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WoT If...the ALL CAPS Voice Is Really...?


Mashiara Sedai

Welcome back to another edition of "WoT If?". As promised last week, we're going to take a closer look at who the ALL CAPS voice is at the end of The Eye of the World and what exactly its message means.

 

Spoiler warning! This will include content from many books in the series, including Towers of Midnight, and speculation about A Memory of Light. Please read at your own risk.

 

Let's start with a look at the quote we'll be examining. Here's just a quick reminder of what's been going on up to this point. Rand and Aginor both tried to draw the Power of the Eye. Aginor, I'd assume, was consumed by the Eye, or perhaps drew too much of the One Power. Either way, Rand took the Power, and Traveled to Tarwin's Gap where Lord Agelmar's men were fighting the assembled Trollocs, Fades, and Draghkar. Rand lashed out at the Shadowspawn with the Power from the Eye. Then:

 

The Eye of the World

Chapter 51, "Against the Shadow"

 

The wind died. The screams died. The earth was still. Dust and smoke swirled back down the pass to surround him.

 

“The Light blind you, Ba'alzamon! This has to end!”

 

IT IS NOT HERE.

 

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

 

I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.

 

“Where?” He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. “Where?”

 

The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear, clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murk that obscured the sun.

 

NOT HERE.

 

Through the mist, as from the far end of the earth, came a cry. “The Light wills it!” The ground rumbled with the thunder of hooves as the forces of humankind launched their last charge.

 

What the words mean depends on who is speaking. So, let's start with the obvious choice: the Creator.

 

Many assume it's the Creator because of the similarity to the ALL CAPS way the Dark One talks to the Forsaken. If one Deity speaks that way, it's safe to assume the other half does as well. After all, the Wheel of Time world is based on balance. So, what else makes us think it's the Creator?

 

First, Rand is filled with Light and Power, which we associate with the Creator, because he is Light. Also, we know that the Dragon Reborn is the Light's Champion (Lord of Chaos, Chapter 6, "Threads Woven of Shadow"), so we know the Creator is on his side.

 

But, we have a quote from Robert Jordan talking about the contact between Rand and the Creator:

 

Robert Jordan: Rand has no direct connection with the Creator. The Creator is completely removed from the world; aside from...creating...the Pattern, he does nothing else whatsoever to influence anything.

 

From the sounds of this, the ALL CAPS voice can't possibly be the Creator. But in another interview, the subject comes up again with a kind of different answer:

 

Paul Ward: Possible question: Is the Dark One pure True Power? Why does the Creator ignore Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of The Eye of the World?

 

Robert Jordan: No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand.

 

Is this second statement contradictory? Well, even if the Creator can't influence Randland, it doesn't necessarily mean he's not interested.

 

Let's assume for a moment that it is the Creator. What the heck does it all mean? The first thing the voice says is, "It is not here." Before that line, Rand says, "This has to end!"; "this" meaning the war between himself and Ba'alzamon, between the Light and the Shadow. So the "it" refers to the same thing, by the laws of English grammar. The voice is telling him the fight won't take place here. That's logical because the next thing that happens is Rand climbing a set of stairs (similar to his Skimming experience chasing Asmodean in The Shadow Rising, Chapter 58, "The Traps of Rhuidean"), which take him to Ba'alzamon.

 

Next, "I will take no part." This coincides with what Robert Jordan said about the Creator taking no active role. "Only the chosen one can do what must be done, if he wills." The chosen one is Rand; what must be done is fighting the Shadow (maybe even Tarmon Gai'don). The "if he wills" is interesting because that seems to be a major theme within the series. There are times when Rand wants to leave or do something different, but feels like the pattern forces him. Tam points out to him that he still has a choice:

 

The Gathering Storm

Chapter 47, "The One He Lost"

 

"I'm going to die at the end of this," Rand said. "And I have no choice."

 

Tam stood up straight, frowning. In an instant, Rand felt that he was twelve years old again. "I won't have talk like that," Tam said. "Even if you're the Dragon Reborn, I won't listen to it. You always have a choice. Maybe you can't pick where you are forced to go, but you still have a choice."

