[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[Andrej]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Goes back to the patient/psychologist argument irt Darthe's play. He sold out too hard on that read and his lecturing tone is over the top. From where I stand tone and gut are no longer valid reasons to be Town reading someone as confidently as he is and Marsh himself hasn't done anything notable in this game to have such a high read. This guy is scum.

[Andrej]

On that note though let's discuss that read. You say you've known Marsh the longest. That's cool. When was the last time you've seen him as scum? Can you even describe what his scum game is/would look like?

 

To me it looks like you're really hoping to pocket him to vote with you this phase and you over sold that one a bit too hard.

[Andrej]

Maybe Bop was right with the Level 1 read for Darthe to be scum. Hallia went out of her way to point out why Darthe looked good compared to others when it wasn't really necessary.

[Andrej]

Darthe scum flip here probably makes it more likely Marsh is Town imo. I cant see Darthe going so far to prop up a teammate who isn't really in trouble with such weak reasons just because. He wants Marsh's vote in his corner for this phase and next.

 

After Darthe it comes down to Dice/Nini. I'd go Nini first just for the fact Dice voted Hallia and Nini had the opportunity but never did. Nini's content as a whole looks better than Dice's though so still sort of a toss up.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

AJ (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Dice (1): Eldrick

 

Darthe (1): AJ

 

Not voting (3): Ironeyes, Niniel, Verbal

 

EOD4 in: 

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:03 PM, Darthe said:

  On 1/26/2017 at 10:45 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

  On 1/26/2017 at 5:14 PM, Darthe said:

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:54 AM, Darthe said:

Off train im led straight to nin, doubly so if eldricks a wolf. If he flips town (he wont, but just say he does), verbs outted by proxy and prob mrs clov with him, though one could argue for dice fitting in, despite whats definitely a stronger early game than wolf dice usually has.

Verb prob should have died today.

Explain your thinking there please.

So after I flip town if you guys lynch me it's in writing.

Im not a wolf and I dont see both wolves jumping on a lylo bandwagon considering this game, so I looked at the off train players, knew that I was town, and im aware that I vastly think you more likely to be a wolf than the others on wagon. Your inverse links to verb where youve wanted interaction and pressure and have tossed out lines like that "lynch me tomorrow" one say that you're using verb, and he seems to be taking that slow, so id bet youre never on a team with him. Moreover, dice has disappeared and mrs clov has been clean by and large. I dont quite know how they fit, but I know that AJ doesnt unless you or nin are wolves because again, I am looking with the assumption that we have one wolf on and one off.

That leaves marsh as the odd man out, but ive not quite made it there yet and I think my aj read still needs fleshed out.

Ok. Gonna try to tackle this. I wanted more information from you on your think of "if I flip town, it's verb by proxy, and mrsclov as well" you threw dice's name onto that list as well, but not with very much conviction.

That you are even showing signs that you're wrong about me is a really good sign. In our last game together to stuck to your scum read of me all game and wouldn't budge or reconsider for anything.

I agree that it's very likely that there's one scum on train and one off. I'm not the one on, but this post needs to be remembered later. It's a really good one.

Now then, to be more precise in my question, once I flip town, why does that condemn verb and mrsclov?

 

Post flip obviously im at least partly wrong, but what I was seeing was her ignoring verb a bit as he did this push that didnt read to me as intended to succeed. I think verb-you not being w/wis pretty well started across the thread but if it is verb or you right now I think I need to reassess other players before committing to even those read.

 

 

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  On 1/27/2017 at 5:05 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 10:53 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

AJ and Darthe are both right.

Darthe hasn't been involved in any of the lynches. D2 despite having an acceptable reason (happy belated birthday) doesn't change the fact he was inactive. half the game was though, so /shrug.

He hasn't provided as much game solve as several other players. His presence overall is much lower than expected, even if you don't count the D2 gap. AJ's points are very valid.

But the list Darthe gave of the things he's done this game is also on point. When he's here, he's contributing. It's not just background input.

