Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Zander?]

 

Pral whats your read on Cass and why?

Not this again :|

 

Pretty much everyone had asked and I have pointed my response to that around 5 times already

 

 

 

a) As i said before, monstr's emotional posting makes methink he was town

b) i don't see scum Cass actively suspecting random when he revealed shad as scum. Shad himself had given up. Why would she fight it? In this situation, scum would pile up on shad for townie points

 

You said you dont think Monstr would AtE as Scum, the link Sooh provided shows differently, that he does use AtE as Scum.

 

And your reason for Cass alone was that you think she'd pile on Shad for Town points, well she did hammer him so again...

 

Why do you have them as Town?!!?!?!?

[Zander?]

 

 

Yey! Read to here (872) \o/ ( :P NotBob, :P )

 

Can pull specific quotes/explain points further later if required but random mobile thoughts:

 

Don't think I see Nyn reacting the way she did/to that extent as Scum.

 

Shad commenting on Zander's general level of participation but not voting him on it (yet) is Towny imo.

 

Interested to see Zander's reaction and effort from here. He still feels lacklustre at present and I associate that more with Wolf Z in a team he can't get hyped about (ZANDER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) but early direct pressure isn't the way you figure him out imo.

 

Eldrick's comment on keys to reading Zander is spot on imo. Trying hard to be objective about points of tinfoil this game and don't actually have Eldrick leaning scum aorn. He's less slimy in feels then I recall from scum games of his. Watching Sooh.

 

Calder and Random's response to Eldrick's Zander comment felt off. Calder because it's the reverse of my Zander understanding, Random because how could he agree if he's never played with Zander Scum?

 

No idea on Darthe. Not someone I want to D1 lynch.

 

NotBob is the same boat.

 

Don't know Amega but [v]Amegakure[/v] Please come play!

 

Pral - there's a tonne of spam in catch up, not as horrifying as it first looks. Thoughts?

 

GTH aorn Zander/Amega/Calder/Random pinging most

 

 

 

Also lol Meow, Jelly, and Shad's unexplained read of Sooh 'not' being picked on XD

 

This makes me think Amega/BFG prolly villa as well

 

@Cass, can you explain why Amega was pinging?

 

 

Did you find it awkward she voted Amega first then built the only case she made in the game on a person with 5 fluff posts using Meta from a player that hardly plays anymore?!?!?!?!?!

[BFG]

I don't understand where Nyn's irritation comes from (page 25)

 

As mafia in FF she got irritated with me for questioning her work ethic, so I can't say that human emotion is outside her scum range, but I don't understand in this case why she was irritated.

 

Probably going to chalk this as null, but liked Dice in thread earlier so lol!me?

 

 

Also don't know what to make of Manbat through this, he's more rational/less emotional(?) than I would expect for town!Manbat, but more excited early game than I'd expect from mafia!Manbat

[Zander?]

 

 

other lynches  shad pral darthe

 

shads just not talking the way im used to. Granted i sux at reading him.

 

pral  inactive but not doing the things i expect from pral when he is here

 

darthe because he annoyed me.

 

i DO have a bit of a thought to lynch between sock nb and calder just to try and sort that argument out but that would probably get messy and i dont know that theres enuff info re nb and calder to allow us to make a decision that has a good chance of being right

Looking for that quote for you, dice. Your description is vague, but working with it as I can.

 

This is before Notbob died, but is a WTL. Ring any bells?

 

 

yep thats the quote i made

 

 

 

darthe im biased on  after last game i want him dead at F4 on sheer principle. and to be honest im kinda stuck there

 

cass   i had monster as town. i dont think cass has done anything scummy but my batting ave for reading cass right is 0.00000

 

 

right now sock is giving me fits

 

and if i find the post i think i remember im voting pral soon

 

 

i cant find the stupid thing but my guts screaming at me about it. 

 

vote pral

 

I dont understand why youre voting Pral

[BFG]

 

<snip>

 

@Cass, can you explain why Amega was pinging?

