. I'd say is probably NAI, and is just something an experienced Mafia player would do. So... Null. If you want me to say "this person is definitely wolf, or this person is definitely town". I can't do that, not won't. I can't. I. Do. Not. Have. Enough. Information.

No worries. I wasn't meaning it as any sort of insult towards ya. Hell, I still think Peace is holding a grudge against me from last game. lol

Completely NAI? Eh? It'll come into play later I think. But that's also the WIFOM for ya. Are they doing X, Y reasons or Z reasons? Do I know they're doing it, or do I want to believe they're doing it for the reason I think they're doing it for? I can say that Peace was distancing until I'm blue in the face, but only Peace knows if Peace was distancing. Until we catch someone in a bold face lie, like someone did a few games ago with (Ed... lol) Or a huge screw up that'll get you put on a spit, we can sit here and fabricate fairy tales about each other all day. I'm... really hoping some of the slankiest slankers start contributing, because I might just join Teph on his crusade if they don't. Part of me feels it in my bones that the Wolves are just laughing at us all as Town devours ourselves.

I wasn't interesting in rehashing that tired crap from last game. It was more the point that I'm looking at it from Peace's POV, that in the scenario that Leelou and Heavy are in fact wolves, "coaching" in this sense literally involves wolves chatting and saying "hey say this to sound town, and then I'll say this". Got it?

Geee, I'm glad that's all you took out of my entire post. Thanks though.

@Ithillian Turambar @HeavyHalfMoonBlade What are you thoughts on Peace, Teph, Gud, Berf and Leelou?

Well lets see. In a world that Town!Heavy exists, Wolf!Peace, might for instance, attempt to create a narrative that Town! or Wolf!Leelou was coaching Newbie Heavy on that Post, so that Leelou could swoop in and say "good job Heavy! You gained town cred for that!". Peace definitely saw my follow up post 3 minutes later and choose to ignore that when they made that post regarding the Heavy/Leelou coaching post, so I damn well know they were going to attempt to use that later in the game as some sort of justification that one, both, or all 3 of us must be wolves. I saw their post as genuine Distancing Post from either You or Leelou... But it could just as easily be a false flag. A common tactic I employed last game, was making you all think I was allies with people I wasn't. I would purposely seed these random lines into my conversations where I'd distance myself from one person, or defend someone else, just to make you all think I was allied or not allied with someone else. Is this Gud distancing from Peace now?

Yeppers. I'm thinking that's what got Darthe killed. Everything else is just working in their favor as they slank and town eats themselves alive.

Here's the thing. Those details RJ got wrong about certain stuff regarding horses. Your average "director" or "AI Prompter" isn't going to know jack about that. So how would they know to fix that? We're talking about a level of pedantry that you'll only see in "horse circles", just like you'll see a certain level of "pedantry" from historians and certain reenactors regarding battle scenes in GOT, or LOTR. Same goes for your ultra LOTR nerds who get real big mad about things that were wrong about the movies. 😉

More the timing of it like Peace mentioned, but also slightly annoyed that Leelou said it first. E.g. Lets say you two are wolves, and you did plan it. How beautiful would it be that Town!SD said something similar just after? lol

And those that played with me a decade+ ago, would likely remember that I've played exactly the same whether I was scum or town. I'm not lying when I say I'm a lightning rod. I don't think I've ever made it to D3. As far as the Slankers go? Well, we'll see how much slanking they do when it comes to Hammer time. That said, I believe Darthe claimed there was a Wolf between you, Leelou and who else? Teph? Now say Darthe was correct about Heavy. This could be a Wolf!Peace employing text book Distancing between Leelou, and Heavy? Right? Or this could be Town!Peace. I equally found it strange that Leelou posted this. Which is what you referenced without quoting. But I'm sure you'll bring up this, which I posted about 3 minutes after Leelou. So, I'm sure Town!Peace or Wolf!Peace will surely latch onto that as proof I must be a wolf because surely I must be a wolf, and those two must be wolves with me, because that interaction was weird. Meanwhile, you get to skate away free and clear with your text book distancing from Leelou and Heavy. Kind of like how some of us spend actual time out of our day posting actual words during N0, and whether you like those posts or not, the the only response you get from that posts felt like a bunch of lazy GIF responses. Whether they are a "real" response to the post or not, was irrelevant to me. Calling those posts "spam" isn't obtuse. It's a matter of... If you don't want your posts to be called spam, maybe post content that has some actual word count to them with some actual words beyond just a gif. What I can't believe, is that some of you are still holding a grudge over gif posts being called spam for this bloody long. Get over it. Holy crap... When it comes to usable content right now, most of its bloody spam. How many bloody slankers? I tried to move the game forward by getting people to give me some of their early reads, and only one of you (Peace) actually did so. Darthe was killed before he could. Ithi's attacking me every chance she' gets. I'm just digging my own grave with every word, as per normal whenever I play Mafia. (Town, pay attention to all the non-voters and the people who hammer, it's likely all the information you're going to get this game) At this point, I'm just babbling... That said. Who here do we think is most likely to have caught Darthe's slip? I only just caught it last night by accident.