 

The voice of the Creator, too, seems to imply Rand has a choice.

 

Who else could the voice be? Well, since the only other place we see ALL CAPS is from the Dark One, is it possible that it's the Dark One?

 

I know, I know. Why would the Dark One talk to Rand at all? Also, it might not even be possible because Rand's not close enough to the Bore. However, Robert Jordan said Rand and the Creator had no connection, so it might be possible.

 

If it was the Dark One, what does it mean? Rand's declaration of "This has to end!" can be answered by the Dark One in much the same way. "It is not here," means the battle between the Dark One's Champion and Rand cannot happen here and now. "I will take no part" might be true for the Dark One as well. The Bore into his prison is quite small, to my understanding. Even if the seals all break, he can't just leap out—or else he would have done so during the War of the Shadow. He could only influence small events, and that's mostly because of his ability to communicate with the Forsaken one-on-one. When the seals fail, he still might not be able to take part, leaving his Nae'blis, Moridin, to battle as his Champion. Again, in a world based on balance, it seems likely that it will come down to a fight between the two Champions.

 

And what of "Only the chosen one…"? It never says which chosen one. It could just as easily be talking about Ishamael—who claimed to be the Champion in past Ages.

 

There are a few points against this theory. First, Rand's not filled with ecstasy as the voice talks to him. In every scene we see of the Forsaken talking to the Dark One, they are overcome with the pleasure of his voice. That's completely missing from this description. Also, motivation. Why would the Dark One want to talk to Rand at all?

 

Besides the obvious two, who else could the voice possibly be? Well, what about Lews Therin, or some other past life of Rand's? The Soul of the Dragon, if you will. This one might seem a bit of a stretch, but it could work.

 

Let's focus on the phrase, "Only the chosen one…". If this was a stream of consciousness—from the Power of the Eye—between Rand and his past/future lives, the chosen one could refer to Rand himself. Why was it Rand, not Lews Therin, or any previous incarnation, who was spun out to fight the Last Battle? Why was it so important for it to be Rand in this situation? We get pretty strong implications that every detail of Rand's life helped shape him into who and what he needs to be to win. It had to be Rand, not Lews Therin. Here's why:

 

Towers of Midnight

Chapter 51, "A Testing"

 

"But you're him [Lews Therin], too. You talk like you were the one who tried to seal the Bore. Like you knew the Forsaken personally."

 

Rand rode in silence for a time. "I suppose I am him. But Min, what you're missing is this: I may be him now, but he was always me as well. I was always him. I'm not going to change just because I remember—I was the same. I'm me. And I always have been me."

 

"Lews Therin was mad."

 

"At the end," Rand said. "And yes, he made mistakes. I made mistakes. I grew arrogant, desperate. But there's a difference this time. A great one."

 

"What difference?"

 

He smiled. "This time, I was raised better."

 

Min found herself smiling as well.

 

"You know me, Min. Well, I promise you, I feel more like myself now than I have in months. I feel more like myself than I ever did as Lews Therin, if that makes any kind of sense. It's because of Tam, because of the people around me. You, Perrin, Nynaeve, Mat, Aviendha, Elayne, Moiraine. He tried very hard to break me. I think if I'd been the same as I was so long ago, he would have succeeded."

 

So, out of all the previous/future lives of the Dragon, Rand is the Chosen One. He had to be this version of the Dragon in order to win the Last Battle. It's a combination of Rand and the people around him that will be able to defeat the Dark One during Tarmon Gai'don.

 

The phrase "I will take no part" makes sense too. Because it can't be Lews Therin, or the next Dragon, it can only be Rand himself. However, if it was the Dragon's Soul talking, why is it in ALL CAPS? When Lews Therin begins to appear in Rand's mind, he doesn't talk in ALL CAPS. Perhaps it's just the Power of the Eye broadcasting the Dragon's Soul's message loud and clear?