 

Did you find it awkward she voted Amega first then built the only case she made in the game on a person with 5 fluff posts using Meta from a player that hardly plays anymore?!?!?!?!?!

 

I haven't read Cass's case yet and haven't reached her sub entrance yet (just saw this cos you quoted it). I find it strange that she votes the one ping that she doesn't explain in the post, but want to see what she says

[Zander?]

its still contadictory.

 

 

<< is stubborn

 

You asleep yet....!?!?!!?!?!?!?......

[Zander?]

 

Monstrman hot take

 

Zander eldrick is v/v

 

#notthathotofahottakecausethegamehasbarelystarted

wouldn't have been comfortable stating anything stronger than a town side of null on Eldrick at this point, but I don't dislike this from Manbat

 

Not sure what to make of the fact it's page 18 and I don't have anything I'd even call a lean at this point

 

 

The difference is TMI imo

[Zander?]

 

I'm scared of calling shad a villager but I'm going to anyway

If Manbat/Cass are mafia I think this (and his preceding posts) spews Eldrick/Zander as town

 

 

Its funny Cass didnt even really reevaluate Monstr's Shad read, she just kept going with it.

[Zander?]

Zander, Just stop.

 

I'm working on thoughts.

 

You're wrong. I was in completely different mindset for the past couple of games.

 

Go look at the last game I played on MU my most recent game - Thanksgiving Turbo or whatever. Vanilla Town. Same schtick as the last few days for me. If you can't find the link I'll pull it after. And if you want to see how particularly crap it is, read the actual game and dead thread. I can understand your paranoia to here. Shut up and see what I have to say <3

 

 

 

And then reply, and let me decide if you're a wolf :P

 

 

 

I know you dont honestly believe im gonna even CONSIDER using a TURBO to base Meta from....

 

You KNOW how I feel about Turbo's,,,,

 

But even if this was to someone else Turbo's obv not ANYTHING like a regular game besides voting people imo.

[Zander?]

I don't understand where Nyn's irritation comes from (page 25)

 

As mafia in FF she got irritated with me for questioning her work ethic, so I can't say that human emotion is outside her scum range, but I don't understand in this case why she was irritated.

 

Probably going to chalk this as null, but liked Dice in thread earlier so lol!me?

 

 

Also don't know what to make of Manbat through this, he's more rational/less emotional(?) than I would expect for town!Manbat, but more excited early game than I'd expect from mafia!Manbat

 

IRT Nyn, do you feel her irritation with you was similar to the irritation with Monstr?!?!?!

 

And irt work ethic i have and will always jump over anyone as either alignment who questions my work ethic but thats just me.

 

Blue- This 100000%

 

Red- Early D1 excitement is easy to fake as Scum specially for ENFP's.imo

[BFG]

 

<snip>

Posts like these are why I have shad as a villager and not just cause he's defending me

 

He made a similar post about eldrick that came to many conclusions I had as well and he seems to be acting as a voice of reason

 

Also I am always on my phone on DM so I can't quote really unless it's there and I barely reread

 

My computer is almost gone forever anyway

 

Does anyone know how many games Shad/Manbat have played together? Particularly mafia!Shad games?

[Zander?]

 

 

<snip>

 

@Cass, can you explain why Amega was pinging?

 

Did you find it awkward she voted Amega first then built the only case she made in the game on a person with 5 fluff posts using Meta from a player that hardly plays anymore?!?!?!?!?!

 

I haven't read Cass's case yet and haven't reached her sub entrance yet (just saw this cos you quoted it). I find it strange that she votes the one ping that she doesn't explain in the post, but want to see what she says

 

 

ya lmk when youre caught up please!!!!

 

Also liking your posts thus far fwiw.

[Zander?]

 

 

<snip>

Posts like these are why I have shad as a villager and not just cause he's defending me

 

He made a similar post about eldrick that came to many conclusions I had as well and he seems to be acting as a voice of reason

 

Also I am always on my phone on DM so I can't quote really unless it's there and I barely reread

 

My computer is almost gone forever anyway

 

Does anyone know how many games Shad/Manbat have played together? Particularly mafia!Shad games?

