[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Lizabeth]

Okay so I believe Liz holstered her kill then came in here today looking to take advantage of the fact (from what she started out with, I expect she wanted to fake a save or a block on Pral or smth). Then she realized it wouldn't check out.

 

I also believe she holstered here cause she wouldn't want to kill Nyn (Nyn seemed to go along with her just fine, also, she wouldn't trust me/Pral to lanch one another, Pral flat out stated I was a villager and I'm a wildcard) and killing someone else would just give the game away (why not kill the person universally townread).

 

I think she made a mistake there, she should just have killed me and see what's up.

 

Now we can lynch her or we can do a no lynch and see what happens tonight.

Umm, no. But this theory is making me wonder about you....

 

We're not doing a no lynch

[csarmi]

@Liz - Sooh was going down because Cory was going after her and so was BFG. No way that wasn't happening.

 

Pro tip: next game ust kill them.

[Lizabeth]

Mafia having an extra vig kill N1 is not completely unheard of. Unless one of us is an SK or some sort of weird sh#t going on, that's what must have happened.

You think there's an SK survivor, two mafia in a standard game?

[Nynaeve]

@Nyn - I do suggest that you read through the game, or at least the Cory/Liz part if you can. Neighbours.

 

Are you talking about Cory's read on her throughout the game? cause I'm aware of it.

[csarmi]

 

Don't forget that Liz was in a neighbour QT with Cory. She had to play two games at once. That's a game changer.

 

And you think that's reason enough for her and Sooh to be going at each other? I don't see how.

 

Liz is partially controlled by the QT appearances with Cory. My guess is Liz saw that Cory was very much anti-Sooh from the beginning and this was their idea of damage control in case he got his way eventually.

[csarmi]

 

Mafia having an extra vig kill N1 is not completely unheard of. Unless one of us is an SK or some sort of weird sh#t going on, that's what must have happened.

You think there's an SK survivor, two mafia in a standard game?

 

No, not really. I think it's just 2 wolves and they had a double kill on N1.

[Lizabeth]

@Liz - Sooh was going down because Cory was going after her and so was BFG. No way that wasn't happening.

 

Pro tip: next game ust kill them.

Umm, no. That's ridiculous. Cory didn't even stick to Sooh's lynch, he was voting all over the place that day. I followed him over to your wagon just to build up some momentum and I went back to the Sooh wagon when he was still waffling all over the place.

 

BFG was trying to build a wagon on Kat and I stuck to the Sooh wagon. You and pral were absolutely adamant from D1 that her progression on Darthe couldn't possibly in any universe be a scum progression. So in what universe does that make her lynch inevitable?

[csarmi]

 

 

Mafia having an extra vig kill N1 is not completely unheard of. Unless one of us is an SK or some sort of weird sh#t going on, that's what must have happened.

You think there's an SK survivor, two mafia in a standard game?

 

No, not really. I think it's just 2 wolves and they had a double kill on N1.

 

but I won't be sure until you flip wolf, neighbour, 1-shot vigilante

 

sounds ridiculous TBH.

[csarmi]

 

@Liz - Sooh was going down because Cory was going after her and so was BFG. No way that wasn't happening.

 

Pro tip: next game ust kill them.

Umm, no. That's ridiculous. Cory didn't even stick to Sooh's lynch, he was voting all over the place that day. I followed him over to your wagon just to build up some momentum and I went back to the Sooh wagon when he was still waffling all over the place.

 

BFG was trying to build a wagon on Kat and I stuck to the Sooh wagon. You and pral were absolutely adamant from D1 that her progression on Darthe couldn't possibly in any universe be a scum progression. So in what universe does that make her lynch inevitable?

 

yea you followed Cory cause that was your chance at a mislynch

 

and yes it was inevitable

[Lizabeth]

Nyn, give me some perspective on Csarmi here. Is he being intentionally or unintentionally illogical?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

Mafia having an extra vig kill N1 is not completely unheard of. Unless one of us is an SK or some sort of weird sh#t going on, that's what must have happened.

You think there's an SK survivor, two mafia in a standard game?

 

No, not really. I think it's just 2 wolves and they had a double kill on N1.

 

but I won't be sure until you flip wolf, neighbour, 1-shot vigilante

 

sounds ridiculous TBH.

 

It is ridiculous. I'm just a neighbour.

 

Why do you think I wanted people to claim?

