[Advanced] Lost Mafia--Game Over!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

Hahahaha. You guys lynched DPR?

 

That is so embarrassing.

You think there's scum among the dirty 5?

Well AJ is obv scum. I thought Bop was one of his most likely partners. So Bop would be the most likely potential other scum in those 5.

 

 

oh you

 

 

lulz ^^^ this guy...

[bopolis]

i don't think its that hard of a game right now.
 

I have shad/hydra/eld/darthe as my top villas

 

calder/AJ are either v/v or v/w but never w/w in my opinion.

 

If calder is a wolf AJ a villa, lenlo more likely villa tiink probably a villa(because i think the way calder pushed him looks good if calder flips wolf) leaving the wolves in random/bfg/wifi/pralaya maybe NB but if AJ is a villa i'd be more trusting in his NB read

 

If AJ is a wolf, then calder a villa, tiink probably a villa(because i don't think AJ/tiink are w/w based on their back and forth from last night), NB probably a wolf because of AJ's defense of NB,  leaving wolves in lenlo/wifi/bfg/random/pralaya. 

 

and if they are both v/v then the wolves are still in random/bfg/wifi/lenlo/pralaya/tiinker

 

There are several names that keep coming up over and over again and these are the names I think should be the biggest question marks and where we should be shooting/focusing our attention.

 

A few of you express concern about if im trying to help or mislead the town. If you think that's the case then i'm fine being a sacrifice for you all. I can go play pattycake in valhalla with DPR, no problemo. If that's what you wish though just follow this.

 

im currently super hot for shooting sooh pralaya based solely on the fact that they were around on the forums throughout the end of day but never chimed in or said anything and that is a huge trigger for me.

 

hit me up with your thoughts concerns comments.

 

There may be other things people have done that look good depending on the calder/AJ flip but i forgot them, so if you think them being a wolf makes you extremely good, and you wonder why I am forgetting to mention that, pre-emptive apologies.

 

yours in bop

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Final VC:

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Vote Count

Darthe(3): NB, tiink, TRL

Calder (1): Lenlor

Sooh (1): Bewbs McGee

Aj (2): Calder, DPR

DPR (5): Darthe, bop, Shad, AJ, Wifi

Not Voting: Everyone Else

Not voting

5. Pralaya

7. Sooh

15. Eldrick4221

 

So Darthe/Calder trains were because???

Sooh is for enthusiasm/lack of content?

AJ is for pushing Tinker v Calder?

DPR was a consolidation that wasn't Darthe/unfamiliar playstyle (I know Shad posted stuff I need to check)?

 

Would appreciate it if someone can point me to a good place to start reading from, or the chief cases <3

[bopolis]

 

Final VC:

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Vote Count

Darthe(3): NB, tiink, TRL

Calder (1): Lenlor

Sooh (1): Bewbs McGee

Aj (2): Calder, DPR

DPR (5): Darthe, bop, Shad, AJ, Wifi

Not Voting: Everyone Else

Not voting

5. Pralaya

7. Sooh

15. Eldrick4221

 

So Darthe/Calder trains were because???

Sooh is for enthusiasm/lack of content?

AJ is for pushing Tinker v Calder?

DPR was a consolidation that wasn't Darthe/unfamiliar playstyle (I know Shad posted stuff I need to check)?

 

Would appreciate it if someone can point me to a good place to start reading from, or the chief cases <3

 

 

 

I would start reading form 70 onwards because i think the last couple hours of the day are interesting. If you have any questions about posts from before that quote and ask and im sure people would be happy to help

[bopolis]

77 not 70

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Thanks that sounds eminently doable :)

[bopolis]

and yeah, its not a typo,

 

if either calder/AJ are a wolf then tiink is probably a villager.

 

#associativereadsNAnumber1

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Fwiw I would guess that Sooh was following MU convention and not posting/talking about subbing once she'd requested one

[bopolis]

Fwiw I would guess that Sooh was following MU convention and not posting/talking about subbing once she'd requested one

that is fair,

 

but im just explaing why i'm more hot for sooh/pralaya at the moment than i was before the day ended.

 

also the reason i wrote "sooooooooh" as soon as the reveal was shown.

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Fwiw I would guess that Sooh was following MU convention and not posting/talking about subbing once she'd requested one

that is fair,

 

but im just explaing why i'm more hot for sooh/pralaya at the moment than i was before the day ended.

 

also the reason i wrote "sooooooooh" as soon as the reveal was shown.