 

Okay, there's one other option I thought of in terms of the voice. I'm sure there's more, and I hope they'll get posted in the comments section. My last idea is that the voice could be a recorded message from the Aes Sedai who made the Eye.

 

We see only a little bit of detail about the making of the Eye in The Shadow Rising, when Rand goes through the Glass Columns in Rhuidean.

 

The Shadow Rising

Chapter 26, "The Dedicated"

 

Half a dozen Aes Sedai stood around the long table, arguing, apparently not noticing when the building trembled. They were all women.

 

He shivered, wondering if men would ever stand in a meeting such as this again. When he saw what was on the table, the shiver became a shudder. A crystal sword—perhaps an object of the Power, perhaps only an ornament; he had no way of telling—held down the Dragon banner of Lews Therin Kinslayer, spread out like a tablecloth and spilling onto the floor. His heart clenched. What was that doing here? Why had it not been destroyed, and memory of the cursed man as well?

 

“What good is your Foretelling,” Oselle was almost shouting, “if you cannot tell us when?” Her long black hair swayed as she shook with anger. “The world rests on this! The future! The Wheel itself!”

 

Dark eyed Deindre faced her with a more usual calm. “I am not the Creator. I can only tell you what I Foretell.”

 

“Peace, sisters.” Solinda was the calmest of them all, her old-fashioned streith gown only a pale blue mist. The sun-red hair falling to her waist was nearly the color of his own. His greatfather had served her as a young man, but she looked younger than he; she was Aes Sedai. “The time for contention among ourselves is past. Jaric and Haindar will both be here by tomorrow.”

 

“Which means we cannot afford mistakes, Solinda.”

 

“We must know...”

 

“Is there any chance of... ?”

 

 

“Can we trust Kodam and his fellows, Solinda?”

 

“We must, Oselle. They are young and inexperienced, but barely touched by the taint, and... And we have no choice.”

 

From this, we see that the Aes Sedai—all women—have Callandor and the Dragon's Banner. Because they have those items, I'm assuming they have the Horn of Valere, as well. Which means they are the ones planning on making the Eye. The later quote shows that they are including men in the circle to clean the bit of saidin inside the Eye.

 

With these Aes Sedai gathering, giving up their life force to cleanse the Eye, is it possible they left behind a message? I think so. The "I will take no part" phrase is very accurate; the voice is there to give a message, a hint, not do anything active with the Power. They would also know "it is not here" because the Eye was given to the Green Man, which is close to the Bore, but not right next to it. "Only the chosen one…" makes sense too. They knew, by Foretelling, that Rand would be born and would need those items.

 

The only counter I can argue is that the voice refers to itself as "I" not "we." Perhaps the group of Aes Sedai picked one member to leave the message, though.

 

Hopefully, the question of who the ALL CAPS voice is will be answered in A Memory of Light. I think there's still a few random tidbits to theorize about in regards to the conclusion of The Eye of the World. So, next week, we'll have a third—and final—installment focusing on the Eye.




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I have a separate theory. I believe it IS the creator. The Creator needs Rand to destroy the wheel because he can't. The only way to end the cycle. The Wheel can't be destroyed there and it can't be destroyed by the creator. The Chosen one is the only one that can make that choice. End the cycle and the DO and Possibly the Creator. Free man kind from it's enslavement to the cycle of events. Creator can't destroy itself so Rand has to make that choice.

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So, the Creator does want to "slay the Eye of the World" and kill time? If that's the case, the Dark One wants the same thing. Are they working together?

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Don't think so. Doesn't fit with Rand's epiphany about everybody getting second chances. And what's more: good and evil working together? Where's the balance in that? ;)

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There's one detail you missed. In The Eye of the World the voice is ITALICIZED, but in Lord of Chaos when the Dark One speaks its voice is simply ALL CAPS. I always took that as more evidence that in EotW it was not the same voice, but the other deity, the Creator.