 

This is true and actually isnt fencesitting, it just looks like you dont have a dog in the argument.

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:08 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

with that in mind, going for darthe or marsh today for a 2/3 chance of hitting the right team.

 

Aaand you're back on my bad side.

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:09 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:36 AM, Andrej said:

I don't think it's Verb.

I think there's a decent chance of scum being within Marsh/Nini. Both have been stuck on Verb for two Days and both stayed off the Hallia wagon.

I don't like how Dice has been soft sussing me all game. It's been happening since D1 with his "AJ should read me better" line to "I can't read him as well as I used to" to "he doesn't have the same bite I expect" from this past Night. You can either read or you can't bro, pick one.

Darthe could be scum too. His alignment sort of hinges on yours tbh but this fight feels Hackers-esq where he wants you dead and badly.

 

When you give a dog a bone he chews it. Im still covering everything, and this misrep is growing beyond thin from you.

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:16 PM, Darthe said:

From the last three pages im on aj/eldrick as the wolf team. Aj has saved his ass all game and now they suddenly are mimicking a read on me. The top of 84 is super disingenuous

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:17 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:47 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 11:04 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:36 AM, Andrej said:

I don't think it's Verb.

I think there's a decent chance of scum being within Marsh/Nini. Both have been stuck on Verb for two Days and both stayed off the Hallia wagon.

I don't like how Dice has been soft sussing me all game. It's been happening since D1 with his "AJ should read me better" line to "I can't read him as well as I used to" to "he doesn't have the same bite I expect" from this past Night. You can either read or you can't bro, pick one.

Darthe could be scum too. His alignment sort of hinges on yours tbh but this fight feels Hackers-esq where he wants you dead and badly.

ive been pretty open about it but if you want a hard sus?voteAJ

Youre a wolf

 

Lol [v] aj [/v] this really is it. Thats beautifully overextended =)

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:19 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 3:43 PM, Verbal32 said:

I did not town read AJ - as a matter of fact, we seem to have passed each other in that he's feeling better about me as time goes on and I'm becoming more and more nervous about him.

That said, I'm not ready to lynch him right now. I think I'd prefer Marsh. This whole "ignoring me" thing is a scum ploy to show engagement and the lack of another's, and it is pure BS.

I'm open to discussion, though. I don't think I want to lynch AJ or Eldrick today, but I'd be willing to discuss anybody else, with a preference for Marsh.

 

The only two you dont want to lynch are the two both pushing for my head (ask them for factual reasons btw, that should be a good read). You're voting with them or against them, that should be obvious.

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:32 PM, Darthe said:

No story to change. Youve said my only focus is eldrick and that im on the sidelines. Neither are true. I missed a day, and ive had a strong target, but I also was here all the other days and did a lot of work.

You dont have anything real on me except that you dont have suspects, and you cant back off the eldrick read after Youre this committed.

My play makes sense, and my progress is plastered through this thread. What about you? Dice didnt matter to you until recently and once he did he did what dice does and defended himself. AJ isnt some scrub, he knows what makes a townie dice, and theres the misplay. You killed your cover last night, backed the easiest mislynch from your PoE today, then botched an easy read with some reactive bs and now you are mad.

Ergo, I see pretty clearly wolf AJ right now.

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:34 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:29 PM, Andrej said:

Your "covering everything" is really just sowing division. You are throwing out every possible angle you can to maintain a suspicion on as many remaining slots as possible.

A hard line needs to be drawn in the sand.

There's people you do or don't want to lynch as this point. No wiggle room. Commit to something

 

You mean commit to something you want to see. Im pretty damn committed to my reads, have been for days, but you flame or blow offf them every chance you get scum.

Marsh town

Verb town

Nin town

Dice slight town

Eldrick wolf

Aj wolf

  

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:40 PM, Darthe said:

You may want to case me before I'm free today. See you in six hours.

  

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:13 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 8:59 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I don't really have a great reason to be suasing darthe right now. My reason for him being scum boils down to statistical probablity, and such results are assuming dice is town.