 

Fair :)

 

Eldrick ending the day not voting stands out to me more than Pral, but don't have any read on them beyond that

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And I appreciate that it's not the lack of voting that you're pointing out with Pral, but him reading and not posting doesn't mean much for his alignment either

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eldrick,

 

why am i at the bottom of your list again,

 

refresh my memory,

Still bugs me that you gave a read on me based solely on post count. From comparing 2 games to this one.

 

While your reasoning for your "pushes" makes sense, I can't shake the feeling that you're just doing it to get a lynch, not to actually push them.

 

And the 'bottom' of my list is still very close to null. I have a handful of people I'm not lynching, and you aren't one of them.

 

 

So, he's the best you have for scum and yet you're not lynching him...and people called me neutral...

 

@Hallia, thoughts on Eldrick?

 

@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

 

 

Its..Its hard to say, exactly.  What do you mean by situational ethics?

 

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

 

We should not change the nature of the crime by the person who commits it.  You suggested my play was "strange" because I was too neutral...now we see the same thing in Eldrick and you're OK with it.  This is looks like Situational Ethics.  It's early so I will not vote you for it here but it's something that bears watching.

 

NB why does this bother you? Meta isn't new to this site

 

 

I take back what I said about sooh's lack of read on shad being weird. He hadn't given a read on her, which is how she bases her read on him. Not having one makes sense.

 

@Shad why did you ask her atp? You know that's how she reads you.

That's a narrow way of looking at it.

 

How Sooh reads me isn't very relevant to how I read Sooh imo.

 

Which isn't what Eldrick is asking?

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Eldrick still probably a villager p54/55. No sense that he's got an agenda. Unless he's taking a very submissive approach to wolfing this game I think he's probably just trying to figure people out.

Can you explain what you mean by submissive?

 

Page 54 is Eldrick explaining a mafia read on Bop and talking about Bop's read on Nyn and agreeing, a back and forth with AJ...

 

Eldrick's approach to Bop is probably a good look for him, sussing him for his read on eldrick, while agreeing and defending his read on Nyn looks like he's playing without filter

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lol, reading Eldrick feels like going down the rabbit hole with backtracking

 

Tabling his discussion with AJ for the moment, doesn't sound like m/m from the bit that I read

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

 

 

NB why does this bother you? Meta isn't new to this site

 

 

I take back what I said about sooh's lack of read on shad being weird. He hadn't given a read on her, which is how she bases her read on him. Not having one makes sense.

 

@Shad why did you ask her atp? You know that's how she reads you.

That's a narrow way of looking at it.

 

How Sooh reads me isn't very relevant to how I read Sooh imo.

 

Which isn't what Eldrick is asking?

 

 

Yes.  The is true.  I just think its too easily to manipulate and the last several games I'm more convinced.  Tired of seeing the same players get away with hemming and hawing around taking a position but voting off the contrarian cause he doesn't bother trying to clear himself (see DPR this game).  IMO, action speaks louder than meta.

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@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

 

 

NB why does this bother you? Meta isn't new to this site

 

 

 

I take back what I said about sooh's lack of read on shad being weird. He hadn't given a read on her, which is how she bases her read on him. Not having one makes sense.

 

@Shad why did you ask her atp? You know that's how she reads you.

That's a narrow way of looking at it.

 

How Sooh reads me isn't very relevant to how I read Sooh imo.

 

Which isn't what Eldrick is asking?

 

 

Yes.  The is true.  I just think its too easily to manipulate and the last several games I'm more convinced.  Tired of seeing the same players get away with hemming and hawing around taking a position but voting off the contrarian cause he doesn't bother trying to clear himself (see DPR this game).  IMO, action speaks louder than meta.

 

Eh, this is probably a DT discussion, but thanks for answering

 

Why were you voting Darthe?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Eh, this is probably a DT discussion, but thanks for answering

 

Why were you voting Darthe?

 

 

Cause it's easier to hunt with him off the board...also, I'm pretty sure he's teh scum.

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Eh, this is probably a DT discussion, but thanks for answering

 

Why were you voting Darthe?

 

Cause it's easier to hunt with him off the board...also, I'm pretty sure he's teh scum.

 

Why?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Eh, this is probably a DT discussion, but thanks for answering

 

Why were you voting Darthe?

 

Cause it's easier to hunt with him off the board...also, I'm pretty sure he's teh scum.

 

Why?

 

 

1. The lack of clear conviction.  He hasn't even tried to mix it up.  Just goes with the flow.
2. That ridiculous reveal.  

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Ok thanks,

 

Would guess the claim makes him self resolvable though

[Eldrick4221]

@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

I wasn't WTL anyone before I went to bed. I said as much. I was leaning no lynch.