 

 

not sure but i hear this awesome but scummy af dude created a database with all kinds of yummy DM Mafia history and info

 

lololololol

[Zander?]

@ BFG

 

Ill scan the database some and see what i can find irt Scum!Shad/Monstr

 

You get caught up if you can and maybe fire out a reads list with reasoning please!!!!!!!

[Cass]

Ok. Stepped away from my NEED TO SOLVE ZANDER (AND THEN LDO THE ENTIRE GAME) to move on. I'm too conflicted on him right now.

 

Moved to BFG ISO. Thoughts came in.

 

Feel less lost in circles and my pep is returning. Apologies for the fizz. Aiming for an approach of healthy rather than rampant paranoia from here.

 

 

 

Deal with it Zander

 

 

 

Ok, I've read maybe 60% of the thread

Marsh
Random

Sock
Zander

Pral

Cass
Darthe
Dice

I can't necessarily explain any of them very well

Sooh is outside the mafia range I have for her, but that's difficult to judge fairly as they've been under pressure for most of the game and it's messing up my read. Eldrick seems to have no filter, but I'd have to look through old games to see if that means anything

Zander's paranoia looks good for him

I think if Pral/Shad were m/m that Pral would have voted with his read Day 1

I remember a lot of questions from Cass but no opinions? I don't remember much from Dice or Darthe outside their pushes on Zander/Sock

 

 

First content post. (Posts to here were happy in tone and a breath of fresh air to my brain. Intros, smilies etc). They're objectively null.

 

No real problems with this at present.  Bold above highlighted as additional stuff that goes either way. 

 

 

 

Sock

- What is the mafia range you have for Sooh, how was she outside it at this point, how does the pressure they've received mess up the read?

- What, if anything, has changed from then til now? 

 

 

Sooh

Already highlighted the Calder-quote thing. 

 

Found it possi-scummy reading it initially. Find it scummy on deliberate re-read. 

 

Biggest sticking point on the handling of it is the way she almost simultaneously dropped it and maintained - with attitude- that she wouldn't accept Calder's explanation for the way it appeared. I see no genuine Towny motivation for this given the way the situation unfolded. 

 

The fact that I repeated the experiment and got the same result as Calder puts more focus on WHAT Sooh actually said during the whole thing. 

 

I do not understand her argument, or what she was saying she thought Calder had done. She simply said/repeated that you would get the same results if you copy QTs. My current take on this is HELL NO. 

There should be more discussion about this if there hasn't been already. 

 

It alone is enough for me to vote them this phase, but I'm not going to until close to deadline. I'm advocating we use all the time we have to pull together.

 

Call for more time before Shad's lynch was objectively the Towniest thing I remember from her, regardless of her alignment. It would have benefited Town to hash out everything like the above and be more across things. 

 

I think any 'scum want to use this time' comments would probably be related to fearmongering. Can't remember who said them?  

 

Sooh's call to use the time itself got labelled null, and the 'why do I even bother' type posts read scum to me for possibly deliberate defeatist attitude. 

Is vocal frustration like this alignment indicative for Sooh?

 

She sheeps Pral on a (undeciphered) comment they don't think I'd defend Shad if WW coming into the thread D2. Is this likely Towny consideration, or TMI?

 

 

Eldrick's pushes at me read scum to me. Something also feels off about him understanding everything from my perspective until I posted a serious push.

 

 

Shad had the slot Town early on too, but was hedgey with it - effectively split his read as Sooh Town, Eldrick probably Town but occasional ?  Could be setting them up or giving himself leeway to get around them. I lean toward leeway given the above.