You're gonna need to pick one and stick with it.  This is tilting as all hell to deal with three times a day.

  

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:14 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 7:41 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 5:08 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

with that in mind, going for darthe or marsh today for a 2/3 chance of hitting the right team.

Aaand you're back on my bad side.

 

That's how it goes. I listed the 3 setups that make the most sense. You and Marsh show up in 2 of the 3. You two are mathematically more likely to be scum.

If I pulled three things out of my ass I could make something more statistically likely too, that's all you've done.

  

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:14 AM, Darthe said:

watch,

 

eldrick/aj

 

eldrick/marsh

 

verb/eldrick

 

 

eldrick statistically confirmed wolf guiz

 

 

  

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:15 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 7:44 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Darthe's continued avoidance 9f talking about how verb would be scum if I'm town is really starting to make me think they are scum together.

I don't get what you mean.  I've explained that incessently.  You're two more stupid things away from me ignoring you this round, use them well.

 

 

Post before the spoiler was the first post all game that made me feel good about you for your actions directly. It was such a stark contrast to what you did in the Hackers game, that I pursued it to see if it would help me town read you.

 

In the Hackers game, you stuck to your scum read tunnel of me. You wouldn't even show consideration that I might be town. That was the biggest thing from that game that made me figure out you were scum. Not the tunnel. Not the twisting my words. That you refused to even reconsider your read on me.

 

This post showed to me that you were at least thinking about the scenario of me being town after my flip. You said that if I flipped town, that Verb and MrsClov were scum. I wanted to know your mindset there. Why Verb would be scum if I'm town.

 

I have quoted everything you said between that post and your response to my pointing out that you havent answered (in spoiler). You have yet to explain why you think verb would be scum if I'm town. If you are town, you should want to explain your thought process there.

[Andrej]

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:46 AM, dicetosser1 said:

thanks for that darthe.

Are you gonna be a blockhead and keep your vote on me or are you really just scum?

 

Idk how you can read that post and not get creeped out.

[Eldrick4221]

And the fact that you not only didn't, but tried to brush it off by saying you did is really bad. So is saying that you will ignore me if I "say two more stupid things". The things I'm saying are either to try to figure you out or to explain to my fellow townies why I'm sussing you. You threatening to ignore me doesn't bother me in the slightest. All it says is you don't want me to figure you out. And that will result in me reading you as scum.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:49 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 2:46 AM, dicetosser1 said:

thanks for that darthe.

Are you gonna be a blockhead and keep your vote on me or are you really just scum?

Idk how you can read that post and not get creeped out.

I think it's a you problem, AJ. I appreciated the post too.

 

If darthe is scum, it's not for explaining his read on Marsh. He was asked for the explanation and delivered. And the explanation is a really good one. I followed and understood every bit about it. Marsh is probably town.

[Andrej]

That post is about as generic as it gets, but each his own.

[Andrej]

The main wickets: Townies are open. Townies are relaxed. Marsh displays these qualities.

 

Congrats.

[Andrej]

Marsh doesn't warrant a Town read in his own regard. He has a poor voting record and a low thread presence.

 

Darthe overstepped the line selling that read because I don't think anyone playing with an uninformed perspective feels that way about Marsh based on the play he's shown this game.

[Niniel]

I don´t like this. All of my earlier town reads are the only ones being voted right now. It´s not that I have thought that I would be correct on all of my reads but right now I would love if at least one of Verb, Eld or Marsh would be mafia. Do you get what I mean?

 

I´m still not home but I will read back from when I posted last time and see if I can find your reasons for voting each other. I have read it but only a bit here and there.

[Eldrick4221]

Also think it's worth noting that Darthe got on my case with my statisitcal probabilities, but marsh didn't.

 

And they weren't just pulled out of my butt.