 

My lowest reads are Sooh (now you), Lenlo , and Bop. None of them are for strong enough reasons for a vote imo.

 

Sooh because of her lack of solving and motivation. It's early and I wanted to give her time to improve.

 

Lenlo because of what I perceived to be role fishing. His explanation makes sense, but I'm still seeing it.

 

Bop because of his using my post count as a reason to Town read me. I've come to terms with his gif posts as approval of the nudges, but the read on me still bugs me.

 

 

 

I was going to check out the thread before DL and see if anything changed my desire to vote. I tried and failed to wake up before DL (and will probably continue to miss them if they are at the same time)

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Is Sooh around? Pretty sure she was eager to talk with people in real time.

Seriously.

 

I love you, Nyn, but this isn't really helping me overcome the burnout from last game and wanting to play again.

 

Give me space and let me take the time I need to get going, or don't and just vote me for not being as active as your meta of me says.

Don't get this response. Seems overly agitated.

 

Nyn's point is a good one. People are around to talk to, which is what Sooh said she wanted.

From you of all people, you don't remember last game when I had to take some time off from the game? Only difference is here I don't have a hydra partner to cover for me.

Still responding to this even though Sooh isn't here anymore, because it affects my view of Sooh/bfg slot.

 

In the last game we were under intense pressure before she stopped contributing. That didn't happen here.

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@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

I wasn't WTL anyone before I went to bed. I said as much. I was leaning no lynch.

 

My lowest reads are Sooh (now you), Lenlo , and Bop. None of them are for strong enough reasons for a vote imo.

 

Sooh because of her lack of solving and motivation. It's early and I wanted to give her time to improve.

 

Lenlo because of what I perceived to be role fishing. His explanation makes sense, but I'm still seeing it.

 

Bop because of his using my post count as a reason to Town read me. I've come to terms with his gif posts as approval of the nudges, but the read on me still bugs me.

 

 

 

I was going to check out the thread before DL and see if anything changed my desire to vote. I tried and failed to wake up before DL (and will probably continue to miss them if they are at the same time)

 

Ok, who weren't you willing to lynch?

[Eldrick4221]

Catching up and ready to be present. Some thoughts on my reading from page 46-current (in order as I go through pages):

 

The Shad / DPR stuff seems contrived. I get that DPRdoesnt want to be weighed down by meta, and support that, but his belittling of Shad's points seemed to lack much substance beyond "I'm DPR, you're not, suck it." While I appreciate the devil may care approach, whom does it serve? Not a hugely helpful town move.

 

 

 

I could be the Cleveland Browns for all I care. Towns statistically win more when villagers try to identify each other than when everyone refuses to cooperate based on the paranoia that all players have unlimited wolfing capacity.

 

 

I think I understand now... when the self-proclaimed Bradys and Mannings of Mafia tell you who the villagers are and how you are supposed to play it, you have to go along with that or they're gonna lynch you.

 

Seems legit.

 

You shitbirds are really something. I can't wait to see what greatness comes next.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment, but it almost seems overly antagonistic, which always makes me suspicious. Shad himself is playing rather similar of his last scum game, but I'm not ready to vote or strongly suss on that alone.

 

Nyn is my favorite person to read in mafia, content wise. I have zero meta on her, but she's ridiculously balanced. Null lean right now though.

 

Third game in a row with Darthe - he's playing his D1 game identically. While this in itself isn't enough to firmly label him either way for me, this type of play cost town the game the first time, and masked his wolf game in Hackers. I know he'll say he's not getting lynched D1, but I'm ready to hear how he intends to contribute to a town victory?

 

Sooh, I feel is getting the benefit of the doubt she screamed for in hackers, and I'm getting a town vibe there.

 

As such, I advocate we lynch Tiink today, Lenlo tomorrow, and me and Darthe will Eiffel tower Random to death to end the game.

I uh.... either I don't understand this, or I do and am both disturbed and somewhat flattered.

 

Calder is on his town game so far IMO.

 

Also, DPR, I understand where you're coming from irt Eldrick, in vacuum. Especially knowing this is your first game with him (and this is precisely why I asked early on). The problem with him though is that you can basically always find these gaping logic holes in his posts, regardless of alignment. He says the most atrocious things. Because that's how he plays, for better or worse. I could easily sit here and critique it every single game with him...and policy lynch him for it.... but at some point I decided it's a waste of time and that I'm more interested in winning instead of telling him off, because I don't think he's going to change the way he plays. So I'm more.... lets say forgiving... at his proclivity of saying stuff that make me want to rip my hair off. And in a way... it feels like the more awful he sounds the more likely it is that he's town prolly. Because he has like no filter. With that said, I did find him taking off cause of cloudflare when AJ called him sketchy a bit awkward like... so I'll keep it in mind. I also wanna see what Hallia thinks once she catches up today.