Art is inherently political... theoretically if you dive deep enough there's political stuff in WoT if you want to look for it. I'm not entirely sure what RJ was saying politically, cause I'm not sure even he knew. lol. But I agree on this. If anything, I feel that if there's any residual "politics" in the show, that comes from the "Design by Committee" via Amazon, rather than Rafe himself. I think people put way to much focus on the "show runner" being the "show runner" as if that means everything in the show is his responsibility. People literally don't understand that when it comes to Streaming networks... If Amazon says... Change Perrin to a Bear Brother.. Rafe would have had to have done that. And they almost did do that! But Rafe and Sara stood their ground! (Timeline wise, I can only hope that they hadn't already cast Marcus when they had suggested that! Cause holy crap, the optics of that were really bad!)

"It's a skill"... Mmmhmm. So, what you've basically described is just a shift in how movies are made, and replacing actors and writers with AI, but you're effectively "keeping" Directors and CGI people behind closed doors. You know the problem with "AI Prompters" being a skill, is that they have a very narrow focus on what "words" they know. Take costuming for example. I guarantee you, that your "average" "AI Prompter" isn't going to be able to tell the difference between the various types of wardrobe used in the books, how they look, how they're supposed to look, what they're used for, what they're designed out of, what type of fabric, the cut, stitching, or any of that stuff. Details, that may well matter. Those AI prompters are also not likely to know about various details about horses that RJ absolutely got wrong.

You know what's also a great cultural cue? Clothes. 😛 Something RJ talked about ad nauseum.

Let me put it this way. Photoshop has a tool to remove objects from the background. That tool, is actually AI in disguise. In the 3d world, there's AI Tools in disguise to help streamline processes. In the programming world, there's AI tools in disguise. A lot of "processes" we take for granted, like all of those "AR Filters" people use and abuse on TikTok or Instagram reels? That's all AI. Yet, when it comes to something like "movies", I don't believe we're going to take a "backseat" and just let "AI" do the work for us. You still need and want people to curate that art, or you get a hot pile of garbage. I also have a massive distrust for these corporations that are pining over AI, literally stealing Art, and other copyrighted Material by the boat load and getting away with it. Meanwhile, what's the penalty if Metallica catches you on Limewire?

Remember how earlier in the thread I said you were giving me not acting like Heavy vibes? Now you're giving me the pro-town Heavy vibes with this post. I like this.

It's AI garbage from Suno.

You say that, as if the "3 laws of robotics" isn't a well established principle in Sci-fi for a reason. LLMS are only as good as the data they're trained on, right? You can either feed it specifically curated content, or you can program it to self censor itself. Do you recall when Deepseek came out, and what happened when you asked it certain political questions about China? As long as corporations fear that they can get sued for what the harm their products can do, they're going to place restrictions on it. Let that sink in.

You misunderstand. Corporations are risk adverse. They will do everything in their power to avoid getting sued. Those laws on CP? Those likely aren't going away anytime soon. So those AI will have safeguards in place to prevent something even close to that accidentally happening. (That's when you get into the rule of unintended consequences) On the "Revenge Porn" and other type laws, you also have people who use it to create Deep Fakes of Politicians, Celebrities, to "endorse" products or other things. The person who created said endorsement could get sued, and when they are subpoenaed, it's likely the lawyers will discover the software they've used, and that could lead to another lawsuit. So it's not about "these laws exist" it's about "avoiding getting sued". But also, there's a whole thing recently about how all state laws dealing with AI are null and void for 10 years... so it's all good... right? Now you're likely dealing with corporate espionage. I'm just saying that given what I've seen with AI. If that ever happens. 1) That'll be copyright & trademark infringement for any tom dick and harry that does it on their own. 2) Any "studio" that attempts to do it, even if it's all "curated" AI, it'll never be "everyone's" perfect vision of the series. The character's won't "look" the same in "your head" as they do in someone else's. That's just a fact. They won't "sound" the same in your head, as they do in someone else's. That's just reality. Then you hit into the "Adaptation" problem. There are a huge gaps in dialogue in the book that don't work like a screen play on TV. There aren't "exit stage left" descriptions in the book. It's going to have to make up a lot of "dialogue" to fill the silence. And man... you know what? If Tom Generates the movie, and Dick generates the movie, and Harry Generates the movie... They're all going to be different movies!