 

 

Zander

- I am split on whether it's Town or Scum Zander paranoia from ISO. To early to tell if you're easy-reading him but the thought is there. There were moments in his ISO where I went YES! to what he's thinking but there are times where I go    at the way he says/approaches it and historically that has meant he's scum. Concerns for me are wording type stuff and that he occasionally comes across as placating in places TownZander might not. The bits I remember standing out include interactions with Shad and Pral and Darthe and I mostly, IIRC.  I mostly skipped setup-discussion stuff. When we hydra'd he generally had a better understanding than me for setup but he missed the fact the BPV we received was only 25%. I've done worse as Town. Put that as null.

 

 

Pral

I like it in general, can't remember it in context - sticking point is that Pral himself mentioned in defence against Zander after Shad flip that he's more cautious with his bussing when people who know his meta are around. He quoted Sooh for reference. Sets off alarm bells for me wrt Zander-him. Can't tell yet if it's valid. 

 

 

Darthe

Biggest concern with Darthe, as ever, is this game I'm reading his non-committal involvement overlayed with Town cheer as false and that it's talk that looks towny on a shallow level but lacks active Town action/leadership on a deeper one. Spooks me out with the Sooh vote. 

 

Dice I haven't looked at specifically over anything. The only things I noticed he mentioned wanting to post a gif for me at some point and hedging that he reads me 0000000%   for gif comment is only reaction.

 

 

Yey thoughts! 

[Zander?]

 

 

<snip>

Posts like these are why I have shad as a villager and not just cause he's defending me

 

He made a similar post about eldrick that came to many conclusions I had as well and he seems to be acting as a voice of reason

 

Also I am always on my phone on DM so I can't quote really unless it's there and I barely reread

 

My computer is almost gone forever anyway

 

Does anyone know how many games Shad/Manbat have played together? Particularly mafia!Shad games?

 

 

The correct answer is 0 games here where Shad was Scum that Monstr played in.

 

Didnt check for Town!Shad ones.

[BFG]

 

<snip>

 

IRT Nyn, do you feel her irritation with you was similar to the irritation with Monstr?!?!?!

 

And irt work ethic i have and will always jump over anyone as either alignment who questions my work ethic but thats just me.

 

Blue- This 100000%

 

Red- Early D1 excitement is easy to fake as Scum specially for ENFP's.imo

 

difficult to say with Nyn. I think her irritation with me last game was faked, given she apologised in their mafia QT, but it read as genuine to me, so I don't know how to read it this time. Manbat accused her of having no fire, she agreed with him although said it was because of early game stuff, she seemed angry with him for saying she was trying to pocket him but???

 

it makes no 'logical' sense to me either way, but logical probably isn't the way to read this

[BFG]

 

 

 

<snip>

Posts like these are why I have shad as a villager and not just cause he's defending me

 

He made a similar post about eldrick that came to many conclusions I had as well and he seems to be acting as a voice of reason

 

Also I am always on my phone on DM so I can't quote really unless it's there and I barely reread

 

My computer is almost gone forever anyway

 

Does anyone know how many games Shad/Manbat have played together? Particularly mafia!Shad games?

 

 

The correct answer is 0 games here where Shad was Scum that Monstr played in.

 

Didnt check for Town!Shad ones.

 

Ok thanks, do you know if they've played off site outside of Spooooooky mafia?

 

Probably nothing, but reading Shad because he's 'sensible' generally isn't the way to go, but not sure that's meta Manbat has

[Cass]

 

I don't understand where Nyn's irritation comes from (page 25)

 

As mafia in FF she got irritated with me for questioning her work ethic, so I can't say that human emotion is outside her scum range, but I don't understand in this case why she was irritated.

 

Probably going to chalk this as null, but liked Dice in thread earlier so lol!me?

 

 

Also don't know what to make of Manbat through this, he's more rational/less emotional(?) than I would expect for town!Manbat, but more excited early game than I'd expect from mafia!Manbat

 

IRT Nyn, do you feel her irritation with you was similar to the irritation with Monstr?!?!?!

 

And irt work ethic i have and will always jump over anyone as either alignment who questions my work ethic but thats just me.