[csarmi]

When was mafia a logical game?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

@Liz - Sooh was going down because Cory was going after her and so was BFG. No way that wasn't happening.

 

Pro tip: next game ust kill them.

Umm, no. That's ridiculous. Cory didn't even stick to Sooh's lynch, he was voting all over the place that day. I followed him over to your wagon just to build up some momentum and I went back to the Sooh wagon when he was still waffling all over the place.

 

BFG was trying to build a wagon on Kat and I stuck to the Sooh wagon. You and pral were absolutely adamant from D1 that her progression on Darthe couldn't possibly in any universe be a scum progression. So in what universe does that make her lynch inevitable?

 

yea you followed Cory cause that was your chance at a mislynch

 

and yes it was inevitable

 

If it was my chance at mislynch, why wouldn't i follow it through. And why wouldn't I have taken the opportunity to join the Kat train when she was ahead of Sooh at one point?

 

 

Yeah, this is intentional.

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

[Lizabeth]

When was mafia a logical game?

When you claimed it was illogical for Sooh to have the progression she had on Darthe and no wolf would ever play that illogically? Remember that?

[Nynaeve]

and yes it was inevitable

 

Don't really agree with this. You could call Kat's lynch on D3 inevitable, but not the lynch on D2. BFG was pretty vocal about going Kat or Sooh. You and Pral had a town lean on Sooh. Cory was jumping around. Hell, if I recall Sooh didn't even show up to vote her counter wagon. It could have gone either way. 

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, give me some perspective on Csarmi here. Is he being intentionally or unintentionally illogical?

 

I can confirm that he's not making sense to me, but that's nothing new. At the same time, I feel like Pral might be leaning on his arguments. That's what on my mind right now. I also don't like that Pral was around and didn't claim.

[Nynaeve]

When was mafia a logical game?

 

O_o

[Lizabeth]

 

 

Don't forget that Liz was in a neighbour QT with Cory. She had to play two games at once. That's a game changer.

 

And you think that's reason enough for her and Sooh to be going at each other? I don't see how.

 

Liz is partially controlled by the QT appearances with Cory. My guess is Liz saw that Cory was very much anti-Sooh from the beginning and this was their idea of damage control in case he got his way eventually.

 

Yeah, no. That's not what happened and I don't know where you got that form.

 

What happened is that we spent most of the time fighting. Cory didn't share any of his reads with me other than the bit he also posted in the thread after I asked him about how to read Darthe.

 

Before D2 I made an attempt to actually collaborate by posting my thoughts from the day before. And as you're ignoring me from what I said before, the part I said about Sooh - from my originally theory about Sooh/Ironeyes vs. Alanna someone else - was what I posted to Cory before the start of day and he never really responded to.

 

Cory was waffling on Sooh enough at the end of D1 and he continued to waffle on her on D2. It wasn't until I pushed him to start actually considering the bigger picture that he went back and did his isos and came back more settled on Sooh. When I pushed him I clearly stated that I thought Sooh was scum but I felt the way he was pushign her was unprodcutive. That seems like a really dumb thing for me to do if she's my partner.

[Lizabeth]

 

Nyn, give me some perspective on Csarmi here. Is he being intentionally or unintentionally illogical?

 

I can confirm that he's not making sense to me, but that's nothing new. At the same time, I feel like Pral might be leaning on his arguments. That's what on my mind right now. I also don't like that Pral was around and didn't claim.

 

That's what I was seeing earlier - Pral always following Csarmi's arguments.

 

But this is starting to feel to me like Csarmi setting things up to ensure me as the patsy. I expected to be the patsy today, but I didn't expect it to be pushed by Csarmi...

[Nynaeve]

I have to think

[csarmi]

damn I started caring

 

whatever

[Lizabeth]

 

Nyn, when you come back tell me this - are Pral and Csarmi equally likely to be genuinely reading the thread illogically? Or would you expect one to be paying more attention to the details than the other?

 

And for now [v]unovote[/v] because I know my annoyance is probably part of this...

[csarmi]

 

When was mafia a logical game?

 

O_o

 

well it wasn't ever a logical game

but I am making sense here

[Lizabeth]

 

 

When was mafia a logical game?

 

O_o

 

well it wasn't ever a logical game

but I am making sense here

 

No you're not.

 

You're trying to say that you're making more sense than Nyn and BFG who both explained why it made no sense for me to be scum with Sooh?

[csarmi]

MEH