 

Also, I assumed the reason the Forsaken felt ecstasy (as well as pain) at being spoken to by the Dark One wasn't because its voice was inherently nice to listen to, but because they were sworn to the Shadow and worship evil, its voice has that effect. Maybe Light-sided people would just feel agonized at having that voice in their skull.

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There's one detail you missed. In The Eye of the World the voice is ITALICIZED, but in Lord of Chaos when the Dark One speaks its voice is simply ALL CAPS. I always took that as more evidence that in EotW it was not the same voice, but the other deity, the Creator.

 

Also, I assumed the reason the Forsaken felt ecstasy (as well as pain) at being spoken to by the Dark One wasn't because its voice was inherently nice to listen to, but because they were sworn to the Shadow and worship evil, its voice has that effect. Maybe Light-sided people would just feel agonized at having that voice in their skull.

I agree.

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I really don't think that Rand's (or the Creator's) goal is to break the Wheel, especially not after Rand's epiphany. Seems to me that what Rand finally figured out in Veins of Gold is that love is what makes the Wheel a good thing, worth preserving and protecting.

 

I really like the idea that the Aes Sedai who made the eye could have left a direct message for the next Dragon. I don't think that is the case, mainly because of the use of pronouns that Mashiara pointed out ("I" vs. "WE"), but it would have been an EXTREMELY cool turn if the story had gone that way.

 

And I don't think it was the Dark One, because of "I WILL TAKE NO PART." The DO most certainly WANTS to take part, but can only influence and suggest to others. As we've seen, the DO's ability to get others to do his bidding is quite formidable, and hardly constitutes "nothing." He most certainly IS taking part, even if indirectly.

 

Lews Therin? Maybe. I can't remember if any other characters mention that they heard the same voice Rand did. If they did hear it, then it couldn't be Lews Therin. Only Rand hears LTT. No one else ever has. Feels wrong, though.

 

I think it has to be the Creator. My biggest question is: "What is the 'IT' the voice referred to?" I suggest that "IT" was Callandor. Every prophecy and foreshadowing we've seen indicates that Rand MUST have Callandor with him at the Last Battle. Perhaps that's what the Creator was looking for. And maybe the Creator will take no part... until the very end of the Last Battle, which would be signified by the presence of the Dragon in the Blight WITH Callandoor. Of course, all of this is total speculation. There's no way to know the true answer until January.

 

On a side-note: Why couldn't Sammael or Aginor/Osan'gar be resurrected again? Neither was killed with balefire? We know that the DO refuses to bring back Asmodean, but he has brought back Aginor, Balthamel, Lanfear, and Ishamael. All of these except Balthamel are among the most powerful of the Forsaken. Sammael would be worth bringing back, if you think like the DO. So either the D.O. is unwilling to, or is unable to. In either case, my question is the same: WHY? Why is the DO unwilling? Why is he unable? Something to do with Mashadar, maybe? That's the only reason I can think of for not bringing back Sammael, but it hasn't really ever been explicitly stated anywhere. And Aginor is an even bigger mystery. He died for the 2nd time during the cleansing, but Aginor was one of the most powerful channelers who ever lived, nearly as powerful as Lews Therin. This close to the end, if you were the Dark One, wouldn't you want that asset on your team? Anyway, just ramblin'...

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I've been chewed up one side and down the other side of my arse over this before, but I'm throwing it out there again. I think it was the Creator, and it has the feel of the ending of a stand alone novel. I always got the impression it was something that should have been edited out as the series progressed, but never was. With the info we have up to this point, Ishy very well could have been the DO, and this very well could have been "mankind's last charge". The ending of TGH has a similar TAR tie in, but its lost in TDR (although the battle is still fought in TAR). The first three books end as if they were the end of the series, and the whole flow and pacing seems to alter once the series picks up steam with the readers (TSR and beyond). My standing theory is that these were obsolete endings that nobody ever managed to remove and/or revise after the fact. would love to be proven wrong in the end, though :)

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I personally believe that the DO doesn't care to bring Aginor back. There may be a cost of some sort for the DO and he may only be able to resurrect people so many times (perhaps because of his limited connection with the world). Perhaps he's failed one time too many and he's not worth the trouble.