 

On a semi related note, what are your thoughts on Wifi?

 

I like this response to DPR, as well as the point about Eldrick.

 

You're kinda sketching me out Eldrick.

Shouldnt be. He is saying dumb things but not pointedly wolfy

Exactly what I mean about Darthe.

 

I don't know Bop, but I get very suspicious when I see someone talking mechanics D1 like this:

 

I am not hunting for just a 3rd party. I am saying Calder is very reminiscent of Gods and Demons, where he was a cult leader/wolf. That means he is not town. I want to lynch not town. After ALL THAT I said I think he may be 3rd party. Even if I didnt think he was third party, I would still be down to lynch him.

 

So there are reasons that do involve prior games with Calder. And yes, 3rd parties are dangerous. I dont see why this is an issue for anyone that knows my experience with 3rd parties. #AlwaysLynchSurvivors

 

i don't know about this forum, but on several other sites i've played on, it is not uncommon for wolves to hunt for third parties because in hunting for them they can try to replicate their villager game and get by more. Though how one actually hunts for third parties, beats me. They usually say something about so and so could be a third party and it is a bit of a trigger especially early on in games.

 

so i can see why it may be concerning

It comes across like you're already trying to use some type of gambit proposal to set up a future play you'll make, or as away to try and take focus from sniffing out wolves and creating setup WIFOM. "Well, in this setup on most forums, scum would do this." That may not be your conclusion, but it's how that reads to me.

 

 

 

 

2. wrong. My question to DPR is why he thinks dricky is nervous not why he is voting for him. Big difference.

DPR says in the post you quoted "Beat me to it. I've never played with Eldrick and don't know a thing about his meta, but whenever anybody posts fluff and then goes back to explain why they posted fluff, it trips me. I also am not a big fan of meta-based cases in general. Anyone can change up a play style and equally, anyone can be having a day where they are distracted and post differently than they would."

When reading DPR's quote this would be the anwser to why he's reading DPR as nervous. DPR can chime in and if im mistaken then i concede that i was wrong about this point.

You're mistaken - no one is reading me as nervous. We await your concession.

Hey bop how do you feel about the thread atm? I know that's vague, I'm mostly interested in your thoughts on players developing fast relationships with you despite you being new.

I had to pick this post up with a plastic bag and then hold it with my forefinger and thumb before I dropped it n the trash.

There's a difference between "developing fast relationships" and systematically putting yourself into the orbit of every discussion so that you can sway opinions. Could be a scum tell, could be townie swagger - we'll know soon enough - but you asking nicely about how bop "feels" and then setting up a forum from which he can spread his gospel is diiiiiirrrrrty.

FOS Darther & bop.

Guys not gonna lie this post has me panicking, idk how to handle DPRs super strong FoS

Darthe and DPR on wolf team together, perhaps? Even jokingly, I don't see Darthe as any type of panicker.

 

For everyone else: I'm seeing a few things that don't mean much on D1 but could be telling depending on D1 lynch, flips etc. I don't see anything other than what I've listed worth voting over yet, so based on that:

 

[v] Darthe[/v]

Ok. Vote trimming has failed me. Quoting the whole thing.

 

I disagree that this post was scummy. While obviously wrong, I think it was a decent observation. I haven't seen Darthe even pretend to be panicky either. I picked up on it being sarcasm, but noticing it as possible link wasn't a bad move on his part imo.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

@Eldrick, who were you willing to lynch? Why weren't you voting?

I wasn't WTL anyone before I went to bed. I said as much. I was leaning no lynch.

 

My lowest reads are Sooh (now you), Lenlo , and Bop. None of them are for strong enough reasons for a vote imo.

 

Sooh because of her lack of solving and motivation. It's early and I wanted to give her time to improve.

 

Lenlo because of what I perceived to be role fishing. His explanation makes sense, but I'm still seeing it.

 

Bop because of his using my post count as a reason to Town read me. I've come to terms with his gif posts as approval of the nudges, but the read on me still bugs me.

 

 

 

I was going to check out the thread before DL and see if anything changed my desire to vote. I tried and failed to wake up before DL (and will probably continue to miss them if they are at the same time)

Ok, who weren't you willing to lynch?

AJ, Shad, bewbs, pral

 

Still am not.

 

Adding Darthe to that list because of the claim.