 

  On 1/27/2017 at 2:26 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

maybe darthe and marsh

maybe dice and marsh

maybe darthe and verb

those are the likely scum teams running through my head right now. dont think its aj or nini. really dont think its marsh/verb. havent really given much thought to dice/verb or darthe/dice

Thoughts at time of this post:

 

Likely town

AJ, Nini

 

Potential scum

Darthe, dice, Marsh, Verb

 

Combinations:

Darthe/dice

Darthe/Marsh

Darthe/Verb

dice/Marsh

dice/Verb

Marsh/Verb

 

Marsh/Verb is very unlikely. Dice was only considered because of eod and that "Marsh convinced him to change", so dice/Verb and dice/Darthe weren't considered either. I only saw it as "dice is scum becuase they both are"

[Andrej]

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:58 AM, Andrej said:

The main wickets: Townies are open. Townies are relaxed. Marsh displays these qualities.

 

Congrats.

To further these extremely generic reasons - what is the comparison to Marsh as scum?

 

What is the baseline?

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:10 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:58 AM, Andrej said:

The main wickets: Townies are open. Townies are relaxed. Marsh displays these qualities.

Congrats.

To further these extremely generic reasons - what is the comparison to Marsh as scum?

What is the baseline?

Generic reasons aren't bad ones if they work, but you're right about needing the baseline too.

[Andrej]

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:08 AM, Niniel said:

I don´t like this. All of my earlier town reads are the only ones being voted right now. It´s not that I have thought that I would be correct on all of my reads but right now I would love if at least one of Verb, Eld or Marsh would be mafia. Do you get what I mean?

 

I´m still not home but I will read back from when I posted last time and see if I can find your reasons for voting each other. I have read it but only a bit here and there.

Looking forward to your input.

[Andrej]

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:10 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:58 AM, Andrej said:

The main wickets: Townies are open. Townies are relaxed. Marsh displays these qualities.

Congrats.

To further these extremely generic reasons - what is the comparison to Marsh as scum?

What is the baseline?

Generic reasons aren't bad ones if they work, but you're right about needing the baseline too.

They're fine for D1 reads.

 

Darthe claims to not remember games from months ago. If Marsh hasn't been scum since his return Darthe remembers his playstyle specifically from years ago? I call bull.

[Eldrick4221]

Hm. That's a good point.

[Eldrick4221]

FYI, if you end up being scum this game, I will policy vote you if you try to OP like this game again.

[Andrej]

I'm not scum. TBH I've just been hoping I don't look like a total dumbarse when this game is over for not lighting you on fire despite so many urges to.

 

I know that I have a lot of townie blood on my hands. All I can really say in my defense is that at least I've been in the fight and working for it. I know I've been wrong, I don't need to be told. I made bad decisions in clutch moments and I'm not going to make excuses for that. I screwed up but I've been here and fighting for it where I could've easily let the game go on auto pilot after my D1. There was no need to kick up the Nolder wagon D2. There was no need to kick up the Lenlo wagon D3. I could've let Verb get lynched D2. I could've let you or Verb get lynched D3. Without drawing any sort of negative attention my way. But I didn't and I went with who I thought was best at that moment under duress and I was wrong. Both times. No excuses, it is what it is but no one can say I haven't been impacting this game from the get go for better or worse while others drop reads and go.

[Andrej]

That's also why I am just shutting off the voice in my head whenever I read your posts. I don't think you'd be putting yourself out there constantly throughout the game if you were scum. You're jumpy and sometimes you chase what I think are bad leads but you're out there and you're doing it and have been since D1. I'm not gonna knock that sort of play.

[Niniel]

Okay, I don´t have my old notes here but here are the notes I have from when I posted during the night. Copied from Word doc. 

 

 

 

#1587 Eld want to lynch Verb since he has been almost lynched, even if he is town, mafia could try to set up a lynch on him = clearing up the situation 

#1588 AJ agrees with Verb about Dice – haven´t done anything, hides as mafia

#1593 AJ agrees with Verb – hard to read Nini + don´t like Darthe´s overall play, after lynch reaction, associated reads

#1596 Eld – Nini is null/town

#1598 AJ – won´t vote MrsClove, Verb (changed D3), Eld (emo), rest = poe

#1601 Eld – Dice can´t be mafia because of changing votes??? (Explains in #1615)

#1604 Verb asks me a question!!!!