 

As for the voice, I don't think it makes sense for it to be any but the creator. But whatever it is, I hope it is resolved in AMOL and not left as a loose end.

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Err, why do you think the sword is Callandor? The Rhuidean quote is:

 

"A crystal sword—perhaps an object of the Power, perhaps only an ornament; he had no way of telling"

 

Rand knew Callandor by the time he was in Rhuidean, there would be no confusion over this - he would recognize the sword that is not a sword.

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Mashiara Sedai

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There's one detail you missed. In The Eye of the World the voice is ITALICIZED, but in Lord of Chaos when the Dark One speaks its voice is simply ALL CAPS. I always took that as more evidence that in EotW it was not the same voice, but the other deity, the Creator.

 

Also, I assumed the reason the Forsaken felt ecstasy (as well as pain) at being spoken to by the Dark One wasn't because its voice was inherently nice to listen to, but because they were sworn to the Shadow and worship evil, its voice has that effect. Maybe Light-sided people would just feel agonized at having that voice in their skull.

 

You are absolutely right! I can't believe I left off the italics! From that, I would gather the thought is coming from inside Rand. Italics in a novel mean the words are internal thoughts. That would lead me to believe it's Lews Therin, or some other form of the Dragon's Soul, or that the Creator is INSIDE Rand and speaks through him...

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Err, why do you think the sword is Callandor? The Rhuidean quote is:

 

"A crystal sword—perhaps an object of the Power, perhaps only an ornament; he had no way of telling"

 

Rand knew Callandor by the time he was in Rhuidean, there would be no confusion over this - he would recognize the sword that is not a sword.

 

He's only viewing the scene through the eyes of Jonai, his ancestor. Rand would recognize it, but the Aielman wouldn't.

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Tenchi, on , said:

 

Err, why do you think the sword is Callandor? The Rhuidean quote is:

 

"A crystal sword—perhaps an object of the Power, perhaps only an ornament; he had no way of telling"

 

Rand knew Callandor by the time he was in Rhuidean, there would be no confusion over this - he would recognize the sword that is not a sword.

 

He's only viewing the scene through the eyes of Jonai, his ancestor. Rand would recognize it, but the Aielman wouldn't.

 

Ah, good catch. I had forgotten that detail. Danke.

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fernandan, on , said:

 

There's one detail you missed. In The Eye of the World the voice is ITALICIZED, but in Lord of Chaos when the Dark One speaks its voice is simply ALL CAPS. I always took that as more evidence that in EotW it was not the same voice, but the other deity, the Creator.

 

Also, I assumed the reason the Forsaken felt ecstasy (as well as pain) at being spoken to by the Dark One wasn't because its voice was inherently nice to listen to, but because they were sworn to the Shadow and worship evil, its voice has that effect. Maybe Light-sided people would just feel agonized at having that voice in their skull.

 

You are absolutely right! I can't believe I left off the italics! From that, I would gather the thought is coming from inside Rand. Italics in a novel mean the words are internal thoughts. That would lead me to believe it's Lews Therin, or some other form of the Dragon's Soul, or that the Creator is INSIDE Rand and speaks through him...

 

Yeah, that would indicate the link between Rand and the Creator, established by the Eye and renewed in VoG... Very interesting.

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On a side-note: Why couldn't Sammael or Aginor/Osan'gar be resurrected again? Neither was killed with balefire? We know that the DO refuses to bring back Asmodean, but he has brought back Aginor, Balthamel, Lanfear, and Ishamael. All of these except Balthamel are among the most powerful of the Forsaken. Sammael would be worth bringing back, if you think like the DO. So either the D.O. is unwilling to, or is unable to. In either case, my question is the same: WHY? Why is the DO unwilling? Why is he unable? Something to do with Mashadar, maybe? That's the only reason I can think of for not bringing back Sammael, but it hasn't really ever been explicitly stated anywhere. And Aginor is an even bigger mystery. He died for the 2nd time during the cleansing, but Aginor was one of the most powerful channelers who ever lived, nearly as powerful as Lews Therin. This close to the end, if you were the Dark One, wouldn't you want that asset on your team? Anyway, just ramblin'...