 

Blue- This 100000%

 

Red- Early D1 excitement is easy to fake as Scum specially for ENFP's.imo

 

 

I understand/read it Town Nyn rather than null fwiw. 

How long was the go she ahd at you in FF? Imo/experience watching her it makes perfect sense to me that it was more a Town reaction, especially early in the game, and especially since she was really worked up about it/not letting it go. She picks more fights as Town when she feels restricted/like someone's telling her what to do. Monstr coming in with the idea that he had a 'better' way to play would've irked her right off as Town, less so as mafia since imo you're already accustomed to the idea of being somewhat restricted.

 

Monstr's thing was Towny btw. 

 

WRT Zander's bold, this is incredibly true. But so is the fact that regardless of alignment we naturally tend to get all hyped up at the beginning of things, and then come down to focus. Look at me in any game. Monstr's also different Zander. ENFP have traits, but it's not be-all-and-end-all

 

[EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE ENFPGOATING!!!!!!!!]

[Cass]

 

 

 

<snip>

Posts like these are why I have shad as a villager and not just cause he's defending me

 

He made a similar post about eldrick that came to many conclusions I had as well and he seems to be acting as a voice of reason

 

Also I am always on my phone on DM so I can't quote really unless it's there and I barely reread

 

My computer is almost gone forever anyway

 

Does anyone know how many games Shad/Manbat have played together? Particularly mafia!Shad games?

 

 

The correct answer is 0 games here where Shad was Scum that Monstr played in.

 

Didnt check for Town!Shad ones.

 

 

What are you thinking BFG?

[Zander?]

 

 

I don't understand where Nyn's irritation comes from (page 25)

 

As mafia in FF she got irritated with me for questioning her work ethic, so I can't say that human emotion is outside her scum range, but I don't understand in this case why she was irritated.

 

Probably going to chalk this as null, but liked Dice in thread earlier so lol!me?

 

 

Also don't know what to make of Manbat through this, he's more rational/less emotional(?) than I would expect for town!Manbat, but more excited early game than I'd expect from mafia!Manbat

 

IRT Nyn, do you feel her irritation with you was similar to the irritation with Monstr?!?!?!

 

And irt work ethic i have and will always jump over anyone as either alignment who questions my work ethic but thats just me.

 

Blue- This 100000%

 

Red- Early D1 excitement is easy to fake as Scum specially for ENFP's.imo

 

 

I understand/read it Town Nyn rather than null fwiw. 

How long was the go she ahd at you in FF? Imo/experience watching her it makes perfect sense to me that it was more a Town reaction, especially early in the game, and especially since she was really worked up about it/not letting it go. She picks more fights as Town when she feels restricted/like someone's telling her what to do. Monstr coming in with the idea that he had a 'better' way to play would've irked her right off as Town, less so as mafia since imo you're already accustomed to the idea of being somewhat restricted.

 

Monstr's thing was Towny btw. 

 

WRT Zander's bold, this is incredibly true. But so is the fact that regardless of alignment we naturally tend to get all hyped up at the beginning of things, and then come down to focus. Look at me in any game. Monstr's also different Zander. ENFP have traits, but it's not be-all-and-end-all

 

[EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE ENFPGOATING!!!!!!!!]

 

 

[Cass]

 

Ok thanks, do you know if they've played off site outside of Spooooooky mafia?

 

Probably nothing, but reading Shad because he's 'sensible' generally isn't the way to go, but not sure that's meta Manbat has

 

 

Another side of it even if you can't trust my word for it.  Monstr's D1 is different to Z and I imo. He's more logical-but-friendly. Z and I are HYPER AND CRAYONS

[Cass]

Ily Zander    

 

Not a wolf though 

[Cass]

Also, Nyn had a REALLY bad day that day with issues in another game too.

[Zander?]

Ily Zander    

 

Not a wolf though 

 

As long as you know that I know youre a Wolf its all good

 

And no matter what i always love you too CassGOATENFPMUSICTWONHYDRAFRAND!!!!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3