#1611 Eld starting to thinfoil on Dice. Possible Dice/Marsh.

#1621 Darthe – one mafia on the lynch/one off, Verb/Eld not on a team, MrsClov is town,

#1625 MrsClov – possible couples

#1640 Dice – Eld is wolf, AJ bugging him,

#1647 Eld – Darthe´s post is good

#1648 Eld about Darthe´s activity – both AJ and Darthe are right

#1649 Sooh – MrsClov is dead

#1653 Eld – thinks Bop died because of mafia reads on Verb, Marsh and Lenlo

#1656 Eld – going for Darthe or Marsh today

#1658  AJ – Verb is town, Marsh/Nini wasn´t on Hallia, don´t like Dice sussing AJ, Darthe scummy

#1662 Eld – vote Darthe

#1665 Eld – unvote (AJ said he wanted to hear from everyone first)

#1666 Eld – paranoid thinfoil – AJ and Verb, AJ been involved in both mislynches and both are good scum, both townreading each other

#1667 AJ to Eld – Verb has not townread him

#1670 Eld to AJ – looked it up, was wrong about Verb

#1672 Dice vote AJ

#1676 Verb – want to vote Marsh, don´t want to lynch Eld or AJ (but has started to feel worse about AJ)

#1682 Darthe suspects Eld because Eld wants to vote him

#1684 Darthe – Eld + AJ – both have changed their minds about him recently

#1685 Darthe vote AJ

#1690 Darthe list: Town is Marsh, Verb, Nin, Possible town: Dice, mafia = AJ and Eld

#1703 Eld vote Darthe

#1708 Eld: Dice moved from Eld to Len but now changes back

#1710 Eld vote Dice

#1722 Darthe explains why Marsh is town

#1726 AJ vote Darthe – went overboard with Marsh explanation

#1739 Eld – Likely town = AJ and Nini, rest potential mafia

 

I don´t know if you get them but here is what I have found, searching for people´s reads.

 

I will answer Verbal´s question and then I will get back to these notes. 

[Niniel]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:00 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:18 PM, Verbal32 said:

Darthe looking better on his re-entry into the thread.  AJ not revisiting his reads yet is concerning.  MrsClov at least mentioning it is nice, though.

 

 

 

I would really like to see where Tina is on this.

 

I don´t know. Maybe I need to re-think everything. Lenlo turned up town and I had him at the bottom of my list with you. You have been almost lynched twice now but gotten away. And it´s hard to understand what that means. If you are mafia then there is only one more and all of the rest that avoids your train is town. 

 

 

Just fyi, I will be gone all day tomorrow (listening to upcoming authors, yay!) so I will probably not be here at all. 

 

 

What are you trying to say here?

 

 

What I meant was that we can´t get any information about it since there is only one more mafia, if you are two. Did I explain myself better?

[Niniel]

Notable on my list above is that Marsh haven´t been here. Did he say that he would be away.

 

I want to pick one thing that I truly believe in so that I can go from there. Right now I´m thinking that is Dice vote on Hallia. I don´t get that vote if they are mafia together. 

 

I can´t say that I have a town read on Verb but I will have to look elsewhere today. It doesn´t seems like he will be lynched and even if he is mafia, there is another one as well. 

 

Looking at the notes above, I want to vote Eld. His back and forth doesn´t give me a good feeling. He has been throwing out reads (and votes) all game and then he changes his mind after others have posted (=following others). 

 

During the night he wanted to lynch Verb to clear things but when day started he never voted Verb. He said that Dice couldn´t be mafia but then he started to thinfoil on him, He thinks Bop died because of his mafia reads, which were Verb, Lenlo and Marsh. He liked Darthe´s post but then he says Darthe and Marsh are his wtl. He votes Darthe, then unvotes. Thinfoils on AJ and Verb. He votes Darthe again. Then votes Dice.

 

In short: it seems like he is trying to see what sticks. 

 

Unlike AJ, I don´t care about his emo selfvote.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]