 

 

Sammael probably went mad from the touch of the mist in Aridhol before dying. Even the DO doesn't need a madman at this point.

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one point against it being a 'recorded message from AoL AS', is that it seems more of a conversation, when he says Where, it responds again with 'not here' and the like. it doesn't seem as likely that it is simply a recorded message.

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Snowball may be right TOR had no way of knowing it would sell when it started,so they may have had it written to vaguely look like an ending in case it had to be 86'ed right there.

I don't think it was the Dark One speaking, perhaps it was a sane Lews Therin referring to Callandor and Rand.My real question is what was the foretelling that the ancient Aes Sedai had that made them sacrifice themselves to create a large pool of untainted saidin. Why was it so vital that Rand's first real touch of the source be clean. If it was just to stop a large Trolloc attack, The Dragon should have been reborn at the start of the Trolloc Wars.

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The prophecies of the Dragon were nothing more than a compilation of different foretellings. In this scene they had the banner and Callandor, I can only assume if was a chunk of the prophesies.

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Maybe IT IS NOT HERE just means that the last battle will take place not there in Tarwin's Gap, that the bore was not there, so therefore he (I still think its LTT) will not participate in this battle. Let's face it, it's going to take some Age of Legends type knowledge for Rand and whoever helps him to seal the bore.

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Lews Therin makes sense. After the epiphany and accepting Lews Therin's--and all his past lives--memories, Rand's mind seems free from madness. That connection also gave him so much knowledge from the Age of Legends and beyond.

 

But I also think Snowball could be right. This series has gone on for 22 years. It's understandable that plots have shifted from what was originally planned.

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I'm glad snowball put forth that suggestion. When I first started reading the series (about 15 years ago) I was initially confused when the Ba'alzamon of TEOTW turned out to NOT be the Dark One, as the context of that book seems to indicate that he is the main bad guy. The name "heart of the dark" sounds pretty encompassing, for example - the heart being what gives "life" to the body, so the heart of the dark would seem to indicate its "source" - I know this translation comes from trollocs, and as Ishamael created trollocs they could have it wrong (he is their source after all), but that always to me felt like an idea that was amended later to weave the earlier error into the now larger story. It's not a critique, per-se, but understandable given the scope of the books and what they became. The story grew larger than it was conceived of originally, and I think most of us are glad it did. But this may have created "vestigial" elements that had to be ignored or explained in a different way to continue the tale - the voice in caps at the end of TEOTW has a little of that feel.

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Since Jordan said he wrote the beginning and end together I hope that everything is a signifigant part of the story and it all comes together brilliantly in the end. So I'll stay with my theory that the caps can be taken as literal,but also that Jordan and TOR hedged a bit against failure. I think by the end of TGH they knew they had made greatness. My throat still tightens when I read the end of that volume.

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The forward of The Gathering Storm says, "Mr. Jordan did write this ending himself before he passed away, and I have read it. And it is fantastic." Brandon Sanderson is also a fan of the series, and I'd say he's a good judge about the conclusion. If he thinks it's "fantastic," then I bet we will all agree.

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Ba'alzamon could not have been the DO, no matter how the series progressed.(stand-alone or series) Rand had an "umbilical cord" of light, Ba'alzamon had an "umbilical cord" of dark,connecting him to the DO, which Rand severed. We saw a similar one attatched to Asmodean in TGH when Rand was chasing him in the skimmers. Rand cut Asmodean's when he captured him for a teacher.

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Except that wasn't in the Great Hunt, it was in the Shadow Rising. At which point the taint filters had been explained away. Rand kills Ishy by severing the cord in the end of TEOTW, with no mention of what it is.

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I agree that the caps were a depiction of the Creator's words and that this served as a stop-gap in case this ended up being a stand-alone novel. It is entirely inconsistent with the rest of the series.

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