OK so who killed this guy?

[Graendals favourite]

Even one of those ballet dancer leaps will not get you into the room, having pulled the door open. It would probably take three steps. But one step, was said.

[Graendals favourite]

So if he didn't get to the room, only took one step after opening the door -- that is enough only to see and recognise someone inside-- then how could it happen?

 

I'll go ahead and tell you. It could happen if the someone was stalking him, with the intent to kill if possible. And able to Travel to that spot, minimising the chance of failure. If one wanted to kill someone without an especial drive to do so, kudos, you just did it the best way you could. Granted, I always thought Mesaana or Semirhage could have done it too, but they were barely introduced, whilst Graendal was in the game so to speak.

[Graendals favourite]

Graendal would have, by reputation, killed a number of the Chosen during the War of the Shadow, but she was not like Lanfear, to have great animosity toward any one person, or like Moghedien, to take great grievance on insults.

[Graendals favourite]

She killed him because he could give info on her to Rand.

[Sabio]

Strange, I opened a door and took one step and I was through the doorway.  Seriously go to a door, open it and take a step.  Unless you have leaned forward three feet to open it, the step puts you through the doorway.  You aren't far into the room, but you can make it past the doorway.

 

Your theory also negelcts the one big thing, the where he was killed also made it impossible for the DO to bring him back.  RJ said it was how and where.  If he was simply killed in the room, where wouldn't come into play.

 

Asmo was killed becuase he betrayed the DO, I'm sure al lthe forsaken were told to try and kill him.  The opportunity by chance came up, so she did it,  She wasn't stalking him, she would of had to of been using the MOM to wander around Rands group to follow him  or somehow find a way to get exact to the second reports on his location.  Such precise and accurate to the second information to allow her to gaetway in a room he was going to open.  If she was using the MOM and following him there would of been no reason to gateway in front of him, she could of balefired him in the back as soon as he was out of sight.  There would be no way for a spy to get reports to Graendal that quickly.  Again since no one knew where he was going, no one could of told her so she could prepare an ambush that quickly.  It wasn't planned. He didn't announce he was going to try and find the pantry, or that he didn't know where the pantry was so he would be opening random doors to try and get there.  A prepared ambush in that exact room would of been impossible.

[Graendals favourite]

Are you serious. I'm gonna adress this paragraph by paragraph.

 

You pull a door open. Where are you. The swinging door has you at door's lenght. The door is longer than a stride. That is simple.

 

When I thought of this RJ hadn't yet said that. It wasn't part of the puzzle. Sure there must still be a reason why, and I've expounded on that, mainly the Dark One could not have brought him back because he wasn't looking at the cupboard where he was killed, Graendal by happenstance was crafty enough.

 

You Believe Asmo was killed for that reason, doesn't mean it was so. I choose to hammer a nail, no reason it was for a reason you knew.

 

Ok, fourth paragraph. If she would have Balefired him on the spot as you say, that's bad battle tactics, she could miss. And you are exactly correct, it is impossible for anyone, anywhere, to have done that without Travelling. The only way it happened was, person saw Asmo approaching the door, boom, she went beyond the door, he opened it, and whack. That's how it happened. No other way.

 

That just happened to prove it was Graendal.

[Graendals favourite]

Sorry my language is not graceful, all too easily I remember all the debates.

[Graendals favourite]

On the last you make the mistake of thinking Killing Asmodean was some sort of priority for Graendal. She would have done that purely because she had the chance, and extrapoliting a bit, the means. It is slightly strange how Asmodean decided to leave the garden, they not appreciate his music, possibly some compulsion. Cannot be proven or disproven. Anyway, She really would have wanted to know what happened there that day.

[Sabio]

Right, so you are saying to kill him, she didn't just balefire him, but saw him and used a gateway to go into the room right before he went in?  Instead of just bammmm with balefire.  The DO can find a soul unless as he said "it's outside of time".  RJ said how and where.  If he was simply killed in the room, there would be no where.

 

As for opening the door, I think you are reading too much into it.  I mean now we have to discuss does the door open towards Asmo or away from him.

[Graendals favourite]

My experience with RJ is that one never really reads too much into it. It always means exactly what it says.

[wotfan4472]

The big question is why would Shaidar Haran lump his death with Aran'gar and Mesaana?? Was it that the Shadow realised after he was dead that he could have ensured the DO's victory in some way?? Moridin also has a moment like this. That he could have used Asmodean in some way.

[Kesiera_Sedai]

The big question is why would Shaidar Haran lump his death with Aran'gar and Mesaana?? Was it that the Shadow realised after he was dead that he could have ensured the DO's victory in some way?? Moridin also has a moment like this. That he could have used Asmodean in some way.

[Kesiera_Sedai]

I think Shaidar Hara just lumped their deaths together just for the sake of saying, "look, I've been letting things slide, but you're getting out of hand.."